Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I really think you would notice a difference by leaving the Asym on the
deck until near the windward mark, you might try that once and see if it
makes a difference between you and your nemesis. Not a good comparison, but
when we pull our asym up (in a sock, tho, ) it really makes things wonky.

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 6:34 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a regular crew that has been together for seven years.  When we fly
> the symmetrical I’m on foredeck, and probably will be with the asym too
> (working its furling line).  I’m confident our sail changes will be faster
> with furling genoa and furling asym than with the previous  genoa luff rope
> in a head foil, and symmetrical in a sock with big heavy spin pole.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> On Jul 12, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Do you race your 30 single handed or with crew. If with good crew i think
> your symetrical kite hoists and take downs would be close to seemless sail
> transtions and very fast. I hope changing gear makes the difference you are
> looking for but you may still need help from good crew and you may still
> need to make some good tactical decisions that turn out lucky decisions.
> Gear changes will affect ratings.  Ratings assume equal crew. Your crew
> might be more important to success.
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Can't help with the diameter, Joe, got 22's on my 25, and 25's, 28's, and 32's 
on Imzadi.

To prevent losing anything over the side, go to Office Depot and buy a 
cardboard box that is X by X by X, where X is a comfortable amount larger than 
the diameter of your winch base. I use 4" larger myself.

Or you can go to the post office and get a large flat rate priority mail box. 
Probably larger than you need, but it is free.

Assemble the box and remove the top flaps. Cut a hole in the bottom the 
diameter of the winch base. Put the box over the winch, and anything that jumps 
and anything you drop or spill falls into the box.

As far a springs go, as someone already said there is a source for Barient 
parts in New Zealand, though I don't believe it is Arco.
But check with your local West Marine first, that is where the packet of spare 
pawl springs for my Barient winches came from a few years ago, and I presume 
they still sell them.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC
-Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jul 13, 2022 2:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions

Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?
Thanks!
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

If I remember correctly Hutton marine in Australia carries winch parts.
Shipping is fairly quick. I got springs, and a bunch of other parts from
them.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 11:22 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35
> MK I?
>
> Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard
> can I still get more?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

 
 
  
   get a box larger than the winch and cut a hole in the bottom that is same size as winch base. Put towels in bottom of box so nothing bounces. Not you can safely take the winch apart and properly clean and grease.
   
  
  
   
On 07/13/2022 2:34 PM Matthew via CnC-List  wrote:
   
   

   
   

   
   
As a follow-up, I have one on my boat and can take one or more measurements if you want.


 
  From: Matthew via CnC-List  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:33 PMTo: 'Stus-List' Cc: Matthew Subject: Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions
 


As I recall, there is an Australian winch company (ARCO?) that has drawings with specs from the old Barient winches.  The company also sells parts, but there’s the whole international customs thing.  There may also be some info on the C&C website.


 
  From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:23 PMTo: Stus-List Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions
 



 Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
 Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I still get more?
 Thanks!
 Joe
 Coquina

   
  
 

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I suggest cutting a winch size hole in the bottom of a cardboard box and 
dropping it over the winch before disassembly. The box may catch any springy 
bits that pop loose.

There’s several winch disassembly diagrams on the CnC Photo Album web site.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

On Jul 13, 2022, at 11:22 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?
Thanks!
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Matthew via CnC-List]

As a follow-up, I have one on my boat and can take one or more measurements if 
you want.

 

From: Matthew via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:33 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

 

As I recall, there is an Australian winch company (ARCO?) that has drawings 
with specs from the old Barient winches.  The company also sells parts, but 
there’s the whole international customs thing.  There may also be some info on 
the C&C website.

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:23 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions

 

Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?

Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?

Thanks!

Joe

Coquina

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Matthew via CnC-List]

As I recall, there is an Australian winch company (ARCO?) that has drawings 
with specs from the old Barient winches.  The company also sells parts, but 
there’s the whole international customs thing.  There may also be some info on 
the C&C website.

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:23 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions

 

Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?

Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?

Thanks!

Joe

Coquina

Stus-List Re: Barient 26 winch questions

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe

Can't help on the diameter.
Diagram: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/winches8.htm
Lewmar springs/pawls should fit just fine.

Joel
(still lurking)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:23 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35
> MK I?
>
> Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard
> can I still get more?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>


-- 
Joel

Stus-List Barient 26 winch questions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does anyone know the drum diameter of the Barient 26s that are on the 35 MK I?
Also do I dare take them apart for greasing? If a spring shoots overboard can I 
still get more?
Thanks!
Joe
Coquina

Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

The sock is likely slower for dousing as well.  Not sure how fast furling a 
spinnaker is.  The one I once used was a continuous line furling system in 
Newport Bermuda race in 2012 on a 43 ft boat (it was new that year).  It was a 
very slow process to furl that spinnaker and we had problems with the furling 
system as well.  I think it would be good for short handed sailing

We had a sock on Persistence.  It came with the asym that the PO purchased and 
was delivered just a few weeks before we bought the boat (my favourite way to 
get sails).  I found the sock to be a PITA.  However when we went on a cruise 
our friend who was sailing with us loved it.  I think we have flown the asym 
less than a dozen times over the 9 seasons we have had the boat.  It is a 
cruising cut though so not much use when racing as we can carry the sym just as 
far forward and is easier to fly in almost all wind directions.

I am interested to hear how you make out with the new setup.  If I read your 
posts correctly you are sailing short legs so a furling spin would take away 
the need for packing the spin.  That will be interesting.

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS


From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: July 12, 2022 7:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim

I have a regular crew that has been together for seven years.  When we fly the 
symmetrical I’m on foredeck, and probably will be with the asym too (working 
its furling line).  I’m confident our sail changes will be faster with furling 
genoa and furling asym than with the previous  genoa luff rope in a head foil, 
and symmetrical in a sock with big heavy spin pole.

Cheers,
Randy


On Jul 12, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Do you race your 30 single handed or with crew. If with good crew i think your 
symetrical kite hoists and take downs would be close to seemless sail 
transtions and very fast. I hope changing gear makes the difference you are 
looking for but you may still need help from good crew and you may still need 
to make some good tactical decisions that turn out lucky decisions. Gear 
changes will affect ratings.  Ratings assume equal crew. Your crew might be 
more important to success.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 11:25 AM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I do want to whoop my main competitor!  Or at least compete with him.  He’s the 
one who started an arms race in the fleet, by adding a bowsprit, asym, and 
top-down furler two years ago.  That and a furling genoa is now the minimum 
ante in the fleet.  At the windward mark he could furl his genoa and unfurl his 
asym in 30 seconds, while it took me several minutes to set the spin pole, 
hoist the symmetrical, hoist its dousing sock, and drop the genoa.  There was 
no way I could compete.

Cheers,
Randy



On Jul 11, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Wow, you must really want to whoop your main competitor!

I guess that's what we do - it's just boat bucks!

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 9:46 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers I am appealing to your collective wisdom on rigging and trimming an 
asymmetrical spinnaker.

For Grenadine’s 50th birthday this year, I added a new furling genoa on a new 
Selden 204S furler, a retractable Selden 75 bowsprit, and an A2 asymmetrical 
spinnaker on a Selden GX10 top-down furler.  I’m installing the latter two 
birthday presents on Tuesday.

This is all to improve my downwind performance, and facilitate fast upwind / 
downwind sail plan changes at the marks and on the course, in my club’s races.

I guess my specific questions are as follows, but I would appreciate any 
additional tips you old salts might offer.

1. Leading the tack line - I’m repurposing the foredeck padeye and block, 
side-deck fairleads, and cabin-side cam cleat for my former pole down line to 
run the asym tack line, which of course goes through the bowsprit lengthwise.  
My pole down line is too short to be the asym tack line, so I’ve repurposed a 
little-used genoa sheet.  I figure if the deck hardware was sufficient for a 
symmetrical pole down line, it ought to suffice for an asym tack line.  Am I 
wrong?

2. Where to put the turning blocks for the asym sheets: same place as for the 
symmetrical, or farther forward?  For the symmetrical turning blocks I use 
snatch blocks at the stern pulpit braces.

3. What winch to lead to / where to trim from?  My main competitor leads his 
asym sheets to cabintop winches, and trims from the windward side deck so the 
trimmer can see the whole sail.

4. When and how much to ease the tack line?  By default I assume it’s tensioned 
so that the aysm’s tack is at the bowsprit and the luff is taut, but it can be 
eased - how much, and under what conditions?

Thanks in advance for any wisdom you mmight share.

Fun f