Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[MICHAEL BRANNON via CnC-List]

I used to use a cow hitch for STA-SET type of sheets on a Genoa.   For my high 
tech sheets I splice an eye in the sheet and use a soft shackle to attach it to 
the sail. 

> On Jun 17, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Josh via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Your experience sounds exactly the same as mine.  The use of the Alpine 
> Butterfly has similar physics but allows for the use of a soft shackle which 
> makes changing the headsail a possibility. 
> 
> Josh 
> 
> Jun 17, 2022 09:08:24 Nathan Post via CnC-List :
> 
> I found that the luggage tag approach (attached at the middle of a long 
> continuous sheet) works well for me.  Of course that is only helpful if you 
> don't do headsail changes frequently or at all.  If you have eye splices in 
> your sheets you could try luggage tagging each of them to the clew if the 
> grommet in the sail is large enough to do that.
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:46 AM Matthew via CnC-List  > wrote: 
> Thanks, Josh.  The photo shows a soft shackle tied to a genny sheet with a 
> bowline (or what appears to be a bowline).  How does this configuration solve 
> the problem of the bowline getting hung up on stays when tacking a 150 genny?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Josh via CnC-List  > 
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 1:44 AM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Josh mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
> 
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> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
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> The alpine butterfly is the single best improvement for me. 
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1980 C 37+ 
> Solomons, MD
> 
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> 
> Jun 16, 2022 13:32:30 David Knecht via CnC-List  >:
> 
> What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment 
> from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema soft shackle to 
> attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the problem over 
> knots.  Thanks- Dave
> 
>  
> 
> S/V Aries
> 
> 1990 C 34+
> 
> New London, CT
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Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[Josh via CnC-List]

Your experience sounds exactly the same as mine.  The use of the Alpine 
Butterfly has similar physics but allows for the use of a soft shackle which 
makes changing the headsail a possibility.

Josh

Jun 17, 2022 09:08:24 Nathan Post via CnC-List :

> I found that the luggage tag approach (attached at the middle of a long 
> continuous sheet) works well for me.  Of course that is only helpful if you 
> don't do headsail changes frequently or at all.  If you have eye splices in 
> your sheets you could try luggage tagging each of them to the clew if the 
> grommet in the sail is large enough to do that.
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:46 AM Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Josh.  The photo shows a soft shackle tied to a genny sheet with a 
>> bowline (or what appears to be a bowline).  How does this configuration 
>> solve the problem of the bowline getting hung up on stays when tacking a 150 
>> genny?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2022 1:44 AM
>> *To:* Stus-List 
>> *Cc:* Josh 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
>> 
>> The alpine butterfly is the single best improvement for me.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1980 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jun 16, 2022 13:32:30 David Knecht via CnC-List :
>> 
>>> What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet 
>>> attachment from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema 
>>> soft shackle to attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the 
>>> problem over knots.  Thanks- Dave
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> S/V Aries
>>> 
>>> 1990 C 34+
>>> 
>>> New London, CT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [cid:18171c206904cff311]
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[Josh via CnC-List]

It's not a bowline.  It's an alpine butterfly.  You have to see it in action to 
understand the physics but until then you're gonna have to take my word.

Realize that the butterfly is made in the middle of a single line the halves of 
which are led aft as port and stbd sheets.  The only best way I can explain it 
is that the working sheet pulls the butterfly in such away that it pivots to 
create a fairlead across the shrouds and stays.

Josh

Jun 17, 2022 08:46:30 Matthew via CnC-List :

> Thanks, Josh.  The photo shows a soft shackle tied to a genny sheet with a 
> bowline (or what appears to be a bowline).  How does this configuration solve 
> the problem of the bowline getting hung up on stays when tacking a 150 genny?
> 
> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2022 1:44 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
> 
> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
> 
> The alpine butterfly is the single best improvement for me.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1980 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> Jun 16, 2022 13:32:30 David Knecht via CnC-List :
> 
> What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment 
> from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema soft shackle to 
> attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the problem over 
> knots.  Thanks- Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 
> 1990 C 34+
> 
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> [cid:image001.png@01D88226.AF188EE0]
> 

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

I found that the luggage tag approach (attached at the middle of a long
continuous sheet) works well for me.  Of course that is only helpful if you
don't do headsail changes frequently or at all.  If you have eye splices in
your sheets you could try luggage tagging each of them to the clew if the
grommet in the sail is large enough to do that.

Nathan


On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:46 AM Matthew via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks, Josh.  The photo shows a soft shackle tied to a genny sheet with a
> bowline (or what appears to be a bowline).  How does this configuration
> solve the problem of the bowline getting hung up on stays when tacking a
> 150 genny?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2022 1:44 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Josh 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds
>
>
>
>
> https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
>
> The alpine butterfly is the single best improvement for me.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1980 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> Jun 16, 2022 13:32:30 David Knecht via CnC-List :
>
> What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet
> attachment from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema
> soft shackle to attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the
> problem over knots.  Thanks- Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Thanks, Josh.  The photo shows a soft shackle tied to a genny sheet with a 
bowline (or what appears to be a bowline).  How does this configuration solve 
the problem of the bowline getting hung up on stays when tacking a 150 genny?

 

From: Josh via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 1:44 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Josh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets catch on shrouds

 

https://stingysailor.com/2015/06/27/diy-soft-shackles-for-quick-and-easy-headsail-changes-2/
 

The alpine butterfly is the single best improvement for me. 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1980 C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

 

Jun 16, 2022 13:32:30 David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >:

What have people found to be the best way to keep the genoa sheet attachment 
from catching on the shrouds during a tack?  I use a dyneema soft shackle to 
attach the sheets to the clew, but that has not solved the problem over knots.  
Thanks- Dave 

 

S/V Aries 

1990 C 34+ 

New London, CT 




 

Stus-List Re: Return crew

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Good luck, Joel. May see you there. Masquerade should arrive on Monday
afternoon.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:18 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All
>
> We had to return to Bermuda because the starter failed  I am looking for
> available crew who could fly to Bermuda and help bring our Hylas 49 back to
> Annapolis early next week. Please email me if available. I had assembled a
> great group of C but their schedules did not take into account a four
> or five  day delay in departure
> --
> Joel
>
>