Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Call Progressive directly. They insured my boat.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 5:13 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going through this right now.  I got a letter from my insurance
> company questioning my "agreed value".  Years ago I got a condition and
> value survey for Touche' (1971 35-1) for $40K.  That's what I had it
> insured for.
>
> The letter said the "most recent used boat price guide lists the current
> market value between $15,300 and $17,300".  I don't disagree that
> many sisterboats without upgrades and refurbishments on Yachtworld are
> priced in that range.  As always, value depends on market and condition.
>
> Okay, $40K is a bit high.  I asked if my policy was truly an "agreed
> value" policy.  They said no.  One can insure a boat for way more than it's
> worth but I doubt the insurance provider would happily write a check for
> that amount.
>
> Now what?  If the boat is physically damaged but largely intact, they will
> pay to fix it or total it based on the repair vendor's estimate.  The
> adjuster can look at the boat and hopefully see that it is in much better
> condition than the ones currently on the market.  I will show the adjuster
> the differences and all the upgrades and hope that the adjuster agrees with
> me.
>
> Now what happens if the boat burns and is completely destroyed
> with nothing remaining for the adjuster to look at?  I plan on taking lots
> of pictures and arguing with the adjuster.
>
> Bottom line, I reduced the coverage to $30K.  On a positive note, both my
> premium and my deductible dropped.  The deductible is a percent of the
> covered value.  I see this as a positive.  Most likely, any claim will be
> to repair damages much less than the covered value.  The lower deductible
> works in my favor.
>
> The real value of insurance is in the liability coverage.  That's where
> the potential for big dollar claims lies.
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 4:55 PM Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
>> Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
>> since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
>> zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
>> a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
>> only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
>> windows.
>>
>> I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
>> $70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
>> report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
>> to $2,372 per year.
>>
>> I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and
>> I'm cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly
>> all of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to
>> much insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?
>>
>> Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

The aluminum plate in the  cockpit of my 44 shows it was built in Rhode Island. 
It is the 7th one built. 
The HIN was removed when painted. 

Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Your boat was registered in the US as Rainbow with a USCG registration number 
> of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
> 
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is 
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).  Indigo, a Canadian vessel was in US waters 
> (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
> 
> 
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing 
>> location.
>> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
>> My hull number is:
>> ZCC44001H586
>> 
>> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but not 
>> where it was made.
>> 
>> Thanks so much!
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>> Ron,
>>> 
>>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run 
>>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent 
>>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with 
>>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF 
>>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN 
>>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.  
>>> 
>>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2 
>>> was built?
>>> 
>>> Don Kern
>>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>>> Bristol, RI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
 Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory 
 closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files 
 including something called a "build file".
 This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
 They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
 I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details 
 the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the 
 floor because of "flexing"?
 I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the 
 Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some 
 listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
 Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
 Good luck
 Ron C.
 Impromptu 
 C 38MKII, #125, '77
 
 On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
 Hi all,
 Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records 
 showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in Rhode 
 Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an original 
 receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from when the 
 factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
 
 Thanks so much!
 
 Dan Cormier
 C Breakaweigh
 Halifax NS / Florida
 
 
 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Josh via CnC-List]

You should also try to rev the engine with it out of gear.  If it has the same 
problem of reaching full RPM then fuel and air delivery are nearly to only 
possible culprits.

A bad or weak governor spring would be indicated by an engine that has a 
tendency to over speed or hunt.  Pulling the throttle faster applies pressure 
to open the fuel rack and provide more fuel.  More fuel create more RPM and the 
governor the creates a feedback force that resists the fuel rack.  The governor 
tries to slow the engine whereas the throttle tries to speed it up.  Without 
the governor the engine will tend to race, have high RPM, limited throttle 
control, and is lively to overspreed.

When you get to 2100 RPM do you get heave black smoke?  If you do the engine is 
getting plenty of fuel but not enough air.  Have you checked or simply removed 
the air cleaner?  When was the last time the backlash was checked on the 
lifters.  I can walk you through it if you don't know.

If you're not getting black smoke, are you getting any change in smoke?

Are you getting a correlating loss of power or stumbling?  Or is it just not 
going faster?  Was it not able to push the boat at normal full speed.  Are you 
confident in the accuracy of the RPM gage.  You can get a laser tach from 
Amazon for less than $20 to confirm the RPM.

As the high pressure fuel pump and fuel injectors age they have springs that 
get weak.  Weak pump springs will allow the tappets to "float" and not achieve 
a full intake stroke of fuelcausing a low fuel condition resulting in lower 
RPM.  If the injectors are dirty or have weak springs they won't achieve full 
fuel pressure before injection and may even leak a small amount into the 
cylinder before TDC.  This is probably good more likely to cause detonation 
(ping or knock), not exacly low RPM but none the less is sub optimum operation.

Have you checked the oil for fuel dilution?  The fuel lift pump is driven off a 
cam and if the diaphragm cracks or tears it will leak fuel into the crank case. 
 This may also let crankcase pressure into the high pressure fuel 
pump...reducing fuel delivery and RPM.  Pull the dip stick, drop some oil on a 
paper towel.  Smell it for diesel smell.  Wait and observe for a halo.  
Especially if you have red diesel the halo is seen as the clearish red halo 
around the black oil spot.

If all of that checks.  Then you need to get a little more invasive.  A 
compression check is in order.  I can walk you through it and provide 
parts(tools).  It is definitely doable as DIY but you got some investigation to 
do first.  Let me know.  Reach out with a PM and we can talk.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :

> 
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the 
> bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks 
> one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is 
> right but I don't think so.
> 
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
> 
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>  

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

FWIW, I had a "dry exhaust" a few weeks ago and found we could test the exhaust 
riser elbow by pulling off the 2" exhaust hose and then with the stop cable 
pulled, we turned over the engine to see water spitting out the exhaust riser 
into a bucket.  On my Universal M4-30, it proved the exhaust injection elbow 
and riser were fine.

Sidenote:  I wound up replacing the entire 20 feet of 2" exhaust hose because 
it was 33 years old and all the cooling lines which I had installed twenty 
years ago.  About $500 for hoses and clamps but well worth it for much peace of 
mind.

My original problem was the raw water pump bearing assembly, which allowed the 
pump shaft to dissengage from the engine.  $140 in parts got that fixed and all 
was good again.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R Annapolis 



> On 06/26/2022 9:49 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yanmar exhaust elbows are evil.  I’ve has Alera for 10 years and am on my 
> third.
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
> 
> > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > If replaced should  be  good just a common problem with 
> the symptoms you described.
> > 
> > Rod 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Robert Abbott 
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rod
> > > 
> > > Mixing elbow, muffler (from small SS to larger resin) and 
> > > exhaust hose were all replaced a few years back.  I'd be surprised if the 
> > > problem was there.
> > > 
> > > Rob
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2022-06-26 2:59 p.m., Rod Stright wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
> > > >  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > > > Sent: June-26-22 12:40 PM
> > > > To: Josh  mailto:muckl...@gmail.com 
> > > > ; Stus-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > > > Cc: Robert Abbott  
> > > > mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca
> > > > Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every 
> > > > Spring after Winter layup.
> > > > 
> > > > Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be 
> > > > finemost likely a fuel issue
> > > > 
> > > > On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > Is the bottom and prop clean?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
> > > > >  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com :
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Went to take the boat out Friday for a 
> > > > > > short sail .motoring out heading into a12 knt breezestarted 
> > > > > > to increase the RPM's and found the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 
> > > > > > RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that complicated 
> > > > > > but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
> > > > > > shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
> > > > > > him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel 
> > > > > > problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel 
> > > > > > should be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and 
> > > > > > the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters 
> > > > > > are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
> > > > > > think so.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel 
> > > > > > injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the engine has never been serviced 
> > > > > > in the 16 years I have had the boat
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Any insight or guidance to help greatly 
> > > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rob Abbott
> > > > > > AZURA
> > > > > > C 32 - #277
> > > > > > Halifax, N.S.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Dave S via CnC-List]

I’ve troubleshot a few and for what it’s worth I’ve not seen one here with an 
exhaust elbow issue on the Great Lakes.  This is always cited online as a 
trouble spot but it appears to be much less of a concern in Fresh water.The 
three  I’ve checked were original and clear of obstructions.  

Dave 33-2 windstar.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:49 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yanmar exhaust elbows are evil.  I’ve has Alera for 10 years and am on my 
> third.
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> If replaced should  be  good just a common problem with the symptoms you 
>> described.
>> 
>> Rod 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Robert Abbott  
 wrote:
 
>>>  Rod
>>> 
>>> Mixing elbow, muffler (from small SS to larger resin) and exhaust hose were 
>>> all replaced a few years back.  I'd be surprised if the problem was there.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2022-06-26 2:59 p.m., Rod Stright wrote:
 Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.
  
 From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
 Sent: June-26-22 12:40 PM
 To: Josh ; Stus-List 
 Cc: Robert Abbott 
 Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
  
 Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter 
 layup.
 
 Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a fuel 
 issue
 
 On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:
 Is the bottom and prop clean?
  
 Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :
 
 
 Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out 
 heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the 
 engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed 
 to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start 
 to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke 
 to him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel 
 problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should 
 be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel 
 filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the 
 fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so. 
 
 Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
 the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat 
 
 Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
 
 Rob Abbott 
 AZURA 
 C 32 - #277 
 Halifax, N.S.
  
  
>>> 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Yanmar exhaust elbows are evil.  I’ve has Alera for 10 years and am on my third.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> If replaced should  be  good just a common problem with the symptoms you 
> described.
> 
> Rod 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Robert Abbott  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Rod
>> 
>> Mixing elbow, muffler (from small SS to larger resin) and exhaust hose were 
>> all replaced a few years back.  I'd be surprised if the problem was there.
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2022-06-26 2:59 p.m., Rod Stright wrote:
>>> Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.
>>>  
>>> From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
>>> Sent: June-26-22 12:40 PM
>>> To: Josh ; Stus-List 
>>> Cc: Robert Abbott 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
>>>  
>>> Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter 
>>> layup.
>>> 
>>> Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a fuel 
>>> issue
>>> 
>>> On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:
>>> Is the bottom and prop clean?
>>>  
>>> Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
>>> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
>>> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
>>> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
>>> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
>>> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
>>> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had 
>>> the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He 
>>> thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope 
>>> he is right but I don't think so. 
>>> 
>>> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
>>> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat 
>>> 
>>> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Rob Abbott 
>>> AZURA 
>>> C 32 - #277 
>>> Halifax, N.S.
>>>  
>>>  
>> 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Rob - just went through this with a marina neighbour’s universal - went end to 
end and finally found that the governor had a tired spring. The  Good thing was 
that by the time we were done the entire fuel supply and exhaust were checked, 
optimized and are now known to be reliable, plus he can now bleed it in 
minutes, in the dark if need be.  The mechanics around here (GTA) are thin on 
the ground and he had two chasing the wrong things and wasting time before we 
tackled it ourselves. 
Good luck, Dave.  


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 4:44 PM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Any overheating??   I had a bad riser on my “new-to-me” of another 
> manufacturer (still a Yanmar) and overheating was the first notable finding. 
> 
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA 
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> From: jameshesketh via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:05:47 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: jameshesketh 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF
>  
> Just had the same symptoms on my Yanmar Sb8.
> My exhaust elbow was almost completely blocked causing excessive back 
> pressure. 
> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>  
>> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
>> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
>> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
>> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
>> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
>> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
>> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had 
>> the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He 
>> thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope 
>> he is right but I don't think so. 
>> 
>> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
>> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
>> 
>> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Rob Abbott
>> AZURA
>> C 32 - #277
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>  

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Dan,

Your boat was registered in the US as /Rainbow /with a USCG registration 
number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.


Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it 
is also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485)./  Indigo/, a Canadian vessel was in 
US waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Don,

It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the 
manufacturing location.

Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
My hull number is:
ZCC44001H586

When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 
but not where it was made.


Thanks so much!
Dan

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Ron,

I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and
have run into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due
to the apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are
one of the problems with the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally
was under the impression that the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth,
RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have run
into exceptions.

Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C
38 Mk-2 was built?

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the
factory closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of
the boat files including something called a "build file".
This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull
number.
They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and
details the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year
later rework of the floor because of "flexing"?
I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining
documents to the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name,
but I do know that some listers have had positive corresoondence
with them).
Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
Good luck
Ron C.
Impromptu
C 38MKII, #125, '77

On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi all,
Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any
records showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at
the factory in Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque,
builders certificate, an original receipt or even contact
info for someone who has archives from when the factories
closed down? (I know that's a long shot)

Thanks so much!

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax NS / Florida

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

John
I have never had the exhaust riser inspectedI now know what one is 
and what it does (didn't before)) and even if turns out it is something 
else, I will be checking or, having checked, the exhaust riserdon't 
want or need the damage from one of them to failing if it can be avoided.


Rob



On 2022-06-26 6:04 p.m., John Read via CnC-List wrote:


My first thought is blocked exhaust riser – especially if has been 
several years since last checked.  Causes high back pressure causing 
engine not able to rev to spec


John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

*From:*Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Robert Abbott
*Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out 
heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found 
the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not 
supposed to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know 
where to start to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it 
this week.  I spoke to him and told him the situation and he thinks it 
is a fuel problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank 
and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years 
ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the 
filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I 
don't think so.


Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, 
etc.  the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have 
had the boat


Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

If replaced should  be  good just a common problem with the symptoms you 
described.

Rod 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Robert Abbott  wrote:
> 
>  Rod
> 
> Mixing elbow, muffler (from small SS to larger resin) and exhaust hose were 
> all replaced a few years back.  I'd be surprised if the problem was there.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> On 2022-06-26 2:59 p.m., Rod Stright wrote:
>> Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.
>>  
>> From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
>> Sent: June-26-22 12:40 PM
>> To: Josh ; Stus-List 
>> Cc: Robert Abbott 
>> Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
>>  
>> Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter layup.
>> 
>> Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a fuel 
>> issue
>> 
>> On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:
>> Is the bottom and prop clean?
>>  
>> Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :
>> 
>> 
>> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
>> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
>> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
>> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
>> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
>> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
>> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had 
>> the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He 
>> thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope 
>> he is right but I don't think so. 
>> 
>> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
>> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat 
>> 
>> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated. 
>> 
>> Rob Abbott 
>> AZURA 
>> C 32 - #277 
>> Halifax, N.S.
>>  
>>  
> 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Rod

Mixing elbow, muffler (from small SS to larger resin) and exhaust hose 
were all replaced a few years back.  I'd be surprised if the problem was 
there.


Rob



On 2022-06-26 2:59 p.m., Rod Stright wrote:


Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.

*From:*Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
*Sent:* June-26-22 12:40 PM
*To:* Josh ; Stus-List 
*Cc:* Robert Abbott 
*Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter 
layup.


Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a 
fuel issue


On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:

Is the bottom and prop clean?

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List
 :


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail
.motoring out heading into a12 knt breezestarted to
increase the RPM's and found the engine wouldn't rev about
2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to
start to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it
this week.  I spoke to him and told him the situation and he
thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting enough
fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the
bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters
replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting
the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel
pump, etc.  the engine has never been serviced in the 16
years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm going through this right now.  I got a letter from my insurance company
questioning my "agreed value".  Years ago I got a condition and value
survey for Touche' (1971 35-1) for $40K.  That's what I had it insured for.

The letter said the "most recent used boat price guide lists the current
market value between $15,300 and $17,300".  I don't disagree that
many sisterboats without upgrades and refurbishments on Yachtworld are
priced in that range.  As always, value depends on market and condition.

Okay, $40K is a bit high.  I asked if my policy was truly an "agreed value"
policy.  They said no.  One can insure a boat for way more than it's worth
but I doubt the insurance provider would happily write a check for that
amount.

Now what?  If the boat is physically damaged but largely intact, they will
pay to fix it or total it based on the repair vendor's estimate.  The
adjuster can look at the boat and hopefully see that it is in much better
condition than the ones currently on the market.  I will show the adjuster
the differences and all the upgrades and hope that the adjuster agrees with
me.

Now what happens if the boat burns and is completely destroyed with nothing
remaining for the adjuster to look at?  I plan on taking lots of pictures
and arguing with the adjuster.

Bottom line, I reduced the coverage to $30K.  On a positive note, both my
premium and my deductible dropped.  The deductible is a percent of the
covered value.  I see this as a positive.  Most likely, any claim will be
to repair damages much less than the covered value.  The lower deductible
works in my favor.

The real value of insurance is in the liability coverage.  That's where the
potential for big dollar claims lies.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 4:55 PM Brian Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
> Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
> since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
> zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
> a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
> only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
> windows.
>
> I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
> $70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
> report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
> to $2,372 per year.
>
> I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and
> I'm cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly
> all of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to
> much insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Surveyors here on the Chesapeake Bay run $30-$35 per foot

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Brian Davis via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 6:27:30 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Davis 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

Thanks, Randy. I actually just checked online with Progressive and they 
rejected my quote request with this error message:  "vessel > 35 feet in length 
are unacceptable".  What the heck? Lol

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:16 PM randal johnston via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
 ^

What he said. Was also with BoatUS forever, til they changed to Geico 
underwriting, then premiums went thru roof. Now with Progressive. Whichever way 
you go, if you’re racing, make sure you’re covered. Keep liability up there.

randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River, OR

>

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Thanks, Randy. I actually just checked online with Progressive and they
rejected my quote request with this error message:  "vessel > 35 feet in
length are unacceptable".  What the heck? Lol

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:16 PM randal johnston via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  ^
>
> What he said. Was also with BoatUS forever, til they changed to Geico
> underwriting, then premiums went thru roof. Now with Progressive. Whichever
> way you go, if you’re racing, make sure you’re covered. Keep liability up
> there.
>
> randy
> Tamanawas
> 29-II
> Hood River, OR
>
> >
>

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[randal johnston via CnC-List]

 ^
  
What he said. Was also with BoatUS forever, til they changed to Geico 
underwriting, then premiums went thru roof. Now with Progressive. Whichever way 
you go, if you’re racing, make sure you’re covered. Keep liability up there. 

randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River, OR

> 

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

Thanks, Alan. I appreciate the good advice. I don't expect to get what I
put into her. I just want to be thoughtful on how I insure her. 

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 6:10 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> See what other boats like yours are selling for on Yachtworld.com to give
> you a better idea of what to insure her for. Also get a quote from
> Progressive. I had insurance through BoatUS for decades, but a quote from
> Progressive was less than half of what GEICO wanted. Don't skimp on
> liability insurance. That will cover you if youy damage someone else's
> property, and it's cheaper hthat hull insurance. Things like spars and
> sails are depreciated, unless the boat is totaled. $70k does sound high to
> me. Don't expect to get back what you put into her.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:55 PM Brian Davis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
>> Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
>> since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
>> zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
>> a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
>> only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
>> windows.
>>
>> I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
>> $70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
>> report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
>> to $2,372 per year.
>>
>> I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and
>> I'm cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly
>> all of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to
>> much insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?
>>
>> Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>
>

Stus-List Re: Insurance... what is to much?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

See what other boats like yours are selling for on Yachtworld.com to give
you a better idea of what to insure her for. Also get a quote from
Progressive. I had insurance through BoatUS for decades, but a quote from
Progressive was less than half of what GEICO wanted. Don't skimp on
liability insurance. That will cover you if youy damage someone else's
property, and it's cheaper hthat hull insurance. Things like spars and
sails are depreciated, unless the boat is totaled. $70k does sound high to
me. Don't expect to get back what you put into her.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:55 PM Brian Davis via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
> Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
> since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
> zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
> a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
> only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
> windows.
>
> I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
> $70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
> report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
> to $2,372 per year.
>
> I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and
> I'm cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly
> all of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to
> much insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?
>
> Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>

Stus-List Insurance... what is to much?

[Brian Davis via CnC-List]

I have an insurance question for my fellow C'ers. My wife and I bought
Nina (1980 Landfall 38) 6 years ago for $25k. I've had Geico Marine ever
since for an insured value of $30k with a vanishing deductible that is now
zero. I have since restored her to about 95% and tracked all my receipts in
a spreadsheet totalling $45k. We are very happy with the result and the
only remaining 2 projects are a dodger/bimini and replacing the side plexi
windows.

I inquired with Geico Marine about increasing the coverage from $30k to
$70k. I would first need to pay for a surveyor to inspect and write a
report (I don't know how much this is). Then my rate would go from $1,759
to $2,372 per year.

I know this is a sliding scale based on the condition of each boat, and I'm
cool with the money I've put into her so far since we love her. Nearly all
of it is parts cost only because I am a skilled craftsman. Is $70k to much
insurance, and is $2,372 to much to pay for it?

Would appreciate any thoughts and advice.

Regards,
Brian

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[John Read via CnC-List]

My first thought is blocked exhaust riser – especially if has been several 
years since last checked.  Causes high back pressure causing engine not able to 
rev to spec

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

 


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Any overheating??   I had a bad riser on my “new-to-me” of another manufacturer 
(still a Yanmar) and overheating was the first notable finding.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: jameshesketh via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 2:05:47 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: jameshesketh 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

Just had the same symptoms on my Yanmar Sb8.
My exhaust elbow was almost completely blocked causing excessive back pressure.

On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
wrote:


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Rob;
 
Carbon buildup in the exhaust mixing elbow can be a problem on the 2 cylinder 
Yanmar.. Causes back pressure that hurts performance, and eventually caused the 
the engine to not start on a friend's C 29.
 
My friend Bob, who makes his living as an engine mechanic, cleans out the elbow 
on the 2 cyl Yanmar in the J30 he races every 200 engine hours as part of 
periodic maintenance.
 
 
If you've not had something like that done in 16 years, it might be something 
else for your mechanic to look into.
 
Rick Brass
Happy owner of a Kubota based Universal diesel
Washington, NC
 
-Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jun 26, 2022 11:58 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
 
The mechanic took a quick look on Friday and felt it was a fuel issuemaybe 
dirty filters (although the tank was out of the boat 2 years ago and pressure 
cleaned, both primary and secondary fuel filters changed at the same time).  

Chuck, I did that myself (didn't repair the bottom of the tank) but everything 
elseemptied the fuel tank of 15 gallons of diesel (donated it to the club's 
tractor), took the tank to a machine shop where they repaired the two pin 
holes, put it back in, new fuel and new fuel filters.

The mechanic did notice some diesel leaking from a line fitting going into the 
small Yanmar fuel filter said a quarter inch tightening might solve the 
problem as this might be an air leak.

When I said earlier the engine has not been serviced in 16 years, I meant it 
had not had a diesel mechanic service it.I do an oil change every Fall, 
fuel filters changed regularly, have replaced all the engine hoses, air filter, 
water and alternator belts, water pump impellers, etc.  This work i do myself 
but when it comes to more complicated things, \i will leave that to the 
mechanics who know what they are doing (or should)

If it something like dirty or failed fuel injectors, a failed fuel pump, etc, 
etc, best the mechanic diagnose the problem and fix it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- #277
Halifax, N.S. 

  

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:03 AM Novabraid via CnC-List  wrote:
Rob,
Recommending two things:
1. Change both filters and perform this task annually (or more often if your 
source of diesel is questionable.)
2. Find out if your mechanic is willing to have you “help” perform the filter 
change as it will likely be the first thing he’ll want to do.  You really need 
to learn how to make filter changes and to learn how to bleed the fuel system 
once a filter has been changed.
Changing the fuel filters will reveal a lot since you’ll be able to see what’s 
contaminating the fuel system or causing a blockage.  Its conceivable that your 
primary (or lift) fuel pump that brings fuel to the engine from the fuel tank 
may have a worn or leaky diaphragm. Look for traces of diesel around the edges 
of the pump housing.   An easy fix but harder to diagnose if you can get the 
engine to run a full speed after you change the filters.  
 Not sure what marine education options are available in Halifax but its always 
good to think about taking a marine diesel course for peace of mind.  I did it 
about 5 years ago at Annapolis School of Seamanship and it’s given me 
confidence to do some basic problem solving and service myself.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 Landfall 35
Padanaram, MA
 
From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com (mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF


 

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.
 




-- 
Joel Delamirande

www.jdroofing.ca (http://www.jdroofing.ca)
 




 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[jameshesketh via CnC-List]

Just had the same symptoms on my Yanmar Sb8.
My exhaust elbow was almost completely blocked causing excessive back pressure. 

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 9:38 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the 
> bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks 
> one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is 
> right but I don't think so. 
> 
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
> 
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>  

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Mixing elbow can cause problems like you experienced.

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: June-26-22 12:40 PM
To: Josh ; Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

 

Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter layup.

Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a fuel 
issue

On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:

Is the bottom and prop clean? 

 

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
 :


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat 

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C 32 - #277 
Halifax, N.S. 

 

 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

With the 12 knot breeze, were there some moderate waves?  Was the boat
hobby horsing?  If so, you might have stirred up sediments in the tank.  2
years is long enough for them to form.  This is a situation where a vacuum
gauge on the system would be helpful.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 8:38 AM Robert Abbott via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out
> heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the
> engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed
> to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start
> to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke
> to him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel
> problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should
> be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel
> filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
> fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.
>
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
>
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>

Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

The mechanic took a quick look on Friday and felt it was a fuel 
issuemaybe dirty filters (although the tank was out of the boat 2 
years ago and pressure cleaned, both primary and secondary fuel filters 
changed at the same time).


Chuck, I did that myself (didn't repair the bottom of the tank) but 
everything elseemptied the fuel tank of 15 gallons of diesel 
(donated it to the club's tractor), took the tank to a machine shop 
where they repaired the two pin holes, put it back in, new fuel and new 
fuel filters.


The mechanic did notice some diesel leaking from a line fitting going 
into the small Yanmar fuel filter said a quarter inch tightening 
might solve the problem as this might be an air leak.


When I said earlier the engine has not been serviced in 16 years, I 
meant it had not had a diesel mechanic service it.I do an oil change 
every Fall, fuel filters changed regularly, have replaced all the engine 
hoses, air filter, water and alternator belts, water pump impellers, 
etc.  This work i do myself but when it comes to more complicated 
things, \i will leave that to the mechanics who know what they are doing 
(or should)


If it something like dirty or failed fuel injectors, a failed fuel pump, 
etc, etc, best the mechanic diagnose the problem and fix it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- #277
Halifax, N.S.



On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:03 AM Novabraid via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Rob,

Recommending two things:

1. Change both filters and perform this task annually (or more
often if your source of diesel is questionable.)

2. Find out if your mechanic is willing to have you “help” perform
the filter change as it will likely be the first thing he’ll want
to do.  You really need to learn how to make filter changes and to
learn how to bleed the fuel system once a filter has been changed.

Changing the fuel filters will reveal a lot since you’ll be able
to see what’s contaminating the fuel system or causing a blockage.
Its conceivable that your primary (or lift) fuel pump that brings
fuel to the engine from the fuel tank may have a worn or leaky
diaphragm. Look for traces of diesel around the edges of the pump
housing.   An easy fix but harder to diagnose if you can get the
engine to run a full speed after you change the filters.

 Not sure what marine education options are available in Halifax
but its always good to think about taking a marine diesel course
for peace of mind.  I did it about 5 years ago at Annapolis School
of Seamanship and it’s given me confidence to do some basic
problem solving and service myself.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

*From:* Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Robert Abbott 
*Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring
out heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's
and found the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine
diesel's are not supposed to be that complicated but they are to
me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble shootgetting a
mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told him
the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not
getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I
had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters
replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump,
etc.  the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I
have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

--
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Your lucky.  My new-to-me boat (Catalina 387) has only been in the water for a 
month or so and the bottom is a mess.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Formerly 1982 C 32 FoxFire (for sale)
Swan Creek
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:40:02 AM
To: Josh ; Stus-List 
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter layup.

Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a fuel 
issue

On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:
Is the bottom and prop clean?


Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
:

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Bottom and prop is cleanboat is launched every Spring after Winter 
layup.


Checked the throttle cable and that seems to be finemost likely a 
fuel issue


On 2022-06-26 11:44 a.m., Josh wrote:

Is the bottom and prop clean?

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring
out heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's
and found the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine
diesel's are not supposed to be that complicated but they are to
me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble shootgetting a
mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told him
the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not
getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I
had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters
replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump,
etc.  the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I
have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Josh via CnC-List]

Is the bottom and prop clean?

Jun 26, 2022 09:39:09 Robert Abbott via CnC-List :

> 
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
> into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
> wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be 
> that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to 
> trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to 
> him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine 
> not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the 
> bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks 
> one or both of the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is 
> right but I don't think so.
> 
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
> 
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>  

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Barry McKee via CnC-List]

Had a Yanmar 2GM on my previous boat.  Regular service is the key to best 
performance on any engine.  After 16 years, it might be a good idea.  Benign 
neglect will do you in every time.

 

Barry McKee

C 29 Mk I “Discovery II”

Burlington, ON

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: 26-Jun-22 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

 


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

 

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Great advice chuck

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:03 AM Novabraid via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Rob,
>
> Recommending two things:
>
> 1. Change both filters and perform this task annually (or more often if
> your source of diesel is questionable.)
>
> 2. Find out if your mechanic is willing to have you “help” perform the
> filter change as it will likely be the first thing he’ll want to do.  You
> really need to learn how to make filter changes and to learn how to bleed
> the fuel system once a filter has been changed.
>
> Changing the fuel filters will reveal a lot since you’ll be able to see
> what’s contaminating the fuel system or causing a blockage.  Its
> conceivable that your primary (or lift) fuel pump that brings fuel to the
> engine from the fuel tank may have a worn or leaky diaphragm. Look for
> traces of diesel around the edges of the pump housing.   An easy fix but
> harder to diagnose if you can get the engine to run a full speed after you
> change the filters.
>
>  Not sure what marine education options are available in Halifax but its
> always good to think about taking a marine diesel course for peace of
> mind.  I did it about 5 years ago at Annapolis School of Seamanship and
> it’s given me confidence to do some basic problem solving and service
> myself.
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 Landfall 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Robert Abbott 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF
>
>
>
>
> Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out
> heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the
> engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed
> to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start
> to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke
> to him and told him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel
> problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should
> be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel
> filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are restricting the
> fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.
>
> Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.
> the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat
>
> Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
-- 
Joel Delamirande
*www.jdroofing.ca *

Stus-List Re: Yanmar 2 GMF

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

Rob,

Recommending two things:

1. Change both filters and perform this task annually (or more often if your 
source of diesel is questionable.) 

2. Find out if your mechanic is willing to have you “help” perform the filter 
change as it will likely be the first thing he’ll want to do.  You really need 
to learn how to make filter changes and to learn how to bleed the fuel system 
once a filter has been changed.

Changing the fuel filters will reveal a lot since you’ll be able to see what’s 
contaminating the fuel system or causing a blockage.  Its conceivable that your 
primary (or lift) fuel pump that brings fuel to the engine from the fuel tank 
may have a worn or leaky diaphragm. Look for traces of diesel around the edges 
of the pump housing.   An easy fix but harder to diagnose if you can get the 
engine to run a full speed after you change the filters.  

 Not sure what marine education options are available in Halifax but its always 
good to think about taking a marine diesel course for peace of mind.  I did it 
about 5 years ago at Annapolis School of Seamanship and it’s given me 
confidence to do some basic problem solving and service myself.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List  
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Abbott 
Subject: Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

 


Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out heading 
into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found the engine 
wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not supposed to be that 
complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know where to start to trouble 
shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it this week.  I spoke to him and told 
him the situation and he thinks it is a fuel problemengine not getting 
enough fuelmy fuel tank and fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it 
replaced 2 years ago and the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of 
the filters are restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't 
think so. 

Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  the 
engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat

Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

 

Stus-List Yanmar 2 GMF

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Went to take the boat out Friday for a short sail .motoring out 
heading into a12 knt breezestarted to increase the RPM's and found 
the engine wouldn't rev about 2,100 RPM's marine diesel's are not 
supposed to be that complicated but they are to me.  I wouldn't know 
where to start to trouble shootgetting a mechanic to deal with it 
this week.  I spoke to him and told him the situation and he thinks it 
is a fuel problemengine not getting enough fuelmy fuel tank and 
fuel should be clean as I had the bottom of it replaced 2 years ago and 
the 2 fuel filters replaced. He thinks one or both of the filters are 
restricting the fuel flow.I hope he is right but I don't think so.


Possibly many are causesrestricted fuel injectors, fuel pump, etc.  
the engine has never been serviced in the 16 years I have had the boat


Any insight or guidance to help greatly appreciated.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.