Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Kite jibing--end for end or dip pole?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Dip pole for me. IMHO it is safer.
(of course now I hardly use the pole, a gybe is about as easy as gybing the 
genoa in asym mode)
Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: Kite jibing--end for end or dip pole?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I favor end for end, too. As the boat gets bigger and wind pipes up perhaps sheets and guys on each clew will help. But the main point (and I’m coming into this chat late so I may have missed it), is it’s all on the helmsman. Just hold the boat downwind until the gybe is complete. Unless you have to go straight to a reach for tactical reasons, then just get the pole off quick and don’t worry about reattaching right away; just gybe and let the new tack rest on the headstay. Then worry about getting the pole on later.AndyAndrew Burton26 Beacon HillNewport, RI USA    02840http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260On Nov 12, 2023, at 22:33, Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:It's a UK sock.--Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 6:36 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:Is it a VF Shaw Chutescoop?Bill Coleman On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 18:51 Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:Always an interesting topic.  True, conventional wisdom says end for end (EFE) up to 35 feet.  Also agree EFE is faster.  Don't disagree that dip pole (DP) gybing is safer.  We do end for end gybes on Touche'.  Our pole is 3.5 inch aluminum.Regardless of EFE or DP gybing, I think the most important concept of gybing is the philosophy or mentality of the crew.  Whereas many crew tend to think a gybe is the chute coming across the boat, I prefer to visualize the boat turning under the chute.  That is, the chute, and its aspect to the wind doesn't really change.  The chute is moving down the course and the boat turns side to side under it.  To me, it's a subtle but significant way to visualize gybing.  The helmsperson really needs that visualization when gybing.On a side note, I spent 2 hours this morning patching holes in an asymmetrical chute, its snuffing sock and storage bag.  It's a chute I got from a dock buddy for doing some work on his boat.  It should fit Touche'.  The chute was stored on top of his batteries.  The holes were from battery acid.Next is fitting the snuffing sock with a new metal hoop.  The old one is broken.  It collapsed on the chute and grabbed it so it wouldn't go up or down.
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Stus-List Re: Kite jibing--end for end or dip pole?

[Rod via CnC-List]

End for end using lazy sheets and guys when the wind gets up to 15 knots or 
above on my boat.  That may vary depending upon the boat, especially the older 
IOR designs, they can be very squirrely downwind.

 

Rod

 

From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 8:05 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Kite jibing--end for end or dip pole?

 

I favor end for end, too. As the boat gets bigger and wind pipes up perhaps 
sheets and guys on each clew will help. But the main point (and I’m coming into 
this chat late so I may have missed it), is it’s all on the helmsman. Just hold 
the boat downwind until the gybe is complete. Unless you have to go straight to 
a reach for tactical reasons, then just get the pole off quick and don’t worry 
about reattaching right away; just gybe and let the new tack rest on the 
headstay. Then worry about getting the pole on later.

 

Andy

Andrew Burton

26 Beacon Hill

Newport, RI 

USA02840

 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

+401 965-5260





On Nov 12, 2023, at 22:33, Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



It's a UK sock.

 

--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 6:36 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Is it a VF Shaw Chutescoop?

Bill Coleman 

 

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 18:51 Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Always an interesting topic.  True, conventional wisdom says end for end (EFE) 
up to 35 feet.  Also agree EFE is faster.  Don't disagree that dip pole (DP) 
gybing is safer.  We do end for end gybes on Touche'.  Our pole is 3.5 inch 
aluminum.

 

Regardless of EFE or DP gybing, I think the most important concept of gybing is 
the philosophy or mentality of the crew.  Whereas many crew tend to think a 
gybe is the chute coming across the boat, I prefer to visualize the boat 
turning under the chute.  That is, the chute, and its aspect to the wind 
doesn't really change.  The chute is moving down the course and the boat turns 
side to side under it.  To me, it's a subtle but significant way to visualize 
gybing.  The helmsperson really needs that visualization when gybing.

 

On a side note, I spent 2 hours this morning patching holes in an asymmetrical 
chute, its snuffing sock and storage bag.  It's a chute I got from a dock buddy 
for doing some work on his boat.  It should fit Touche'.  The chute was stored 
on top of his batteries.  The holes were from battery acid.

 

Next is fitting the snuffing sock with a new metal hoop.  The old one is 
broken.  It collapsed on the chute and grabbed it so it wouldn't go up or down.

 

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