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I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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I have been using Navionics for the past 4 years for Great Lakes cruising. Best investment I ever made when it comes to navigation. You won’t be sorry. Barry McKee C&C 29 Mk I “Discovery II Bronte, Ontario From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: 27-Oct-22 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Chuck: I’ve been using Navionics on a pedestal-mounted iPad for years (also have it on my phone), and it works fine for what I need on Lake Erie. However, I was chastised by someone on this list for previously reporting this. Apparently, the lister believed that only a Chart Plotter is sufficient for “true” navigation. That may well be true for other parts of the country. Matt P.S. I still have charts on board if dead reckoning becomes necessary. From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Works great with Apple products. The only issue I have with Navionics is that you need a specific version if you want to interface with Garmin gear. Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:02:51 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Unless it improved recently, the Navionics display of AIS targets is about 20 years behind everyone else’s. If you don’t care about that it is a decent program. I have been using Aquamap and SeaIQ on the i-things and OpenCPN on the computer. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I Kent Island MD USA From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 1:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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I will add that Navionics stops upgrading on older iPads, rendering them of dubious value for important updates (like depth changes). From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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Have on with a mini ipad w/waterproof case and swing mount on my pedestal. Have the phone version too. Really fun when I fly for work to see how the speed/course. John McCrea Talisman 1979 36-1 Mystic, CT From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:10 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Neil Andersen Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Works great with Apple products. The only issue I have with Navionics is that you need a specific version if you want to interface with Garmin gear. Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 _ From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:02:51 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Hi Chuck I had Navionics on my Windows Surface tablet running windows 8.1 RT. I had all the charts and price was good. Loved it When I upgraded to a Windows 10 tablet Navionics was available but the charts were not. Even if I owned them. That was not running a tablet OS but rather actual Windows 10 that would be on a computer. Just upgraded tablet to Samsung Galaxy A8 (very affordable). Navionics on my Samsung S21 available for free on this tablet and includes all charts. Is great Not sure Mac OS on their laptops works for the apple version or if it is restricted like the Windows 10 version was. Also not sure if Garmin has opened up Navionics (Boating HD actually) on PCs running Windows to be able to get the charts since I last tried. Any way. Small warning to those expecting to use this great app on a laptop that it may not work Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 2:47 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> > Subject: Stus-List Navionics I've always paid for Garmin updates and enjoyed their products. But I saw Navionics on a friend's tablet and thought I'd try that. I paid $21 for an annual subscription to Navionics for the entire US and Canada. and the same subscription applies to three devices; my PC, my cell phone and a future tablet. I think it's well worth the price as I can plan routes on my laptop, and now have a plotter on my cell phone, so it's always with me, no matter what boat I'm on. I know I'm late to the party on this, so any advice on using it is appreciated. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R, Magothy River, Md
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FWIW, I use WAZE in the car running on my cell phone. It warns of police and heavy traffic based on so many other WAZE users on the same highway. I expect it may not be long before boats are shown on other boat's chartplotters as Navionics users. I expect they will add a symbal to, "make my vessel show as an AIS target on other plotters". All the data is being tracked anyway. Think I'll buy a tablet for the pedestal before buying AIS. Chuck S
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Waze is a power hog. Better have your phone plugged in. I really like my RAM mount for the iPad. A ball is “permanently” attached (U-bolted) to the top of the pedestal and stays in place. The rest of the mount attaches to the ball and is stowed down below when not in use. I typically use my iPad for two things: 1) Navionics when I need to navigate (sometimes including depth concerns); and 2) the countdown timer for starting races. Simple but effective. Matt From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 2:48 PM To: cnc-list CNC boat owners Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER Subject: Stus-List AIS on Navionics FWIW, I use WAZE in the car running on my cell phone. It warns of police and heavy traffic based on so many other WAZE users on the same highway. I expect it may not be long before boats are shown on other boat's chartplotters as Navionics users. I expect they will add a symbal to, "make my vessel show as an AIS target on other plotters". All the data is being tracked anyway. Think I'll buy a tablet for the pedestal before buying AIS. Chuck S
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I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone+52 669-267-4740 phone
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Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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Paul; The inaccuracy may not be with the data in Navionics, it may be the result of the location information in the phone. When I got my current Samsung (android) phone I had the option of using a “standard” or “precise” location (or some term to that effect). My presumption was that precise was determined by GPS and standard was integrated based on the available cell phone towers, which is inherently less accurate. I know that the emergency response folks in my community take the location information they get from people using cell phones as approximate, and are trained to ask for visible landmarks to be more precise so they can give first responders a more accurate location description. I know I’ve used Google Maps on my phone and IPad in the car for directions, and I’ve noted that my current location on the map often shows up as maybe 200-300 feet northwest of my driveway. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Paul Hood via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:54 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: 'Hoyt, Mike' ; Paul Hood Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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Rick, I agree with you, could be the phone. This should at least be a note to all those that use the phone to navigate….check your settings and accuracy before you assume. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: October 27, 2022 9:03 PM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Paul; The inaccuracy may not be with the data in Navionics, it may be the result of the location information in the phone. When I got my current Samsung (android) phone I had the option of using a “standard” or “precise” location (or some term to that effect). My presumption was that precise was determined by GPS and standard was integrated based on the available cell phone towers, which is inherently less accurate. I know that the emergency response folks in my community take the location information they get from people using cell phones as approximate, and are trained to ask for visible landmarks to be more precise so they can give first responders a more accurate location description. I know I’ve used Google Maps on my phone and IPad in the car for directions, and I’ve noted that my current location on the map often shows up as maybe 200-300 feet northwest of my driveway. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Paul Hood via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:54 PM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: 'Hoyt, Mike' mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Paul Hood mailto:paul.h...@rogers.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics Several times this summer I’m running through narrow channels using my chart plotter and although I am visibly in the center of the channel, and my plotter shows I’m in the center, my wife’s android phone with Navionics shows us on land. That happened 3 times in different locations. My friend was on the boat earlier in the summer and his iPhone/Navionics identified the same problem, different location. My plotter always seemed to be correct, while the Navionics on the phones doesn’t give me the confidence. I’m in a rocky area and 50ft variation can be the difference between a hole in the bottom or not. I’m sure the variation between devices was 100-200ft. I use the Navionics as a backup at best. Thanks, Paul Hood 416-799-5549 From: Doug via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Hoyt, Mike mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com> >; Doug mailto:svrebeccal...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
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As you point out, Navionics is owned by Garmin. The new chart plotter that I bought a few months ago came with Bluechart G2 charts standard, and Navionics charts were a no cost option. For a fee I could upgrade to Bluechart G3, which was basically the same Garmin charts with extra functionality. With G3 you could put in the draft, air draft, etc. of your boat and when you routed from point A to point B, for example, the plotter would lay out a route curving around shoals and shallows and keeping you from going under bridges too low for the mast height you enter. (Which is pretty cool, but is basically the functionality I’ve seen on Garmin products sold to over the road truckers who have to avoid going under short bridges and worry about length and weight restrictions among other stuff.) My preference is for the Bluecharts, mainly because the depth color shading and symbols used are those on a NOAA printed chart, whereas Navionics has always shown a different pattern for depth shading and used a different set of symbols for ATNs. So I installed the Bluechart G2 charts. After downloading the charts and registering the plotter (or maybe it was the charts) I also had the option of installing them on my other devices. So I have the same charts on my IPad Air (which I use when doing deliveries and such) and on my laptop. A few days ago I got an email from Garmin announcing a new line of chart plotters being introduced. The basic charts are Navionics, with Garmin charts as an option. IIRC, when I decide to update the (relatively recent) charts on my chart plotter – and other devices including what shows up in Active Captain - the North American charts will cost the better part of $200. I suppose the higher cost for the charts on the Garmin plotter vs the low cost of the Navionics mobile app for an IPad or phone is because there are a lot more folks using the mobile devices than boaters keeping up to date charts in their chart plotters. So the cost of maintaining the chart database is spread out a lot more widely. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: Doug via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2022 5:03 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Hoyt, Mike ; Doug Subject: Stus-List Re: Navionics I have Navionics on both of my android phones and on my chart plotters. I have found here in mexico that the charts on the plotter aren't as accurate as on the androids. You would think that for $250 for the plotter Navionics charts they would be more accurate than the $21 phone charts. Just voicing my displeasure in Navionics. Which BTW is owned by Garmin. Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39 Port Orchard Yacht Club +1 253-208-1412 WhatsApp&phone +52 669-267-4740 phone
