Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller. Same sort of setup as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle Islands. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern > Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. > The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from > my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow > roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the > port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in > advance to all responders. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street" wrote: Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller. Same sort of setup as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle Islands. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in advance to all responders. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
For an easy night in a secluded gunk hole you can get away with using the bow roller to lead the anchor line back to a bow cleat. I do it all the time and sail up and down the Chesapeake. A better practice is to tie on a snubber line using a rolling hitch or an icicle hitch and then run the snubber lines in a vee below the bow roller, through the port and stbd fairleads to the bow cleats. A 10' to 15' piece of line can be kept just for this purpose in the anchor locker. Tie it so that the tails are roughly the same length and you cleat them such that the hitch stays about halfway between the water and the bow roller. Ease the anchor line so that the load it taken by the snubber lines but not so much that it is drooping slack in the water. In heavy wind and waves the edges of the bowroller can start chewing on the anchor line. The roller also presents a lever arm which adds unnecessary stress to the bow. By creating a "bridle" with 2 attachment points you may reduce some yawing in the wind and you'll also reduce the risk of a single failure. In some cases the anchor line is too large to fit the bow cleats properly so a snubber eliminates that problem. If you ever upgrade to a bigger boat or one with all chain you're going to need to do this method anyway. If you have a windlass now or in the future, you may be tempted to simply leave the load on the windlass. This is a recipe for a damage to the windlass and again using the snubber method will prevent problems. These videos show lazy tails but can be adapted to create 2 working tails. The icicle just needs to be tied near the middle. The rolling needs to be tied on a bite. https://youtu.be/JFZwfCoETdQ https://youtu.be/cA2AJlf0lwE For your pre-made section of rope you can improve the snubbing action by using nylon triple braid and adding rubber snubbers. A rolling hitch on a bite will be easier to negotiate if snubbers are already installed on the line. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 4:33 PM Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern > Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor > line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding > power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line > over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one > of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks > in advance to all responders. > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
Over the anchor roller works fine. I recommend more chain, at least equivalent to the length of your boat if 5/16. Also mark your rode so you know the ratio of road to water depth 4 times works fine most of the time but believe 7 times is recommended On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:21 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > For an easy night in a secluded gunk hole you can get away with using the > bow roller to lead the anchor line back to a bow cleat. I do it all the > time and sail up and down the Chesapeake. > > A better practice is to tie on a snubber line using a rolling hitch or an > icicle hitch and then run the snubber lines in a vee below the bow roller, > through the port and stbd fairleads to the bow cleats. A 10' to 15' piece > of line can be kept just for this purpose in the anchor locker. Tie it so > that the tails are roughly the same length and you cleat them such that the > hitch stays about halfway between the water and the bow roller. Ease the > anchor line so that the load it taken by the snubber lines but not so much > that it is drooping slack in the water. In heavy wind and waves the edges > of the bowroller can start chewing on the anchor line. The roller also > presents a lever arm which adds unnecessary stress to the bow. By creating > a "bridle" with 2 attachment points you may reduce some yawing in the wind > and you'll also reduce the risk of a single failure. In some cases the > anchor line is too large to fit the bow cleats properly so a snubber > eliminates that problem. If you ever upgrade to a bigger boat or one with > all chain you're going to need to do this method anyway. If you have a > windlass now or in the future, you may be tempted to simply leave the load > on the windlass. This is a recipe for a damage to the windlass and again > using the snubber method will prevent problems. > > These videos show lazy tails but can be adapted to create 2 working > tails. The icicle just needs to be tied near the middle. The rolling > needs to be tied on a bite. > > https://youtu.be/JFZwfCoETdQ > > https://youtu.be/cA2AJlf0lwE > > For your pre-made section of rope you can improve the snubbing action by > using nylon triple braid and adding rubber snubbers. A rolling hitch on a > bite will be easier to negotiate if snubbers are already installed on the > line. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 4:33 PM Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern >> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor >> line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding >> power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line >> over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one >> of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks >> in advance to all responders. >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
My understanding is that bow rollers are not designed for continuous shock and side loading )exasperated be leverage) if in tough anchoring situation . If a calm night (things can go wrong quickly however) perhaps leave in roller. Me? Enough variables in anchoring not to remove this one. I take it out of the roller to the cleat. Designed for shock and side loading. David F. Risch, J. D. Gulf Stream Associates, LLC (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List on behalf of Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 5:25 PM To: Frederick G Street Cc: Sam Tunanidas; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38 Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street" mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> wrote: Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller. Same sort of setup as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle Islands. — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in advance to all responders. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
The weak link in the system is the Fortress anchor—not the bow roller. I don’t think one has to worry about side loading using a Fortress anchor. I have a 23-lb Fortress I use as a backup anchor but I wouldn’t rely on one as an every-day anchor, particularly in soft mud. I always run my anchor line over my bow rollers and haven’t had a problem in the 32 years I’ve owned my Landfall 38 and I’ve been anchored in some bad situations. I do use a bridle when high winds are anticipated. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Charleston SC for the winter) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:50 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: > > My understanding is that bow rollers are not designed for continuous shock > and side loading )exasperated be leverage) if in tough anchoring situation . > If a calm night (things can go wrong quickly however) perhaps leave in > roller. > > Me? Enough variables in anchoring not to remove this one. I take it out of > the roller to the cleat. Designed for shock and side loading. > > David F. Risch, J. D. > Gulf Stream Associates, LLC > (401) 419-4650 > > From: CnC-List on behalf of Sam Tunanidas via > CnC-List > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 5:25 PM > To: Frederick G Street > Cc: Sam Tunanidas; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38 > > Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to > assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from > jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam > > On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street" wrote: > Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller. Same sort of setup > as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle > Islands. > > — Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > >> On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern >> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. >> The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from >> my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow >> roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the >> port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in >> advance to all responders. > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
