Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat. My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone (416) 203-9858Mobile (416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
What is ACR? Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] Sent: April-05-15 10:53 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat. My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone (416) 203-9858Mobile (416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
Automatic Charging Relay. If I am not mistaken it is a Blue Sea answer to the Echo Charger. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia via CnC-List Sent: April-06-15 08:25 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme What is ACR? Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] Sent: April-05-15 10:53 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat.My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone(416) 203-9858Mobile(416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
Yes an ACR is an 'Automatic Charge Relay', which is really a VSR or 'Voltage Sensitive Relay'. Connected between the positives of the two batteries (or banks of batteries), it is an automatic switch that closes and combines the batteries together when it senses a charging voltage on one of them, in order to charge the 2nd battery bank, and opens to disconnect the two batteries when the voltage drops (indicating charging has finished or discharge is occurring), so that the 2nd battery is not discharged as well. They also will not connect to a severely discharged battery or when an over voltage is sensed (battery or charger failure). And they disconnect during starting. Other companies make similar products, such as Yandina or Magnacharge. Also, it should be noted that these types of devices are much better than the older-style diode-based battery isolators, which because of the voltage drop associated with diodes don't efficiently charge the 2nd battery. We've had quite a discussion going on these types of devices recently, under the various iterations of this wiring thread. Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet C&C 27 MkIII -Original Message- From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 5:37 AM To: 'Alex Giannelia' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme Automatic Charging Relay. If I am not mistaken it is a Blue Sea answer to the Echo Charger. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia via CnC-List Sent: April-06-15 08:25 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme What is ACR? Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] Sent: April-05-15 10:53 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat.My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone(416) 203-9858Mobile(416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
ACR=Automatic Charge Relay For Blue Sea components, it is an relay that is wired between two batteries (or banks) and is normally open. When one of the banks is at a charging voltage (something over 13v, IIRC, which indicates that a charging source is present) and the other battery is partially depleted (under something like 12.2 or 12.3, IIRC) the relay closes and lets current flow from the high voltage source bank to the low voltage bank. If the batteries are both in the 12v range, the ACR stays open. If one of the batteries is really low, which would indicate a bad battery or a short or cause high current flow, the ACR will not close. Unlike an Echo Charger, current flow is determined by voltage differential and not limited by the ACR. Also unlike an Echo Charger, the current will flow either way from high to low - an Echo Charger is a one way device. Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 8:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme What is ACR? Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] Sent: April-05-15 10:53 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat.My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone(416) 203-9858Mobile(416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
minor addition, the charge current is limited by the recommended wiring between the banks. From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of 6 SWG. (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Mon, 4/6/15, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "'Alex Giannelia'" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2015, 1:31 PM ACR=Automatic Charge Relay For Blue Sea components, it is an relay that is wired between two batteries (or banks) and is normally open. When one of the banks is at a charging voltage (something over 13v, IIRC, which indicates that a charging source is present) and the other battery is partially depleted (under something like 12.2 or 12.3, IIRC) the relay closes and lets current flow from the high voltage source bank to the low voltage bank. If the batteries are both in the 12v range, the ACR stays open. If one of the batteries is really low, which would indicate a bad battery or a short or cause high current flow, the ACR will not close. Unlike an Echo Charger, current flow is determined by voltage differential and not limited by the ACR. Also unlike an Echo Charger, the current will flow either way from high to low - an Echo Charger is a one way device. Rick Brass Washington, NC -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alex Giannelia via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 8:25 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme What is ACR? Thanks, Alex Alex Giannelia a...@airsensing.com +1 (416) 203-9858 Office +1 (416) 529-0070 Mobile www.airsensing.com -Original Message- From: Leslie Paal [mailto:lpaalc...@yahoo.com] Sent: April-05-15 10:53 PM To: Alex Giannelia; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme no such thing as a dumb question. We all learning all the time, some of us know more on a subject than others and I am sure those in the know will help Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 On Sat, 4/4/15, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2015, 8:21 AM Hi Edd, I love your diagramme and will be lurking on this list to get answers of my own. Mine is a bit simpler than yours, but I plan to re-wire my AC/DC stuff after having my electric motor put in and will be re-wiring everything to replace the old companionway panel with a Nav station panel and cockpit sub panel and all the old wires with new tinned ones. So, I will compose my questions to you first, then later when back from the boat. My boat will, out of space etc and personal leanings be a bit less ambitious than yours, but am intrigued with all the devices. So, if you don’t mind a pile of dumb questions, let me fire away. Regards, Alexander M. GianneliaPresident the airborne sensing corporation555 Richmond Street West, Suite 912, PO Box 1008, Toronto, Ontario M5V 3B1, Canada Phone (416) 203-9858Mobile (416) 529-0070Fax (416) 203-9843 *Notre site web est aussi disponible en français! www.airsensing.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
Hi Leslie, Why would you max size a wire spec? I can't think of any practical situation where a little too big is not good and the shorter runs are better too. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:33 PM 06/04/2015, you wrote: minor addition, the charge current is limited by the recommended wiring between the banks. From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of 6 SWG. (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
Some of the ‘ACR / VSR / Combiners’ have minimum wire length and maximum size requirements to maintain a minimum resistance that the device sees. From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:40 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme Hi Leslie, Why would you max size a wire spec? I can't think of any practical situation where a little too big is not good and the shorter runs are better too. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:33 PM 06/04/2015, you wrote: minor addition, the charge current is limited by the recommended wiring between the banks. From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of 6 SWG. (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
to limit the maximum current between the battery banks, it protects the relay contacts. 'They' calculated what resistance is needed not to exceed the contacts rating. Simplest solution; a wire that limits the current by its resistance. You are correct that when the goal is to get the juice to a piece of gear fatter cable, shorter run is better. Leslie. On Mon, 4/6/15, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2015, 6:40 PM Hi Leslie, Why would you max size a wire spec? I can't think of any practical situation where a little too big is not good and the shorter runs are better too. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:33 PM 06/04/2015, you wrote: minor addition, the charge current is limited by the recommended wiring between the banks. From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of 6 SWG. (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
What do we know about the failure modes of these devices? Bob On Apr 7, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List wrote: > to limit the maximum current between the battery banks, it protects the relay > contacts. 'They' calculated what resistance is needed not to exceed the > contacts rating. Simplest solution; a wire that limits the current by its > resistance. > > You are correct that when the goal is to get the juice to a piece of gear > fatter cable, shorter run is better. > > Leslie. > > On Mon, 4/6/15, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote: > > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2015, 6:40 PM > > > > Hi Leslie, > > > Why would you max size a wire spec? > > > I can't think of any practical situation where a little > too big is not > good and the shorter runs are better too. > > > Cheers, > Russ > > Sweet > 35 mk-1 > > > > > At 05:33 PM 06/04/2015, you wrote: > > minor addition, the charge > current is limited by the recommended wiring between the > banks. > From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of > 6 SWG. > (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix > C&C32 1983 > > > > -Inline Attachment Follows- > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- > go to the bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme
unpredictable. The over current can weld the contacts, permanently on. Or it can burn the contact surface and leave some "ash" that stops making electrical contact, permanently off. It depends on the conditions in THAT fraction of the second. Leslie. On Tue, 4/7/15, Robert Boyer wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: "Leslie Paal" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Russ & Melody" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 10:23 AM What do we know about the failure modes of these devices? Bob On Apr 7, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List wrote: to limit the maximum current between the battery banks, it protects the relay contacts. 'They' calculated what resistance is needed not to exceed the contacts rating. Simplest solution; a wire that limits the current by its resistance. You are correct that when the goal is to get the juice to a piece of gear fatter cable, shorter run is better. Leslie. On Mon, 4/6/15, Russ & Melody via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Ed Shillay's Wiring Diagramme To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2015, 6:40 PM Hi Leslie, Why would you max size a wire spec? I can't think of any practical situation where a little too big is not good and the shorter runs are better too. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:33 PM 06/04/2015, you wrote: minor addition, the charge current is limited by the recommended wiring between the banks. From memory, a minimum length of 6 feet and maximum size of 6 SWG. (please check before using this info.) Leslie Phoenix C&C32 1983 -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230) email: dainyrays@icloud.comblog: dainyrays.blogspot.com "There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
