Re: Stus-List Overheating 3GMD - the plot thickens

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My raw water cooled Yanmar 2qm15 would start with a normal flow of water. 
On restarting after a sail, no water flow. This repeated regularly until 
the thermostat was changed. 

Ed

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Re: Stus-List factory reefing arrangement C&C 30MK 1

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Curtis:

The link to Harken will give you an idea of how to set up jiffy reefing. 

http://www.harken.com/content.aspx?id=3900

Ed

Dream Girl '71 C&C 30 (for sale)
Briar Patch '81 C&C 34 



From:   Curtis 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   05/10/2013 12:00 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List factory reefing arrangement C&C 30MK 1
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/LightAir-1.jpg


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/Jibcar.jpg

Here is what mi boom looks like. I wish someone could draw a diagrapam
so I could run it correctly. I looks like what you discribed


On 5/10/13, Rick Bushie  wrote:
> Anchovy (hull#1) has a roller boom. I put in two line slab reefing for 
both
> reefs led back to the cockpit.  This arrangement works very well but I'm
> switching out the double braid I originally used with dyneema or spectra 
to
> cut down on the effort required to overcome friction.
>
> Rick Bushie
> s/v Anchovy, 30-1, Hull #1
> Worton Creek, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Security question

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My kids have had life vest and foul weather gear, all with their names in 
indelible marker, walk away from the yacht club area, never to be 
returned. I had a #2 genoa with the old style Schaeffer furling gear 
(before foils) in the trunk of my car when the car was stolen. The car was 
recovered in part minus the sail and gear and I cannot say that there is 
much of a market for those items in New Orleans. Then there is E-Bay. 
Could you recognize your stolen snatch blocks or winch handles? A lock may 
not help with the prepared thief but it will work with the opportunistic 
hunter. And with a lock, you are not misrepresenting facts to your 
insurance company. 

Ed L. 
Briar Patch C&C 34 #336
New Orleans, La.




From:   "Dennis C." 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" , 
Date:   04/26/2013 02:16 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Security question
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 Marek said "However, I also left on a few occasions the snatchblocks on 
the toe rail and found them untouched a week later."

Ever seen a snatch block in a pawn shop?  How many drug dealers accept 
snatch blocks as payment?

As I said earlier, there's not much demand for used marine stuff and it's 
outside the normal realm of most thieves.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
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Stus-List Classified Add

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Stu

I'm sorry to hear news of your burglary. 

I am sure you have more worries than helping with the following. I have finally 
put an add on the web site but I am not having success editing it and adding 
pictures. I get to the "Edit" screen but cannot delete or add.

Ed Levert
elev...@grayinsco.com


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Stus-List AC Water Pumps

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When I purchased the C&C 34 in November, I knew the AC was inoperable. The 
unit is a Mermaid 16500 BTU AC/Heat. We have diagnosed the problem as a 
bad pump. I wanted to match the pump to the main unit and I was waiting to 
order a Mermaid pump from Defender only to find that Defender removed the 
Mermaid pump from its stock apparently with the 2013 catalog. Assuming 
that other brands of pumps produce the same flow capacity, it there any 
reason to match the same brand? Like diesel horsepower where generally 
more is better, is a pump with greater capacity better or more durable? Or 
is it overkill?

Ed
New Orleans
C&C 34 "Briar Patch"
C&C 30 "Dream Girl" (For Sale)

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Re: Stus-List Bitter End Y/C

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Paradise ! First class + + + + + + +.

Honeymooned there in 1981 and have dropped in several times while bare 
boating. The property is quite extensive and I cannot pull up on the web 
site a map where the Garden Rooms are. My guess is that they are rooms on 
the south side of the property and much further away from the main dining 
area/reception desk/bar. The North Sound rooms face North Sound and are 
much closer to the dining area, etc. Did not need AC in June. Be aware 
that many of the rooms are on the side of the hill. It is a trade off 
whether you want to climb for the better view or be lower to the beach 
with a perfectly adequate view. My recommendation would be the North Sound 
rooms unless you want to face to the North and Eustatia Reef with 
spectacular views. Anywhere at the Bitter End should be a great time. 
Enjoy.

Ed
Dreamgirl C&C 30 Mk 1 (for Sale)
Unnamed C&C 34



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   02/21/2013 07:24 AM
Subject:Stus-List Bitter End Y/C
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



We are going to the Pro-Am this fall at the Bitter End Y/C and would like 
any insight to the resort and advice on which rooms to stay in.  It is at 
the end of October and we are looking at the Garden rooms (no AC) or North 
sound rooms(AC).  Any one been down there? thanks, RR


Ryan Raber
Scapa C&C 34r #9
Falmouth, Maine


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Re: Stus-List Sextant

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I will add another element to the GPS/Sextant thread. It is a story I read 
years ago in a magazine. 

A circumnavigator was in French Polynesia and was given a set of old 
charts of the Indian Ocean and approach to the Red Sea. Though old, the 
donor claimed he had used the charts and that they were accurate. As the 
circumnavigator approached the Arabian coast line, his celestial fix and 
his Sat-Nav fix did not agree with a distinct landmark on the chart - a 
mountain. His position was roughly 100 miles off.  Perplexed, he hove to 
for several days until he found the answer in the corner of the chart. The 
chart, being of French origin, had the prime meridian through Paris, 
France and not Greenwich,  England. Now with the correction, the 
circumnavigator was able to fix his position.

The moral is to use every means of navigation at your disposal 
particularly when approaching unfamiliar shores, islands, and shoals. 

Ed
C&C 30 Mk 1 Dreamgirl
C&C 34 (To be named)
New Orleans



From:   Martin DeYoung 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" , 
Date:   01/29/2013 02:12 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Sextant
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At the finish of Transpac the RC sends out a trawler with a big ?Follow 
Me? sign prominently displayed.
 
This practice began shortly after a race boat went on the Waikiki reef by 
not correctly identifying the Ala Wai Marina channel.  I believe the 
official report also noted the alcohol may have been a factor.
 
Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

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Barba, Joe
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Hint: Don?t tell the Sunfish rental guy you were miles out to sea. They 
get annoyed for some reason.
 
Joe Della Barba
 
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Burton
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Nice, Joe. : )

The old red lightship with "Nantucket" in big letters on the side is often 
anchored outside Newport harbor. I imagine there are some who are a bit 
confused by this. 

I've got to try your Jamaica trick, though. That's classic!
 
Bermuda is harder in some ways. As the many wrecks can attest to, you can 
be on the reefs before you see the island.

We did create some confusion by sailing a Sunfish west from the island 
until you couldn't see land and waiting for an incoming
boat. Their expression when we said "Welcome to Jamaica" was priceless.



Joe Della Barba



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Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sextant



Some people have used jet contrails to find Hawaii.



Steve Thomas



-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 12:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sextant
Those were the days!

Joel Aronson




On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:30 PM, "Della Barba, Joe" < joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov 
 > wrote:

We used a sextant to find Bermuda in 1980 and it was a major PITA. In 
rough seas on a small boat getting any accuracy beyond maybe
+/- 15 miles is doing very well. Just taking the sight and not falling 
overboard or dropping the sextant was an accomplishment. We
ended up running a latitude line north of the island until we picked up 
the radio beacon on the RDF and followed that in.

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

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Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay

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Using Dennis' example, I must have been the atypical owner following 
Katrina. Proceeds from my over insured  '71 C&C 27 were used to upgrade to 
a '71 C&C 30. Diesel, wheel, and solid deck core were a definite upgrade 
which I could not have afforded otherwise. 

Katrina damage to the fleet in the harbor where I moored was extensive. 
The infrastructure of the harbor also took a hit which has not been 
touched as of today. The harbor is owned by the City of New Orleans, we 
are "yacht" owners. You can figure where we stand on the priority list. We 
make do with crumbling piers, no water and no electricity. There are 
currently about 160 useable slips out of a 600 slip marina. My guess is 
that 100-125 boats, almost entirely sailboats,  are new to the marina 
since Katrina. People spent money and effort to bring them here.  To this 
day, I am amazed how few are ever used or for that matter even looked at 
by their owners. This includes storm preparations during Hurricane Isaac 
in August. I am further amazed by a part of the harbor I will call a 
graveyard. Upwards of a dozen sail boats with little or no storm damage 
were abandoned by their owners after Katrina. Pearson 26 & 30, Columbia 
29, Ranger 33, Pearson Ariel, They have sunk or are being allowed to sink. 
All boats which could serve to satisfy someone's sailing urges on a little 
budget. Boats which could have been seized by the city and sold, proceeds 
to go to the harbor rebuilding. 

As to the other part of this thread, sometimes in life a blind squirrel 
finds the acorn. I bought a 1981 C&C 34 in November from an estate. The 
boat had been on the market for over 1 year which I guess you could call a 
soft market.. Through the broker, I convinced the widow that she had more 
reasons to sell than I needed another boat. The important parts, hull, 
deck, keel joint surveyed well. I have become more pleased with the 
purchase with each passing day. Four Raymarine instruments 1 year old, 
Autohelm works, upgraded to a Yanmar 3GM 30 with only 270 hours on it, and 
numerous other items that an owner likely would have taken to his next 
boat. My major expenses have been a head rebuild kit, ground fault 
interrupter sockets, and buying more rub rail footage from South Shore 
than I will ever use to repair storm damage.  I will have to replace the 
two propane tanks, add a propane solenoid switch, and replace the air 
conditioning water pump. The latter two items will be spring time 
projects.  My sons will have to buy their own sails if they want to race. 

Ed
C&C 30 Dream Girl (for sale)
C&C 34 (To Be Renamed)
New Orleans, La.





From:   "Dennis C." 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" , 
Date:   01/17/2013 12:56 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



Seller's market?  Perhaps.  After Katrina I didn't see a strong market. 
Many owners took the insurance money and ran or bought smaller boats. 

Typical example:  41 footer destroyed; replaced with J22. 

Maybe Ed Levert can share more insight from the New Orleans side of the 
lake. 

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "djhaug...@juno.com"  
wrote:

You Know, I just read an article that talked about the boat market over 
this next year.  It said that the market would favor sellers in that, 
Hurricane sandy destroyed so many boats, the market would be flooded with 
buyers.  Couple that with the boat companies cutting production over the 
last several years and the used boat market would be set to heat up and 
raise prices on used boats.  It may not be the best time to be in the 
market.  However, if you were thinking of selling, it might be a good time 
to move ahead with that.  This spring should prove to be interesting.
 
Danny


-- Original Message --
From: "Frank" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1979 LF 38 on eBay
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:22:31 -0800

I agree with Joe. 
 
My 1979 LF38 was headed for the dumpster when I rescued it.  Good price 
but every system in the boat, and some that weren't, needed 
repair/fixed/replaced.  Since I am pretty fair with glass  good at diesel 
engines, and a past electronics technician, I figured I could fix 
everything on the boat and be ahead in the end.  After spending as much 
money on stuff to fix the boat as I spent buying the boat to date (10 
years) I still have several (expensive) things to do to it.In fact, I 
am finding that I am now refurbishing parts of the boat that I repaired 10 
years ago.  I probably have averaged 30 hours a month working on the boat 
over the past 10 years.  Yes, I am retired. 
 
I was told that I was making a mistake buying a boat that needed this much 
work but of course, I knew better than all of them. 
 
Frank Noragon
C&C LF38 S/N: 001
Rose City Yacht Club
Portland, OR
 
 
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IMHO a LF38 is the wrong boat for

Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1

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I have been looking at the boom for 6 years. No hole, no wire, no line. 
That is why I am looking for someone with the same roller reefing boom.

Ed



From:   dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   01/10/2013 03:13 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



OK, good luck   I guess it predates me too?are you sure that wire that 
feeds into the aft end of the boom does not exit the boom further forward 
(usually just a line would exit) and lead to a winch and cleat on the 
mast?anyway hope Rick can help you better than I did?I have never met 
anyone who liked roller reefing on the boom 
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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elev...@grayinsco.com
Sent: January 10, 2013 4:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1
 
Dwight: 

I have slab reefing but my question was not about reefing. It was about 
operation of the outhaul. A wire feeds into the aft end of the boom from 
the clew car. There is no apparent or obvious exit for the wire or any 
other mechanism to adjust outhaul tension. The boat may have originally 
been built with the Simtar profile rudder. The rudder on Dream Girl is a 
unique shape not being Simtar and not of a deeper aspect. I'm simply 
trying to figure what the style was for earlier built boats. Rick may hold 
this clue. 1971 hulls predated the mandated serial number impression in 
the transom gelcoat. The serial number was imprinted on a plate riveted to 
the aft end of the cockpit wall. The complete number is not readable at 
the section that identified the hull number 

Ed 






From:dwight veinot  
To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:01/10/2013 02:38 PM 
Subject:Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1 
Sent by:"CnC-List"  




Ed 
  
Forget the roller reefing and rig your boat to allow slab reefing (from 
the cockpit if you want to buy the extra necessary gear)?lots of folks 
here can advise on that 
  
Once you rig for slab reefing your outhaul should be OK 
  
Your boat, being an early C&C 30 was probably built with what is called a 
?Simtar? type rudder. 
  
Your hull number is probably the last 3 numbers that are shown in the 
gelcoat on the stern, usually on the starboard side just below the stern 
rail 
  
Dwight Veinot 
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 


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elev...@grayinsco.com
Sent: January 10, 2013 4:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1 
  
Rick: 

I own an early C&C 30 Mk 1. The Builders Plate is not legible to let me 
identify the hull number, but based on markings on the dinette's seat back 
cushions, I believe I have hull # 19. I have a couple of questions that 
have been bugging me for some time. 

If you have the original boom, is it a roller reefing boom? If so, how do 
you adjust the outhaul? For years, I have been unable to figure out how to 
adjust this. 

Does your boat's rudder have the profile as shown on the several C&C 30 
brochures? My boat has a completely different rudder shape implying to me 
it was replaced sometime in its lifetime with its own unique shape. 

Ed 

1971 C&C 30 Mk 1 Dream Girl 
New Orleans 


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Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1

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Dwight:

I have slab reefing but my question was not about reefing. It was about 
operation of the outhaul. A wire feeds into the aft end of the boom from 
the clew car. There is no apparent or obvious exit for the wire or any 
other mechanism to adjust outhaul tension. The boat may have originally 
been built with the Simtar profile rudder. The rudder on Dream Girl is a 
unique shape not being Simtar and not of a deeper aspect. I'm simply 
trying to figure what the style was for earlier built boats. Rick may hold 
this clue. 1971 hulls predated the mandated serial number impression in 
the transom gelcoat. The serial number was imprinted on a plate riveted to 
the aft end of the cockpit wall. The complete number is not readable at 
the section that identified the hull number

Ed






From:   dwight veinot 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   01/10/2013 02:38 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1
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Ed
 
Forget the roller reefing and rig your boat to allow slab reefing (from 
the cockpit if you want to buy the extra necessary gear)?lots of folks 
here can advise on that
 
Once you rig for slab reefing your outhaul should be OK
 
Your boat, being an early C&C 30 was probably built with what is called a 
?Simtar? type rudder.
 
Your hull number is probably the last 3 numbers that are shown in the 
gelcoat on the stern, usually on the starboard side just below the stern 
rail
 
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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elev...@grayinsco.com
Sent: January 10, 2013 4:27 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1
 
Rick: 

I own an early C&C 30 Mk 1. The Builders Plate is not legible to let me 
identify the hull number, but based on markings on the dinette's seat back 
cushions, I believe I have hull # 19. I have a couple of questions that 
have been bugging me for some time. 

If you have the original boom, is it a roller reefing boom? If so, how do 
you adjust the outhaul? For years, I have been unable to figure out how to 
adjust this. 

 Does your boat's rudder have the profile as shown on the several C&C 30 
brochures? My boat has a completely different rudder shape implying to me 
it was replaced sometime in its lifetime with its own unique shape. 

Ed 

1971 C&C 30 Mk 1 Dream Girl 
New Orleans 

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Stus-List Early C&C 30 Mk 1

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Rick:

I own an early C&C 30 Mk 1. The Builders Plate is not legible to let me 
identify the hull number, but based on markings on the dinette's seat back 
cushions, I believe I have hull # 19. I have a couple of questions that 
have been bugging me for some time. 

If you have the original boom, is it a roller reefing boom? If so, how do 
you adjust the outhaul? For years, I have been unable to figure out how to 
adjust this.

 Does your boat's rudder have the profile as shown on the several C&C 30 
brochures? My boat has a completely different rudder shape implying to me 
it was replaced sometime in its lifetime with its own unique shape. 

Ed 

1971 C&C 30 Mk 1 Dream Girl
New Orleans
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Stus-List Rub Rail Repair/Replacement

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The 1981 C&C 34 I purchased last month had a 3 ft section of the rub rail 
torn away during Hurricane Isaac in August. The hull gel coat was not 
damaged. 

Have any had experience splicing in a new section of rub rail short of 
disturbing the hull/deck joint? Does anyone have extra rub rail that they 
would like to sell? Does anyone have a similar need and would want to go 
in together on new material. South Shore offers it in a 40 ft. length only 
for $295 plus shipping.

Ed

C&C 30 Mk I Dreamgirl (for sale)
C&C 34 (to be named)
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Re: Stus-List 30 Mk1 Mast step repair

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In May 2006, on the delivery of "Dream Girl", C&C 30 Mk I # 19(?) from 
Carabelle, FL to New Orleans after her purchase, we had the opportunity for our 
first sail as we crossed Mobile Bay. The mast step collapsed after about 30 
minutes. I was fortunate that the collapse occurred in Mobile Bay as after 
Katrina, operational boatyards west of Mobile Bay were unlikely. After a 20 
mile rolly motor up Mobile Bay with a very loose rig, I reached Dog River on 
the western shore of the bay. I knew Donnie Bremmam operated a business there. 
Donnie is well known across the Gulf Coast for his expertise fairing hulls and 
foils, and generally his fiberglass work. His reputation has earned him the 
position as boarwright for the US Olympic teams for the China and English 
Olympics. Donnie agreed to undertake the repair.

There was never any question that the mast would have to be unstepped. Once the 
material from the old step (plywood) was removed and used as a template for new 
stringers, Donnie had to cut out a section of the cabin sole on the right side 
of the step location in order to be able to get a grinder into the bilge sump 
to grind the area to adhere and tab in the new fiberglass stringers as 
described in the album repair guide. His fiberglass skills left the replaced 
section of cabin sole an almost seamless and invisible installation. Just 
looking at the work area, it would appear to be next to impossible to get tools 
and hands in to work under a jacked up mast. The repair consisted of fiberglass 
stringers glassed into the bilge. The spaces between the stringers was filled 
with epoxy/codial silica up to the top of the stringers. A section of PVC pipe 
sufficiently large enough for a socket allows allowed access to the forward 
keel bolt once the epoxy was poured. I would also install a length of PVC pipe 
fore and aft under the new step so that the area forward of the step will drain 
into the main bilge. A block of teak approximately 1 in. thick rest on top of 
the new stringers and under the metal shoe. The new mast step is as solid as 
anything on a 41 year old sailboat.

Ed
1971 C&C 30 Dreamgirl (for sale)
1981 C&C 34 # 336 (Yet renamed)





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From: "Joe at Zialater" 
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Date: 12/17/2012 05:23PM
Subject: Stus-List 30 Mk1 Mast step repair

Howdy Listers,
 
I am new to the list and the new owner of a 1975 30 Mk 1.  Overall she is in 
decent shape with a fwc A4 that runs well.  Aside from needing major  
cleaning/polishing and lots of minor fixit stuff,  she has one big ugly 
problem,  the mast step is sagging and needs to be rebuilt.  I have read up on 
the repair at cncphotoalbum and it looks doable for a winter project.  
 
I wonder,  has anyone tried this repair without removing the mast completely?  
Perhaps jacking the mast up a few inches with some kind of rig from inside the 
cabin or from on deck?  Any idea what the mast with rigging would weigh?  
 
It would save me the hassle of removing the mast and rigging, not to mention 
the crane fee.  She is on the hard now.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Joe
1975 30 Mk 1
Mayo, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Teak Veneer Delamination

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Art:

I have used Super Glue in the gel form to re-glue teak veneer. It sets up 
very quickly and will allow your fingers to provide the pressure rather 
than a more elaborate set up necessary for slower setting glues. Make your 
slit in the veneer, inject the glue to one side of the slit, let it set 
up, and then work the other side. The Super Glue has held for 6 years in 
the Louisiana climate.

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I Dreamgirl
C&C 34 Acquired Today !
New Orleans



From:   "Roth Arthur" 
To: , 
Date:   11/06/2012 02:54 PM
Subject:Stus-List Teak Veneer Delamination
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



I hope someone on the list may have a suggestion as to how to address/fix 
my problem. 
 
Sometime during the last month or so, water must have gotten into the boat 
from the deck as yesterday while cleaning up below, I found several 
blisters/delamination of the teak veneer on the upper far port side of the 
forward bulkhead in the main cabin. This situation has developed since 
late August which was the last time I wiped down the bulkhead. I?m not 
sure where the water got in as, except for the handrail which is not 
exactly over the blistered area and where I have never had any leaks in 
the 20 years I?ve owned the boat, there aren?t any fittings, cleats, etc. 
on the cabin top over the bulkhead between the mast and the side of the 
cabin. The blisters are tear drop shaped, wider at the top where the 
bulkhead meets to top of the cabin and narrowing down to almost a point. 
They extend in from the side of the cabin about 8-10 inches and one or two 
of them are 6 inches long or so. The blisters are only on the aft side of 
the bulkhead close to the side of the cabin. There doesn?t seem to be any 
problem with the same area on the other side of the bulkhead in the head.
 
The area is dry now. Although I couldn?t reach to the very top of the 
bulkhead since the cabin liner is in the way, it appears that the plywood 
under the teak veneer is solid and there are no signs of rot or moisture 
on either side of the bulkhead in the affected area.
 
The interior veneer on the boat has been varnished. By pressing on the 
blisters, it seemed like they could be pressed back flat against the 
plywood backing.
 
I realize my first challenge will be to find out where the water is coming 
from, but I would appreciate any suggestions as to how these blisters 
might be repaired. I know that blistered veneers on furniture can 
sometimes be removed by heating with an iron, but that supposes that the 
veneer is applied with a heat sensitive glue. I suspect that the veneer 
that C&C used might have been glued with something like contact cement 
because of its intended use in a marine environment.
 
I will be very grateful for any comments or suggestions as to how to deal 
with the blistered veneer after I?ve traced down the source of the water.
 
Thanks,
Art Roth
C&C 36 Godspeed
Palmetto, FL
 
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Re: Stus-List HMS Bounty Abandoned - 2 Crew Missing at Sea.

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A hurricane projected to enter the North Atlantic from the Caribbean on a 
course proximate to the East Coast. Need I say more? To paraphrase "Dirty 
Harry", do you take the chance that the gun is empty? 

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I Dreamgirl
New Orleans, La.



From:   "Rick Brass" 
To: , 
Date:   11/01/2012 10:44 AM
Subject:Re: Stus-List HMS Bounty Abandoned - 2 Crew Missing at 
Sea.
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



As much as I think the captain was a fool for putting himself where he was 
and when he got there, I do have to say something in his defense. 
 
The afternoon of the 24th was when I secured Imzadi, and the morning of 
the 25th was when I drove over to look after Belle. On Wednesday, the 
storm was still south of Cuba and NOAA was still predicting the storm to 
move off to the northeast after brushing the Carolina Coast. And at 5am on 
Thursday the other models were starting to more closely resemble the 
European model and show the track more northerly ? IIRC Nova Scotia was a 
target ? but the storm was still 180 nm south of the Bahamas, with 
hurricane force winds out to 25-35 miles, and was forecast to weaken after 
crossing the Bahamas on Friday.
 
Our local TV weather guys and the Weather Channel were making hay on the 
uncertainty in the track because of the European model prediction, but 
nobody really knew where Sandy was going.
 
If the captain only had access to NOAA VHF or SSB forecasts, he might have 
made decisions on Thursday and Friday that put him into the path of the 
storm.
 
That said, I go back to a thought I posted a few days ago. He had a crew 
totaling  16, so he was most likely motoring. (We have an 85 ft tall ship 
in NC called the Elizabeth II. She?s a replica of the 1542 English ship 
that brought the first colonists to Roanoke Island NC in 1587. Elizabeth 
II carries a crew of 12 for sail handling on the passages she makes in the 
Sounds and ICW in North Carolina.) Colin, I agree that he probably would 
find little shelter in Delaware Bay. Wilmington and Philly seem to have 
gotten moderately whacked by Sandy. But I keep thinking that he could have 
gone through the C&D Canal into Chesapeake Bay, down the bay to Norfolk, 
and then out into the Atlantic after the storm had passed north. There are 
plenty of locations in the Chesapeake where he could park the Bounty if he 
needed to kill some time ? on the other side of the quay that hosts the 
USS Constellation in Baltimore Harbor comes immediately to mind.
 
I guess we?ll never know what was on his mind as he headed south, or where 
his priorities lay. But I am looking forward to the crew?s statements 
during the USCG inquiry that will happen.
 
 
Rick Brass
Imzadi -1976 C&C 38 mk1
la Belle Aurore -1975 C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Colin 
Kilgour
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List HMS Bounty Abandoned - 2 Crew Missing at Sea.
 
I've spent a lot of time thinking about it too, and I can't fathom the 
logic. 

Getting into Norfolk or Hampton might have helped, but really they should 
have bailed before getting that far south.  They may not have had time to 
get in there.  I don't think the Delaware Bay would have offered much 
safety either (it can be crappy in there even when the weather's good!)... 
So really, you've got to head back to Long Island Sound, or even through 
the Cape Cod Canal. 

Others have suggested heading east early, and that may have been helpful, 
but as was pointed out, they didn't make any easting at all after Montauk. 
 Also, given the size of the storm, they would have had to sail pretty 
much due east after leaving the sound in order to get clear.

Given that they knew the hurricane was out there before they left, and 
they knew it was heading their way.  They should have, imo, waited... and 
then if looked like New London was going to get hammered, spend your 
remaining time making the boat secure.  Then go to shore.

--
Having sailed offshore in this part of the Atlantic for 3 of the last 4 
Novembers, I'm finally refining my tactics.  Increasingly, my preferred go 
south strategy is to get at least as far south as Norfolk, then wait as 
long as possible (ie: until you wake to ice on the dock).  Then, on the 
first weather window thereafter, get the hell out of there and across the 
stream.  Make a bunch of easting toward Bermuda, and then head south to 
the Caribbean. 

It sucks when you're on this side of the stream in November, but once 
you're across (after a chilly and lumpy 24 hours or so) it warms up 
quickly.   And the longer you wait, the calmer winds you'll get for the 
passage south. 

My $0.02

Colin


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:41 PM, jtsails  wrote:
It seems from the course track that I have seen that may have been his 
intention, but it was a very poor decision! The area he sailed into has a 
strong gulf stream flow from Southwest to Northeast and the sto

Re: Stus-List Sandy

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Pat:

Absentee boat ownership is a disease not limited to your area. Before 
Isaac hit, the marina management reminded all tenants that their leases 
required removal of all canvas and sails plus encouragement for further 
storm preparations. A significant number did not comply. One today, 2 
months post storm, still flies its roller furler rags. There is an area of 
our marina were sailboats that survived Hurricane Katrina are now moored. 
While they slowly sink. I'm not talking about derelicts, but boats readily 
sailable. Abandoned after Katrina and still there.  And marina management 
does nothing to stop the sinking or put them back into commerce. But that 
is New Orleans for you. 

Good luck and safe passage through the storm to you and all affected.

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I Dreamgirl
Expectant C&C 34 (unnamed)
New Orleans





From:   Pat Nevitt 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   10/29/2012 11:42 AM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Sandy
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



Tom,

Wish you the best.  I'm on the West River, just south of Annapolis.  I 
secured mine on Saturday, and like you, couldn't believe the number of 
people who do absolutely nothing to their boats.  I saw over a dozen boats 
with sails still on the roller furler.  I put extra lines on the tub next 
to me because I know that owner won't do anything.  I've only seen him 
once in 3 years.  He had two spring lines on the boat that had simply 
rotted away.

Pat

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, TOM VINCENT  wrote:
It is rather interesting to be in the path of the storm and feel totally 
helpless if it hits as predicted. Frolic II, C&C 36, is in her slip in 
which is between the C&D Canal and the upper Chesapeake Bay. I spent most 
of Saturday doing what could be done to remove everything and tie her down 
securely. A surge of 8' or more will cause havoc with all of the boats in 
the marina. An interesting observation on Saturday was the number of boat 
owners that never felt the need for an extra effort to protect their 
boats.
 
Thanks to everyone for their Good Luck wishes.
 
Tom Vincent
Chesapeake City, MD

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Re: Stus-List Extra lines for storm

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Pat:

You can only use what you have - existing cleats, mast and winches. 
Unfortunately there are never enough points. Also chaffing gear - old fire 
hose works well if you can find it. In Isaac I had one line chafe through 
at one of the chocks.

You are fortunate the dock master will be available to help ease lines. In 
our marina in New Orleans, flood gates are closed at a minimum of 36 hours 
before landfall, blocking access to the marina. 

Ed



From:   Pat Nevitt 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   10/26/2012 10:35 AM
Subject:Re: Stus-List Extra lines for storm
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



Thanks for the great advice.  No cleats on the pier so that is easy.  I 
don't intend to stay on the boat and the dock manager will board the boats 
to reset lines.  Will double check chaffe.  The jib is already off and I'm 
going to pull the main off the boom.  My neighbors boat is a POS that 
hasn't been moved in 4 years and held with rotten 1/2 inch lines.  If I 
have extra lines I'm putting them on his boat because I'm sure he won't be 
adding new lines.  How about the line attachment on my boat?  Try to 
double up on the cleats on the boat?  Lines around base of mast, the 
winches (which don't have backing plates)?

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Della Barba, Joe <
joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/hurricane.html
 
Take a look at Isabel and you can see what I did.
REMEMBER:
1 ? NO CLEATS. All the ID10Ts that tied off to cleats ended up pulling the 
planks the cleats were bolted to off the dock and then I tripped on them 
in the dark L
2 ? DECIDE IF YOU ARE ON OR OFF ? You will likely need to adjust lines for 
the tide. If you are ON the boat, you need that end to adjust and if you 
are OFF the boat you need the other end to adjust.
3 ? FAIL SAFE ? Make sure no ONE line can chafe through and cause 
problems. 2 at least for every vital function.
4 ? CANVAS DOWN AND JIB OFF ? No roller furling left up!
5 ? CHAFE is the enemy. Nylon is strong. You won?t break it, you?ll chafe 
through it.
6 ? WATCH YOUR NEIGHBORS ? Your enemy is the unprepped boat down the pier. 
YMMV as to how much work, if any, you are willing to do saving other 
people?s boats to keep them from getting loose and hitting you. I had a 
long night on my pier with Isabel adding lines to other boats.
 
Joe Della Barba
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat 
Nevitt
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 10:03 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Extra lines for storm
 
I'm on the Chesapeake just south of Annapolis and the current storm track 
makes it look pretty ugly here Monday and Tuesday.  Obviously I'm going to 
go down and take the sails off and remove anything that might get taken 
away by the wind.  I've prepped for storms before, but not really sure 
that I put the extra lines on properly. I thought I would ask the list for 
their input.  I have a C&C 29 MK II and am in a slip on a fixed dock (not 
floating) in the middle of a line of 20 boats or so.  I have sailboats in 
slips on either side of me.  The slip has angels (pilings) off the bow and 
the fixed dock at the stern and a short 6 foot finger pier along the port 
side.  Normally I have stern lines that don't cross (I don't cross them 
anymore as they tend to rip out the swim ladder) going to pilings on the 
pier astern and fixed to the cleats on the aft port and starboard side of 
the boat.  The bow lines go from cleats on the deck on either side of the 
bow and through a gap in the toe rail to the pilings.  I also have a 
spring line on the port side that goes from a cleat attached to the genoa 
track to the piling off the port bow.  We are fairly protected and don't 
normally get a lot of wave motion in the slips except when a power boater 
ignores the speed limit.  Normal tidal range is only 2-3 feet.  Obviously 
the potential wind, waves, storm surge and the abnormal tidal range all 
coming together with this storm will make it unique.  So, the question is 
where should I place extra lines?  

My original intent was to leave the normal ones where they are, perhaps a 
little looser than usual (will put larger fenders on either side of the 
boat, especially near the finger pier).  I thought another spring line on 
the starboard side maybe going aft would be good.  Then I think I should 
double up the bow and stern lines, but the cleats won't hold more than one 
line.  So where to put those?  In the past I have afixed the extra stern 
lines to the main winches, but the bow lines are another issue.  Base of 
the mast maybe?  I also intend to leave these double lines with much more 
slack in them to account for tidal range.

Pat Nevitt

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Re: Stus-List Extra lines for storm

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Pat:

In addition to Joe Della Barba's suggestions, I have my stock of hurricane 
lines with thimbles spliced to one end. The lines are shackled to chain 
which is rapped around the slip's pilings. The chain is lag bolted to the 
piling. In Katrina, many boats lifted enough to lift basic knots, etc over 
the piling. Nailed lines alone do not work. The splices and chain are 
advanced preparation. In New Orleans, they will be reused. The longer the 
lines you can provide, the more rise in tide you can provide for. If you 
have a clear lead from points on your boat to the slip piles at least one 
slip over, tie/chain off there. Center the boat in the slip reasonably 
tight. If there are piles at the mid point of the slip, fenders with 
fender boards may help if the boat rubs. Spring lines also as long as 
practical.  Probably 1/2 of the problems you will encounter are  going to 
be caused by neighbors who take no precautions. Take photos of your 
efforts. At least you have peace of mind that you tried your best. 

Good Luck

Ed

C&C 30 Dream Girl
Expectant C&C 34 to be named
New Orleans. 



From:   Pat Nevitt 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   10/26/2012 09:02 AM
Subject:Stus-List Extra lines for storm
Sent by:"CnC-List" 



I'm on the Chesapeake just south of Annapolis and the current storm track 
makes it look pretty ugly here Monday and Tuesday.  Obviously I'm going to 
go down and take the sails off and remove anything that might get taken 
away by the wind.  I've prepped for storms before, but not really sure 
that I put the extra lines on properly. I thought I would ask the list for 
their input.  I have a C&C 29 MK II and am in a slip on a fixed dock (not 
floating) in the middle of a line of 20 boats or so.  I have sailboats in 
slips on either side of me.  The slip has angels (pilings) off the bow and 
the fixed dock at the stern and a short 6 foot finger pier along the port 
side.  Normally I have stern lines that don't cross (I don't cross them 
anymore as they tend to rip out the swim ladder) going to pilings on the 
pier astern and fixed to the cleats on the aft port and starboard side of 
the boat.  The bow lines go from cleats on the deck on either side of the 
bow and through a gap in the toe rail to the pilings.  I also have a 
spring line on the port side that goes from a cleat attached to the genoa 
track to the piling off the port bow.  We are fairly protected and don't 
normally get a lot of wave motion in the slips except when a power boater 
ignores the speed limit.  Normal tidal range is only 2-3 feet.  Obviously 
the potential wind, waves, storm surge and the abnormal tidal range all 
coming together with this storm will make it unique.  So, the question is 
where should I place extra lines?  

My original intent was to leave the normal ones where they are, perhaps a 
little looser than usual (will put larger fenders on either side of the 
boat, especially near the finger pier).  I thought another spring line on 
the starboard side maybe going aft would be good.  Then I think I should 
double up the bow and stern lines, but the cleats won't hold more than one 
line.  So where to put those?  In the past I have afixed the extra stern 
lines to the main winches, but the bow lines are another issue.  Base of 
the mast maybe?  I also intend to leave these double lines with much more 
slack in them to account for tidal range.

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Stus-List Avenir C&C 41 recovered

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Race sloop also recovered
The discovery in local waters of a sailboat lost since last year has 
coincided with the recovery of another vessel, abandoned on its way home 
from Bermuda.
The 41ft sloop Avenir, which left the Island in June following the Newport 
to Bermuda race, fell victim to Tropical Storm Debbie, and spent 13 days 
adrift.
She was towed into harbour at Bristol, Rhode Island on Monday, according 
to the news site EastBayRI.com.
Just one day out of Bermuda, the storm broke the boat?s rudder, and its 
crew of six had to be rescued by the cruise vessel Norwegian Star.
However, a transponder put aboard for the race allowed owners Joe and 
Linda Murray to track the Avenir, which drifted to 370 miles southeast of 
Newport.
She got close enough for a salvage vessel to tow her back into port.
According to the online site, the last meal cooked on board remained 
intact on the stove ? a pot of jambalaya.
Useful website: www.eastbayri.com.

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I
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Re: Stus-List 1981 C&C 34

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Edd:
Thanks to you and all other responders on this subject. An offer was made 
yesterday and I am waiting for a reply and or counteroffer. From what I 
can learn about this particular boat, it likely originated in Lake 
Champlain based upon sails from a local loft. The boat was brought from 
Ft. Walton Beach Fla  area to New Orleans in 2006 following Hurricane 
Katrina. If you cannot take a broach, you have not pushed the boat. I know 
people who are young enough and  think it is a normal and natural part of 
sailing. They were particularly amazed in one race, following a Bermuda 40 
Yawl, why the Bermuda 40 never broached. 

Ed
C&C 30 Mk I Dreamgirl
New Orleans 





From:   Edd Schillay 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 
Date:   09/27/2012 03:49 PM
Subject:Re: Stus-List 1981 C&C 34
Sent by:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com



Ed,

The previous Enterprise (NCC-1701-A) was a 1978 C&C 34 and has been in my 
family since 1979 (My father now owns it and keeps it in Atlantic 
Highlands, NJ). 

All in all, a fantastic well-built boat with very few problems over the 
many years. Can not recommend it enough. 

Performance: In light air, the boat does especially well and will point 
well upwind in most wind ranges. Not very fast on a broad reach and under 
spinnaker in a breeze, we found it a little "broachy" on a broad reach. 
I've knocked mine down a few times. But hey -- it keeps the crew awake. 

Comfort: The cockpit is deep and comfortable and the interior is quite 
roomy. The quarter berth will sleep one comfortably and the v-berth will 
sleep two well, especially if they like each other. The best berth on 
board is on starboard, where the settee flips open to create a very roomy 
double.

Maintenance: There is great access to the front  and starboard side of the 
engine and access to other systems is also pretty easy. 

You simply can't go wrong. Some of the best sailing days of my life were 
on that boat. 



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:28 AM, elev...@grayinsco.com wrote:

The bigger/newer boat bug has bitten. I am about to make an offer on a 
1981 C&C 34. I would appreciate any comments as to any particular trouble 
spots to look for and or direct a surveyor to look for. Any sailing 
comments would also be welcomed. 

Ed 
C&C 30 Mk I 
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Stus-List 1981 C&C 34

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The bigger/newer boat bug has bitten. I am about to make an offer on a 
1981 C&C 34. I would appreciate any comments as to any particular trouble 
spots to look for and or direct a surveyor to look for. Any sailing 
comments would also be welcomed.

Ed
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Re: Stus-List Spin Jibes: Dip Pole vs End for End - Tom Dabney

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Dennis:

Tom Dabney passed away about 6 weeks ago. Did not know if you knew

Ed

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Re: Stus-List . Mast fitting for boom gooseneck

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Check out Rig Rite, http://www.rigrite.com/

Ed

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Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge

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Basic storm preparation will go a good way towards saving one's boat. At least 
I can sleep well knowing I tried. I also have the pictures of my efforts if the 
insurance company needed proof. Our slip lease requires removal of canvas and 
extra docklines in the approach of a tropical storm. An e-mail reminder of the 
lease provisions circulated at the end of last week. It will be interesting to 
see what results.

Ed
Dreamgirl, 
30 Mk 1, #19





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To: 
From: Steve Thomas 
Sent by: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
Date: 08/28/2012 03:42PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge


Some people seem to think that if they have an insurance policy then they are 
relieved of all responsibility for reasonable and
prudent precaution.
It is an attitude that needs to be discouraged.
 
Steve Thomas
 
-Original Message-
From: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On 
Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:26 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge



Around here about 50-60% of people do NOTHING L

Keeps me and everyone else that stays on their boats busy.

 

Joe Della Barba

 


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Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge

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Dennis:

Greetings from the South shore of of Lake Pontchartrain. On Sunday, I vacated 
my 30' slip on the west side of the harbor for a 50' or more slip on the east 
side. Multiple spider lines all around. There are no boats close to me to break 
loose and be blown down on the boat. When I did my prep, it totally amazed me 
at the number of boats that were not being attended to. Makes me wonder why 
people spent the amount of money and effort to re-populate the harbor with 
boats after Katrina. I guess it is obvious when so many boats are never sailed. 

Good luck,

Ed
Dream Girl 30-1 #19
New Orleans 

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Date: 08/28/2012 07:55AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge


Joe,


Ditto. I swap ends also.  Touche's normal dock lines use the eyes on the boat's 
cleats.  Touche's storm lines, however, are rigged with the eyes on the pilings 
and are cleated on the boat with figure eights to allow for adjusting.


Crazy as it seems, there are people that cruise the bayou in dinghies adjusting 
people's dock lines during the storm.  Have to use dinghies because the marinas 
will be flooded.


Boats that are moored on bulkheads side to put lines across the bayou to trees. 
 At the latest moment, one of the dinghy cruisers will tighten the lines to 
pull the boat away from the bulkhead.  This, of course, makes the bayou 
impassable.  But by that time, every boat should be tucked away.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Isaac..prepping for storm and surge



During Isabel some idiots left lines tied to cleats bolted to the dock planks. 
Of course the surge pulled the planks right off the dock L
I – having learned from Hurricane David the hard way – didn’t 
use my normal dock lines with spliced loops. For Isabel I was able to let the 
lines in and out without climbing off the boat and risking tripping or breaking 
an ankle on the pulled up planks mentioned earlier.
 
Best of Luck – I’ll throw some rum in the bay to placate King 
Neptune.
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina




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Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2QM15 water pump

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Graham:

The pulley was on tight with no apparent misalignment. All seals, spacers, and 
bearings were new and in the proper order. The bearings and shaft reassembled 
into he pump housing without problem. Everything looked and felt correct. That 
is why I am puzzled. 

Ed

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Date: 08/16/2012 09:05PM
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Hi Ed
I'm assuming the pulley was on tight.  Did you verify that the pulley 
was properly aligned with the drive pulley?  If something was off there 
(maybe a spacer on the shaft in the wrong place, for example) it would 
put an offset load on the pulley.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11


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> I rebuilt the spare water pump. New seals, new bearings. All went back 
> together with no apparent glitches. After no more than 2 hours of 
> operation, the shaft has reamed the pulley to an almost perfect circle 
> and the pulley likewise wore the shaft so that it is no longer notched 
> to fit in an undamaged pulley. I intend to rebuild the original but 
> leaking pump but I am wondering what I may have done wrong to cause 
> such an early failure.
>
> Ed
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Stus-List Yanmar 2QM15 water pump

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I rebuilt the spare water pump. New seals, new bearings. All went back together 
with no apparent glitches. After no more than 2 hours of operation, the shaft 
has reamed the pulley to an almost perfect circle and the pulley likewise wore 
the shaft so that it is no longer notched to fit in an undamaged pulley. I 
intend to rebuild the original but leaking pump but I am wondering what I may 
have done wrong to cause such an early failure. 

Ed

C&C 30 Dreamgirl




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Re: Stus-List - Boat Insurance

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My C&C 27 Mk 1 was washed into the parking lot in Hurricane Katrina and 
was a total loss. At the time, I was insured by State Farm. Under the 
policy, their obligation to remove the wreck was dollar limited and would 
not have been sufficient to pay for the wreck removal had the State of 
Louisiana not removed her almost 1 year later. On the other hand, 3 weeks 
after the storm,  Boat US had a contractor with a crane barge in the 
harbor identifying and removing the wrecks of the boats they insured. I am 
now insured by Boat US as the New Orleans owned harbor required that the 
harbor and city be named as additional insureds under the policy for 
purposes of liability coverage. State Farm flatly would not name the 
harbor on the policy. Progressive's coverage of an additional insured did 
not, in my opinion, fulfill the harbor's requirements.

Moral - Read the policies and know what your are getting for your premium. 
As unpleasant as the idea of  wreck removal is, adequate coverage is 
essential. You get what you pay for.

Ed Levert
Dream Girl
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