Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 It was no joke; he did it.Ron

On Friday, January 7, 2022, 09:49:53 PM CST, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
I hope this is more joke than not. The drinkable alcohol is very poor 
protection against freezing and provides great environment for growing mold and 
bacteria. Possibly, if you use the pure spirit (at 94%, i.e., 190 proof) it 
would work (I know, 95% alcohol is still drinkable) as an antifreeze agent, but 
it will still provide good nutrition to whatever flora might be in the lines.
 
  
 
Marek
 
Ottawa, ON
 
  
 
From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 2:39 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Water
 
  
 
A sailor here used cheap vodka for water lines.  Said he had no fears come 
spring about drinking from the lines.
 
Ron
 
Wild Cheri
 
C 30-1
 
STL
 
  
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I hope this is more joke than not. The drinkable alcohol is very poor 
protection against freezing and provides great environment for growing mold and 
bacteria. Possibly, if you use the pure spirit (at 94%, i.e., 190 proof) it 
would work (I know, 95% alcohol is still drinkable) as an antifreeze agent, but 
it will still provide good nutrition to whatever flora might be in the lines.

Marek
Ottawa, ON

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 2:39 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

A sailor here used cheap vodka for water lines.  Said he had no fears come 
spring about drinking from the lines.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL

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Stus-List Dodger

[Rob Hamlin via CnC-List]

Any recommendations / specs for a dodger for a C 37+?  

Thanks,
Rob

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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 A sailor here used cheap vodka for water lines.  Said he had no fears come 
spring about drinking from the lines.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Friday, January 7, 2022, 09:50:42 AM CST, John Read via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
A quick internet search indicates caution using windshield washer fluid in 
potable water lines.  Most fluids use methanol also known as methyl / wood 
alcohol  to prevent the freezing.  Methanol is highly poisonous and can cause 
blindness.  It may be ingested through air, skin or mouth.  May also be 
corrosive

  

The water system antifreeze are usually based on propylene glycol which is 
considered generally safe unless ingested in large quantities.  Propylene 
glycol rarely causes toxic effects, and then only under very unusual 
circumstances. Propylene glycol is a Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) food 
additive that is widely used in cosmetics. In certain medicines, cosmetics, and 
food products, propylene glycol acts as solvent.
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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 That's a good idea when on the hard, eliminates trips to the lake, but I leave 
the boat in for two years, sometimes three, before pulling.  Depends on the 
forecast for winter.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Friday, January 7, 2022, 05:47:47 AM CST, Paul Hood 
 wrote:  
 
 
Ron,

  

You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
love it.

  

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

  

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

  

Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[WILLIAM WALKER via CnC-List]

 John,  I winter in northern Michigan, and I have no doubt that the sun hitting 
one side of my rudder when on the hard through the winter heated up that 
side(vc 17 gray) drawing moisture to that side, and freezing at night.  That 
side of rudder developed hairline, very hairline, cracks in gel coat.  I had 
rudder dried out, glassed over and all is fine.  But I do understand others 
have at least wrapped rudder in something to prevent the heating a mbv d 
freezing. Bill Walker CnC 36Pentwater, Mi.
On Friday, January 7, 2022, 01:53:14 PM EST, John McCrea via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to 
prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
up? 

  

I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me 
that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and 
the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around 
me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water 
it does not matter. Thanks!

  

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[John Read via CnC-List]

My C 34 now 40 years old and nary a problem in this regard.  Prior boat 25 
years nary a problem.  I think the issue has more to do with how the rudder is 
constructed.  If just shaped foam covered with a few layers of glass and even 
better is water logged then might be a problem.  Mine is solid glass 3-4 inches 
thick around entire perimeter and is dry so no problems.  John your 36 has 
older thick not really tapered design so most likely not an issue for you.

 

My 2 cents American  J

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 4:02 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net; Martin DeYoung
Subject: Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

 

 Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for 
paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was 
enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder 
bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground). 

 

Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the 
rudder.

I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all 
painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a 
suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.

Martin DeYoung

Calypso 

1971 C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle 





On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to 
prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
up? 

 

I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me 
that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and 
the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around 
me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water 
it does not matter. Thanks!

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I drain my potable water tanks and lines for winter storage. Everything
else like heat exchanger, the head and the auto bilge pump gets 50/50
automotive antifreeze like prestone. Never a problem.

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:50 AM John Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A quick internet search indicates caution using windshield washer fluid in
> potable water lines.  Most fluids use methanol also known as methyl / wood
> alcohol  to prevent the freezing.  Methanol is highly poisonous and can
> cause blindness.  It may be ingested through air, skin or mouth.  May also
> be corrosive
>
>
>
> The water system antifreeze are usually based on propylene glycol which is
> considered generally safe unless ingested in large quantities.  Propylene
> glycol rarely causes toxic effects, and then only under very unusual
> circumstances. Propylene glycol is a *Generally Recognized as Safe* (GRAS)
> food additive that is widely used in cosmetics. In certain medicines,
> cosmetics, and food products, propylene glycol acts as solvent.
>
>
>
> In both cases, thorough rinsing of the potable system is recommended
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2022 9:39 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Robert Abbott
> *Subject:* Stus-List Bilge Water
>
>
>
> My mast is usually out during the winter...left it in this year for
> reasons...I use a cheap -35C windshield washer in the bilge to prevent any
> water from freezing before I get to the boat to pump it out. Mast in or
> mast out, I don't use either the manual or electric pump(s) in the
> winterboth lines and pumps are primed with the same -35C rated
> windshield washer to prevent any chance of freezing causing trouble.  Has
> worked well for the past 16 winters.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax,N.S.
>
> On 2022-01-07 1:33 a.m., Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and
> pump it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the
> boat again.
>
> Ron
>
> Wild Cheri
>
> C 30-1
>
> STL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean
>   wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
> C 30-1
>
> Gulf Islands, BC
>
>
>
>
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
>
>
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> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

 Not quite the same risk but last summer (2021) when Calypso was hauled out for 
paint and repairs the PNW experienced a stretch of very hot weather. It was 
enough sustained heat that all the white lithium grease around the rudder 
bearings “melted” and ran down the rudder to puddle on the tarp (ground).

Fortunately it cooled down before we got around to stripping/painting the 
rudder.
I posted reminders to refill the packing gland before launching but after all 
painting was finished. It took most of a grease tube before I observed a 
suitable amount of grease squirting out of the usual places.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:53 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List  
wrote:


Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to 
prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
up?

I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told me 
that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our current, and 
the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with other boats around 
me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the boat is in the water 
it does not matter. Thanks!

John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT
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Stus-List Re: Painting Rudders White.

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Had our boat hauled at several different yards over twenty years and never 
heard any warning to paint a rudder white for winter. That sounds like 
something you might do to protect the rudder from excessive heating if it's 
stored in a sunny location for a long period of time, like in Florida or 
southern Callifornia.

One boatyard yard in Mamaroneck, NY drilled a drain hole in every rudder in the 
yard as part of their haulout procedure.  That was about 300 boats.  I continue 
that practice myself though no one else does.  I also place cheap dollar store 
plastic buckets over my winches so rain or snow doesn't create pockets of water 
in the bearings.  Then I white tarp the deck to reduce the water damage that 
could result from melting snow entering deck hardware.  A good winter cover 
would be better.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis





> On 01/07/2022 1:52 PM John McCrea via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white 
> to prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my 
> winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating them 
> up?
> 
>  
> 
> I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and 
> told me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our 
> current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with 
> other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the 
> boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks!
> 
>  
> 
> John McCrea
> 
> Talisman
> 
> 1979 36-1
> 
> Mystic, CT
> 
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> with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Matthew via CnC-List]

FWIW, potable antifreeze is reportedly not good for the rubber in pumps, so I 
only use it for winterizing the potable water system.

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 1:45 PM
To: John Read ; 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge Water

 

John, 
I don't use the -35C windshield washer fluid in the potable waterlines, fresh 
water tankonly in the bilge lines and the head shower overboard line.  In 
the potable water lines I use plumber's antifreeze.

In the engine, I use full strength diesel antifreeze 50% - 50% with water. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax,N.S. 

On 2022-01-07 11:50 a.m., John Read wrote:

A quick internet search indicates caution using windshield washer fluid in 
potable water lines.  Most fluids use methanol also known as methyl / wood 
alcohol  to prevent the freezing.  Methanol is highly poisonous and can cause 
blindness.  It may be ingested through air, skin or mouth.  May also be 
corrosive

 

The water system antifreeze are usually based on propylene glycol which is 
considered generally safe unless ingested in large quantities.  Propylene 
glycol rarely causes toxic effects, and then only under very unusual 
circumstances. Propylene glycol is a Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) food 
additive that is widely used in cosmetics. In certain medicines, cosmetics, and 
food products, propylene glycol acts as solvent.

 

In both cases, thorough rinsing of the potable system is recommended

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

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Stus-List Painting Rudders White.

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Curious if anyone has been told that you should paint their rudders white to
prevent issues when the boat is out for the winter? One of the staff at my
winter yard told me he has seen C rudders burst due to the sun heating
them up? 

 

I used to do this on my past Ericson 32 as the previous owner had and told
me that they had similar issues. Did not on our last C 37XL nor our
current, and the previous owner of 25 years did not. I am so buried with
other boats around me I doubt I even get any sun exposure. I assume once the
boat is in the water it does not matter. Thanks!

 

John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

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Stus-List Bilge Water

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

John,
I don't use the -35C windshield washer fluid in the potable waterlines, 
fresh water tankonly in the bilge lines and the head shower 
overboard line.  In the potable water lines I use plumber's antifreeze.


In the engine, I use full strength diesel antifreeze 50% - 50% with water.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax,N.S.

On 2022-01-07 11:50 a.m., John Read wrote:


A quick internet search indicates caution using windshield washer 
fluid in potable water lines.  Most fluids use methanol also known as 
methyl / wood alcohol  to prevent the freezing.  Methanol is highly 
poisonous and can cause blindness.  It may be ingested through air, 
skin or mouth. May also be corrosive


The water system antifreeze are usually based on propylene glycol 
which is considered generally safe unless ingested in large 
quantities. Propylene glycol rarely causes toxic effects, and then 
only under very unusual circumstances. Propylene glycol is a 
*Generally Recognized as Safe* (GRAS) food additive that is widely 
used in cosmetics. In certain medicines, cosmetics, and food products, 
propylene glycol acts as solvent.


In both cases, thorough rinsing of the potable system is recommended

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT


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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Please send; I might have to do that.  This thread has got me thinking, and 
worrying.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Friday, January 7, 2022, 09:53:04 AM CST, Paul Hood via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
I actually have not put it on the rudder, just on the hull for the bildge.  I 
wonder if anyone else has done it on the rudder.  Seems to make sense.  I would 
likely put it on the underside or at the side.  In both cases, it needs to be 
at the lowest point on the rudder.

  

If you want I can send you a picture and type I used.  Quite happy with it.

  

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

  

From: Jack Vining  
Sent: January 7, 2022 9:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Paul Hood 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

  

Hi Paul.

Where did you pickup your garboard drain from, what size is it ,and was it hard 
to install, and location on the ruder.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Vining

cc30-1

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 7, 2022, at 6:47 AM, Paul Hood via CnC-List  
wrote:


Ron,

 

You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
love it.

 

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

 

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

 

Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
 wrote: 

 

 

Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?

 

Andrew

C 30-1

Gulf Islands, BC

 



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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Paul Hood via CnC-List]

I actually have not put it on the rudder, just on the hull for the bildge.  I 
wonder if anyone else has done it on the rudder.  Seems to make sense.  I would 
likely put it on the underside or at the side.  In both cases, it needs to be 
at the lowest point on the rudder.

 

If you want I can send you a picture and type I used.  Quite happy with it.

 

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

 

From: Jack Vining  
Sent: January 7, 2022 9:04 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Paul Hood 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

 

Hi Paul.

Where did you pickup your garboard drain from, what size is it ,and was it hard 
to install, and location on the ruder.

Thanks in advance.

Jack Vining

cc30-1

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 7, 2022, at 6:47 AM, Paul Hood via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ron,

 

You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
love it.

 

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

 

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker mailto:rbfrer...@yahoo.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

 

Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
mailto:andre...@icloud.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?

 

Andrew

C 30-1

Gulf Islands, BC

 

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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[John Read via CnC-List]

A quick internet search indicates caution using windshield washer fluid in 
potable water lines.  Most fluids use methanol also known as methyl / wood 
alcohol  to prevent the freezing.  Methanol is highly poisonous and can cause 
blindness.  It may be ingested through air, skin or mouth.  May also be 
corrosive

 

The water system antifreeze are usually based on propylene glycol which is 
considered generally safe unless ingested in large quantities.  Propylene 
glycol rarely causes toxic effects, and then only under very unusual 
circumstances. Propylene glycol is a Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) food 
additive that is widely used in cosmetics. In certain medicines, cosmetics, and 
food products, propylene glycol acts as solvent.

 

In both cases, thorough rinsing of the potable system is recommended

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 9:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List Bilge Water

 

My mast is usually out during the winter...left it in this year for reasons...I 
use a cheap -35C windshield washer in the bilge to prevent any water from 
freezing before I get to the boat to pump it out. Mast in or mast out, I don't 
use either the manual or electric pump(s) in the winterboth lines and pumps 
are primed with the same -35C rated windshield washer to prevent any chance of 
freezing causing trouble.  Has worked well for the past 16 winters.

Rob Abbott 
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax,N.S. 

On 2022-01-07 1:33 a.m., Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote:

Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean  
  wrote: 

 

 

Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?

 

Andrew

C 30-1

Gulf Islands, BC

 





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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

You’re gonna love her.  Tough as nails.

From the fun in the sun department, I just got home from ten days in the USVI 
with my family on a Lagoon 46 I bareboated.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
SV Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:42 PM, andrew macLean via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ron. That seems like a pretty good idea. Not sure that we get quite 
> cold enough here for me to follow suit. I’m still new to our 30-1 and eager 
> to learn more about her proper care and feeding. 
> 
> Andrew
> C 30-1
> Gulf Islands, BC
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 21:34, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and 
>> pump it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the 
>> boat again.
>> Ron
>> Wild Cheri
>> C 30-1
>> STL
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> C 30-1
>> Gulf Islands, BC
>> 
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Stus-List Re: Bilge Water

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I do more or less the same.  My boat is covered in the winter, and there’s no 
real issue unless the mast is up.  When it’s up, water accumulates in the 
bilge, so I throw in some antifreeze.  I don’t pump out in the winter because I 
don’t want to undermine winterization of the bilge pump.  Instead, I keep a 
Shop Vac on the boat, and if the water accumulates too much I suck it out and 
dump it in the galley sink.  The garboard drain idea is intriguing, but my DNA 
is resistant to drilling underwater holes in my bilge.

 

Matt Wolford

C 42 Custom  

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2022 9:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge Water

 

My mast is usually out during the winter...left it in this year for reasons...I 
use a cheap -35C windshield washer in the bilge to prevent any water from 
freezing before I get to the boat to pump it out. Mast in or mast out, I don't 
use either the manual or electric pump(s) in the winterboth lines and pumps 
are primed with the same -35C rated windshield washer to prevent any chance of 
freezing causing trouble.  Has worked well for the past 16 winters.

Rob Abbott 
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax,N.S. 

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Stus-List Re: Confession Time - "Dark Side"...not so dark

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Congrats!  Looks like  a really comfy ride!

Joel

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Stus-List Bilge Water

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

My mast is usually out during the winter...left it in this year for 
reasons...I use a cheap -35C windshield washer in the bilge to prevent 
any water from freezing before I get to the boat to pump it out. Mast in 
or mast out, I don't use either the manual or electric pump(s) in the 
winterboth lines and pumps are primed with the same -35C rated 
windshield washer to prevent any chance of freezing causing trouble.  
Has worked well for the past 16 winters.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax,N.S.

On 2022-01-07 1:33 a.m., Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List wrote:
Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it 
and pump it out. No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I 
visit the boat again.

Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
 wrote:



Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?

Andrew
C 30-1
Gulf Islands, BC


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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Jack Vining via CnC-List]

Hi Paul.
Where did you pickup your garboard drain from, what size is it ,and was it hard 
to install, and location on the ruder.
Thanks in advance.
Jack Vining
cc30-1

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> On Jan 7, 2022, at 6:47 AM, Paul Hood via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ron,
>  
> You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
> love it.
>  
> Paul Hood
> REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay
>  
> From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
> Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun
>  
> Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and 
> pump it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the 
> boat again.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>  
>  
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?
>  
> Andrew
> C 30-1
> Gulf Islands, BC
>  
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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List]

Second the garboard drain! There have been discussions in the past on this, but 
there is no easier, cheaper, peace of mind project.

Jeff Laman
81 CnC34 Harmony
Ludington, MICHIGAN

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From: Paul Hood via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 6:47:39 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Paul Hood 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun


Ron,



You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
love it.



Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay



From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun



Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL





On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
mailto:andre...@icloud.com>> wrote:





Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?



Andrew

C 30-1

Gulf Islands, BC


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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Paul Hood via CnC-List]

Ron,

 

You should try a garboard drain instead.  I put mine in a few years ago and 
love it.

 

Paul Hood

REFUGE - ’81 C Georgian Bay

 

From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List  
Sent: January 7, 2022 12:33 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

 

Water leaks in on a warmer day and then freezes before I can get to it and pump 
it out.  No auto pump.  Cheap anti-freeze works well 'til I visit the boat 
again.

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

 

On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 11:11:53 PM CST, andrew macLean 
mailto:andre...@icloud.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Ron, Why are you putting anti-freeze in the bilge?

 

Andrew

C 30-1

Gulf Islands, BC

 

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Stus-List Re: Fun in the sun

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn what size are you looking for

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:20 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We're so jealous! Meanwhile, I hope to get to our boat (near Victoria)
> after the latest snowfall, and before tomorrow's forecasted 50kn winds.
>
> If we don't find an offshore boat in the next few months, we will consider
> finding one in S.Cal or Mexico and keeping Callisto for summer sailing in
> BC. Not quite ready to downsize the house and go full time sailing yet, so
> time spent between Mexico and BC seems like a good intermediate step.
>
> --
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> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
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> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 5:54 PM Doug via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Just thought I should update this list as ti my current "residence".
>> Rebecca Leah and I are currently sailing in the Sea of Cortez. I lest home
>> in late August and have not looked back. Not sure what summer time will
>> bring. Whether it is another boat back in the PNW, or an air-conditioned
>> plot of land here in México.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> sv Rebecca Leah
>> C & C Landfall 39
>> Port Orchard Yacht Club
>> Port Orchard, WA
>> Somewhere in México.
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