Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs
I find that the larger chartplotters / MFD even when dimmed affect my night vision. While approaching a harbor at night I made out the shape of three buoys, was expecting one. Result is I wanted to confirm I was entering the correct harbor, and then which of the buoys was the fairway. So I looked at the plotter, in night mode and dimmed, for about a minute or so as I zoomed in and lined the boat up on the correct mark. When I looked back up I could not make out any of the buoys even though I was a bit closer and lined up with one of them. My night vision returned after 3 - 4 minutes in the dark. When racing solo at night looking at my Garmin 76CSX to pick up VMG usually means I cannot read the ticklers for a few minutes. I have asked a couple of people that have 10 - 14 plotters mounted at the helm how they find using them in night mode, and how much does it affect their night vision. I am amazed when the response is they do not use night mode because it is too hard to read and no problem with night vision. For flashlights I like the 5 - 8 watt LED units that use the 18650 style Li-on battery. If you can find one with a good reflector / lens they are hard to beat for the money. Usually the smaller the light source the tighter the beam can be made. A LED is smaller than a bulb and more directional, and a HID / Xenon is likely the smallest. For shear brute force a few companies are using automotive H4 series bulbs paired with a small AGM battery. http://www.amazon.com/Cyclops-C18MIL-Colossus-Rechargable-Spotlight/dp/B0018F1CJ4/ref=pd_sim_auto_7?ie=UTF8refRID=05FJNMD6VVWW20S9TSW2#productDetails I had one similar to that. The bulb was an H4 130 / 90 like this: http://www.amazon.com/HELLA-H83140011-Series-Watt-Halogen/dp/B000VUB4CW The low beam was more of a flood, the high beam was a pretty good spotlight. Would light up the 3M style reflective tape brightly at over two miles. Battery lasted about 15 minutes, which was good since the whole light was getting warm. Obviously using that affected my night vision ... Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:41:53 -0400 From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs Message-ID: 1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e1c292...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll have to look. They were a birthday present and were whatever the top line West Marine binoculars were at the time. Any high quality 7x50 set with good coated lenses will make something you can just maybe barely see stand out plain as day. Obviously rain, fog, pitch dark, and looking into moonlight will defeat them. Some people think moonlight = good, but only if it is from behind you! What I need to do is train my dogs to point and bark at unlit markers. I asked our vet why they can run full speed in the woods in the dark and he said dogs and cats see about as well as a human with night vision goggles on. Speaking off night vision, I rarely use any kind of spotlight. I do much better with making sure my night vision stays sharp. I have red LED lights for everything - there is NO white light allowed after dark. Something I learned when I was flying out of an unlit grass field is to look off center and kind of scan besides what you are looking for. Human vision is mu ch more light sensitive off-center than straight ahead. PS - Another night vision killer is the various plotter-computer video displays. Make sure you can turn it down! I have seen powerboats go by at night with the helmsman's face lit up bright as day by all the screens that he was looking at. I doubt he could see the bow! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs
I'll have to look. They were a birthday present and were whatever the top line West Marine binoculars were at the time. Any high quality 7x50 set with good coated lenses will make something you can just maybe barely see stand out plain as day. Obviously rain, fog, pitch dark, and looking into moonlight will defeat them. Some people think moonlight = good, but only if it is from behind you! What I need to do is train my dogs to point and bark at unlit markers. I asked our vet why they can run full speed in the woods in the dark and he said dogs and cats see about as well as a human with night vision goggles on. Speaking off night vision, I rarely use any kind of spotlight. I do much better with making sure my night vision stays sharp. I have red LED lights for everything - there is NO white light allowed after dark. Something I learned when I was flying out of an unlit grass field is to look off center and kind of scan besides what you are looking for. Human vision is much more light sensitive off-center than straight ahead. PS - Another night vision killer is the various plotter-computer video displays. Make sure you can turn it down! I have seen powerboats go by at night with the helmsman's face lit up bright as day by all the screens that he was looking at. I doubt he could see the bow! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Joe Those glasses must have very good light capturing capability...what brand do you have? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs
Joe I am sure you know that most displays can be automatically set to switch to night mode, with the clock at sunset I think but I find that automatic switch confusing because the night view mode is quite different than just turning down the brightness for the screen for the daylight mode _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: March 14, 2014 8:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs I'll have to look. They were a birthday present and were whatever the top line West Marine binoculars were at the time. Any high quality 7x50 set with good coated lenses will make something you can just maybe barely see stand out plain as day. Obviously rain, fog, pitch dark, and looking into moonlight will defeat them. Some people think moonlight = good, but only if it is from behind you! What I need to do is train my dogs to point and bark at unlit markers. I asked our vet why they can run full speed in the woods in the dark and he said dogs and cats see about as well as a human with night vision goggles on. Speaking off night vision, I rarely use any kind of spotlight. I do much better with making sure my night vision stays sharp. I have red LED lights for everything - there is NO white light allowed after dark. Something I learned when I was flying out of an unlit grass field is to look off center and kind of scan besides what you are looking for. Human vision is much more light sensitive off-center than straight ahead. PS - Another night vision killer is the various plotter-computer video displays. Make sure you can turn it down! I have seen powerboats go by at night with the helmsman's face lit up bright as day by all the screens that he was looking at. I doubt he could see the bow! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Joe Those glasses must have very good light capturing capability.what brand do you have? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs
Any good quality binoculars with large second number (nx50 or better) would probably do. Various manufacturers have different light transmission factors. But a general rule is that for night vision, the relative brightness index should be high (RBI = (exit pupil)^2 (i.e. squared), where exit pupil= diameter/power). For a 7x50 binoculars, it is (50/7)^2 ~=51 (which is fairly high); for 7x42 binoculars, this is 36; for 10x50 – only 25. Unfortunately, very few manufactures would provide the light transmission factors, so there is no easy way to compare (on paper) which unit is better than the other. If you Google this, you would probably find (as I did) that most recommendations are for 7x magnification for marine use. This makes sense for two reason: one – we have a problem providing a stable platform required for a clear view at high magnification (think how difficult it is to keep a long lens (400 mm or higher) in your camera aimed at the faraway object) and two – the higher the power, the lower the RBI. just a thought. Marek -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:41:53 -0400 From: Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs Message-ID: 1073606396712942aee54d9a960e45a71e1c292...@hq-mb-07.ba.ad.ssa.gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll have to look. They were a birthday present and were whatever the top line West Marine binoculars were at the time. Any high quality 7x50 set with good coated lenses will make something you can just maybe barely see stand out plain as day. Obviously rain, fog, pitch dark, and looking into moonlight will defeat them. Some people think moonlight = good, but only if it is from behind you! What I need to do is train my dogs to point and bark at unlit markers. I asked our vet why they can run full speed in the woods in the dark and he said dogs and cats see about as well as a human with night vision goggles on. Speaking off night vision, I rarely use any kind of spotlight. I do much better with making sure my night vision stays sharp. I have red LED lights for everything - there is NO white light allowed after dark. Something I learned when I was flying out of an unlit grass field is to look off center and kind of scan besides what you are looking for. Human vision is much more light sensitive off-center than straight ahead. PS - Another night vision killer is the various plotter-computer video displays. Make sure you can turn it down! I have seen powerboats go by at night with the helmsman's face lit up bright as day by all the screens that he was looking at. I doubt he could see the bow! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs
Up until about 3 years ago, the higher end West Marine glasses were made by Fujinon and were the Mariner WP-XL and WPC-XL models. The WM binoculars are now made by Barska. I have a pair of Barskas that I keep on the boat for guests, and they are decent - but nowhere near as good as the Fujinon Mariners I personally use. When I was binocular shopping, PS rated the Steiner Commanders as the best marine binoculars, followed by the Fujinon Polaris. The Fujinon Mariners were the best buy recommended in the review. Which is why I bought the pair I use. Ditto your comment about using red LEDs. I have a red LED over the nav station to light up the companionway. A red LED mounted under the step into the v berth to light up the floor on the way to the head. And Alpenglow overhead fixtures with high and low power red LEDs for general illumination below when sailing at night with guests below. I also have a couple of tiny red LED flashlights on lanyards that go around the helmsman's and trimmer's necks so they can light up the telltales and Windex when sailing at night. I keep the wind instrument and depth displays(which are mounted on the cabin bulkhead) set to the minimum backlight level, and my plotter is set to go to night mode and minimum brightness at sunset. Though I wish I could figure out how to make the transition 15 or 20 minutes after sunset. The display is hard to see before it becomes completely dark. But, hey (paying homage to the original subject) l'm getting old and my eyesight isn't what it used to be. So I still value having a good bright pencil beam spotlight to use when it's really dark outside. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 7:42 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights + binocs I'll have to look. They were a birthday present and were whatever the top line West Marine binoculars were at the time. Any high quality 7x50 set with good coated lenses will make something you can just maybe barely see stand out plain as day. Obviously rain, fog, pitch dark, and looking into moonlight will defeat them. Some people think moonlight = good, but only if it is from behind you! What I need to do is train my dogs to point and bark at unlit markers. I asked our vet why they can run full speed in the woods in the dark and he said dogs and cats see about as well as a human with night vision goggles on. Speaking off night vision, I rarely use any kind of spotlight. I do much better with making sure my night vision stays sharp. I have red LED lights for everything - there is NO white light allowed after dark. Something I learned when I was flying out of an unlit grass field is to look off center and kind of scan besides what you are looking for. Human vision is much more light sensitive off-center than straight ahead. PS - Another night vision killer is the various plotter-computer video displays. Make sure you can turn it down! I have seen powerboats go by at night with the helmsman's face lit up bright as day by all the screens that he was looking at. I doubt he could see the bow! Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:13 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Joe Those glasses must have very good light capturing capability.what brand do you have? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights
Dennis The calculator link that I sent allows you to vary apex angle, still it is hard to compare the lights.for a spotlight to use in the fog I like my 300,000 candela hand held spot light with long coiled cord, 12 vdc supplied light, glare is not a problem but reflection off the white deck is, but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. I have various LED flashlights, the one from Lee Valley throws a good beam for a long distance and I have other less powerful LED flashlights for walking around on the boat at night and a bedside LED lantern that is very nice for those trips to the head. http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/light/candela-to-lumen-calculator.htm _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: March 13, 2014 1:37 PM To: CnClist Subject: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Lumens are only one factor among many. Beam width is also a consideration. Lots of lumens in a wide beam may illuminate deck, lifelines, etc. and blind the user. A less powerful but more focused narrow beam may reflect less from the boat but may be less valuable in finding marks. For instance, here's a powerful spotlight: http://www.larsonelectronics.com/p-46865-15-million-candlepower-hid-handhel d-spotlight-16-ccord-w-cigarette-plug.aspx If you fired that thing up and tried to use it, you would probably destroy your night vision for a week. Glare reduction is also a factor. The Optronics Blue Eye claims glare reduction technology. However, it gets bad reviews for the cord being stiff and not extending. So far the Streamlite Waypoint looks good but might not be a huge improvement over my existing plain Jane big box spotlight. I continue to explore lights with the newer LED technologies such as the Cree LEDs. I welcome any more comments and suggestions. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com wrote: Dwight, it would be way too simple if everyone used the same measurement units or the same standards for expressing how bright the light is. As I said initially, the light I have is advertised as 800 lm. That is a lot for a little light like this. I think it is quite bright, but everything is relative. I don't know, really, how far it would light up an object. I never tested this. I am much more concerned (when I am biking in the woods) about very good illumination of objects that are fairly close (the rocks, the roots, the trees). In fact I carry two lights; one on the handlebar and the other on my helmet. One shows where I am going, the other - where I am looking. It is a very bright light, but I am afraid that it does not hold a candle (;-) to some of the big spot lights like the ones that others were talking about. I think that the biggest issue is not necessarily the brightness, but the reflector (quality). As someone mentioned, you want to have a very narrow beam (I am just waiting for a laser application) or you risk getting all kinds of reflections off the boat's rigging. The biggest advantage of the little light like this is that it is small, reasonably inexpensive and it can point (easily) where you are looking (you can wear it). The one I have comes with a lithium battery, so it keeps its voltage quite well (months if not used). Marek -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:56:06 -0300 From: dwight dwight...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Waypoint handheld spot lite Message-ID: CE37164032B14364B0A1971436DD79E5@your4dacd0ea75 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marek I have some difficulty relating lumen to candela.are these lights focused so that all 800 lm are directed.the correlation is usually stated by 1 candela = 12.57 lumen but with this calculator: http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/light/candela-to-lumen-calculator.htm 30=64228 lumens at an apex angle of 30 degrees so What does 800 lumens actually look light, bright for distance I mean? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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As a general FYI, I have found dive lights to be the best boat lights. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Not on a rainy night when you're trying to find your way down a twisty narrow channel. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:04, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I have been researching this as well since I don’t have a spotlight currently. It looks to me like the Stanley/Black and Decker have nice feature/price tradeoff. You can get waterproof, LED, Li battery, trigger lock, hi/lo setting etc in a relatively cheap package. Unfortunately, they don’t have one with a night vision feature, but for finding a mooring in the dark, I don’t think that is critical. They also don’t have one that has all the features you would want in one package. I like that they hold a charge for a year when not used. I also like that every single problem complaint on Amazon was answered by the company with contact information to deal with the problem and there were relatively few of those. I plan to get the Stanley version (LEDLIS 10 watt- hi/lo, Li, AC/DC, trigger lock) which at $50 seems like a good compromise. Dave David KnechtAries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Everything helps I guess. We get plenty of fog and rain here and a flashlight is usually the last tool I look for. I find that being night-blind is worse than straining to see through the dark. On overnights, I generally turn off all the instrument lights except the compass and have an occasional peek below to see precisely where I am. It's surprising how well one can see after the eyes adjust to the darkness. I install a lot of equipment and have never understood the notion of putting everything behind the wheel and spending helm time totally occupied by the magic of electrons. Just me:) Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 15:09, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Not on a rainy night when you're trying to find your way down a twisty narrow channel. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:04, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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My best tool for night is good 7X50 binoculars. It is amazing how much you can see at night with good ones. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Everything helps I guess. We get plenty of fog and rain here and a flashlight is usually the last tool I look for. I find that being night-blind is worse than straining to see through the dark. On overnights, I generally turn off all the instrument lights except the compass and have an occasional peek below to see precisely where I am. It's surprising how well one can see after the eyes adjust to the darkness. I install a lot of equipment and have never understood the notion of putting everything behind the wheel and spending helm time totally occupied by the magic of electrons. Just me:) Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 15:09, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.commailto:a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Not on a rainy night when you're trying to find your way down a twisty narrow channel. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:04, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.camailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.commailto:dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I like just having the red light on at the chart table.that's the only cabin light expect for the LED lantern in the head.while underway on deck the read compass light, light from the chartplotter, engine control panel lights, running lights, bow light, stern light, 300,000 candela spotlight at the ready, LED flashlight.I find the high power spotlight very useful around here at times to return home safely and to find an anchorage and also to see along the shoreline while anchored _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: March 13, 2014 3:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Everything helps I guess. We get plenty of fog and rain here and a flashlight is usually the last tool I look for. I find that being night-blind is worse than straining to see through the dark. On overnights, I generally turn off all the instrument lights except the compass and have an occasional peek below to see precisely where I am. It's surprising how well one can see after the eyes adjust to the darkness. I install a lot of equipment and have never understood the notion of putting everything behind the wheel and spending helm time totally occupied by the magic of electrons. Just me:) Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 15:09, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Not on a rainy night when you're trying to find your way down a twisty narrow channel. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:04, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Joe Those glasses must have very good light capturing capability.what brand do you have? _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: March 13, 2014 4:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights My best tool for night is good 7X50 binoculars. It is amazing how much you can see at night with good ones. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rich Knowles Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Handheld spotlights Everything helps I guess. We get plenty of fog and rain here and a flashlight is usually the last tool I look for. I find that being night-blind is worse than straining to see through the dark. On overnights, I generally turn off all the instrument lights except the compass and have an occasional peek below to see precisely where I am. It's surprising how well one can see after the eyes adjust to the darkness. I install a lot of equipment and have never understood the notion of putting everything behind the wheel and spending helm time totally occupied by the magic of electrons. Just me:) Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 15:09, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Not on a rainy night when you're trying to find your way down a twisty narrow channel. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:04, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: Radar makes a terrific flashlight. Rich On Mar 13, 2014, at 1:57 PM, dwight dwight...@gmail.com wrote: , but the real problem when I use it is steaming in dark and foggy conditions at night. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
