Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

A story about sailing a small boat, a C&C 24:

https://issuu.com/spinsheetpublishingcompany/docs/sept_ss_2017

Page 88-89

Cheers!

-- 
Doug Ellmore, Sr.
s/v Red Sky, 1976 C&C 24
d...@ellmore.net
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat/dingy

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

When we were young we had a day camp at a local club that provided swimming, 
tennis and dingy sailing lessons.  Great place to send your kids for the day 
and a whole lot of fun.  It was all kids during the day and we had the run of 
the place.  While the youngest three of us failed miserably at tennis lessons 
and goofed around in the salt water pool my older brother and sister learned to 
sail on Flying Juniors.  Then our family bought a Chinook 13 which was similar 
which we kept on a mooring at our cottage on a lake.  My sister took me sailing 
a number of times and passed on some of what she learned.  We did this in 
between water skiing, swamping our canoe and just plain goofing around all 
summer at our cottage on a lake.  Was great!

One day early on I had a friend over for the weekend and we went sailing.  We 
were likely 10 years old.  That was the day that I learned you always sail 
upwind first and downwind home.  After a nice downwind sail to an island we had 
of course named “Gilligan’s Island” we proceeded to tack back to our cottage.  
I think we capsized at least a half dozen times and were completely exhausted, 
wet and cold when we finally got back.

We sold the summer cottage and moved to a house on an inlet off the ocean.  The 
Chinook was a bit small so it became a Paceship 17 which my younger brother and 
I sailed a lot and I even took our Irish Wolfhound out for a sail in (exactly 
once).  We still had a 17 foot tri hull Glastron powerboat but that was no good 
for the ocean.  After the tri hull was traded for a 20 ft deep vee and my 
brother and I sailed out to Chebucto Head on this Paceship 17 and upon my Dad 
hearing this the Paceship was turned into a McVay Minuette (similar to a 
Bluenose Sloop (19 ft with an elongated fin keel).  The Deep Vee Glastron 
became a Spirit 28 and our Mom and Dad began learning their life sailing 
lessons.  My brother and I thoroughly enjoyed the Minuette and even tried 
racing it once (everyone else was packed up and gone home before we ever 
arrived where the finish line had been).  The Spirit 28 lasted one full season 
before it became a C&C 36.

The time and life lessons that were learned starting in that 13 foot dingy 
still last to this day.

In 1990 the C&C was sold, shortly after the Minuette was sold and I was living 
in Ottawa.  It would be another 10 years, a family and no sailing later that we 
had to start paying for our own boats (Paceship P23).  When we accidentally 
ended up with a George Hinterhoeller designed and built Niagara 26 we started 
to do some very casual racing.  The lessons learned in those dingies were 
useful.  My wife had taken Junior sailing and it helped her just as much. 15 
years and three boats later we now have the Frers 33 and my wife is a very 
competent helmsperson when we race.  I get to drive when we are delivering.

The C&C25 is a fantastic boat to sail, to use and to learn on.  Our friends had 
a 25 (formerly had a Laser 2) and they learned and won a lot.  We raced them 
extensively while on our Niagara.  We also cruised both boats for up to a week 
at a time.  The 25 is a small big boat or maybe even a big small boat.  It is a 
wonderful boat.  However be warned that our friends C&C 25 turned into a C&C 99 
a number of years and many dollars later.  The 25 is inexpensive and a great 
starting point but like the rest of us you will soon find yourself finding ways 
to spend more money!

… and I just have to say this.  After trimming main on a C&C 115 for 6 years I 
really miss that main!  It was one of the nicest sails I ever had the pleasure 
to work with.

Sorry for the long rambly email.  Runs in the family

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

+1 for racing in your local club. It gets you out regularly, immerses you in a 
community of experienced sailors, and gives you access to a variety of boats.  
Before buying Grenadine I crewed on other people’s boats for years, and learned 
a lot.   Those were J/22s, Capri-22s, and a Merit 25.  Made me think about what 
I wanted in a boat: enough accommodations below to overnight on, but still a 
performance-oriented boat.  When a spinnaker-rigged 30-1 came on the market in 
Colorado, it was perfect for me.  Now I’m paying it forward, having newbie 
regular crew and various guests on my boat for racing every Wednesday night.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Ditto racing for improving your skills.
> 
> I crewed for several years on club race boats.  
> 
> One weekend some friends and I decided to sail to an anchorage a 2-3 hours 
> away. My boat at the time was an Alan Gurney design O'Day 27.  The other 
> boats were a Catalina 27 and a Hunter 27, each crewed by a couple.  
> 
> I was single handing.  We all left at the same time but I arrived at the 
> anchorage about an hour before the other two boats.
> 
> My race experience simply made me faster without much extra effort.  Lesson 
> learned.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Here are my 2 cents. 
> I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
> After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to sail his 
> Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas. When I went 
> aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months later I still 
> didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore sailing on a 32' 
> boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
> Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden Boats in 
> trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of sailing. Small 
> sloop rigged JK boats , 
> with proper sails, leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds 
> from all directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, 
> kayakers, etc. etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
> Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a US 27 with 
> my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and felt like I 
> knew what I was doing.
> Dumped the US 27, bought a C&C 30-2.
> Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
> Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as others 
> think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper seamanship, 
> offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter wind waves. 
> Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it. Racing gives me 
> confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and asymmetrical chutes, 
> reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out multiple times a week, on a 
> variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the sky, rain, high winds, or no 
> winds.
> Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all different 
> stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the docks in the 
> marina. These people have become friends, on and off the water.
> My advice is to get the C&C 25' if it seems right, but do all you can to get 
> out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is where you 
> will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of people doing 
> so.
> You will also an excellent group of local C&C owners and racers, like Alan 
> and Fred in Portland. 
> 
> Best,
> Kevin
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie 16, 
> then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon in Maho 
> Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple years back, I 
> capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst knocked down the J/22 
> I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed 
> a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina, and slewed around in a 38-foot 
> catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 
> 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in 
> every trough.  In my limited experience sailing for about the last decade, I 
> think every boat can teach you something about how boats handle, 
> comparatively.
> 
> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before and 
> after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig the 
> dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from its 
> storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a lot 
> less work every time you sa

Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ditto racing for improving your skills.

I crewed for several years on club race boats.

One weekend some friends and I decided to sail to an anchorage a 2-3 hours
away. My boat at the time was an Alan Gurney design O'Day 27.  The other
boats were a Catalina 27 and a Hunter 27, each crewed by a couple.

I was single handing.  We all left at the same time but I arrived at the
anchorage about an hour before the other two boats.

My race experience simply made me faster without much extra effort.  Lesson
learned.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here are my 2 cents.
>
>- I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
>- After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to
>sail his Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas.
>When I went aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months
>later I still didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore
>sailing on a 32' boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
>- Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden
>Boats in trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of
>sailing. Small sloop rigged JK boats
>, with proper
>sails, leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds from all
>directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, kayakers, etc.
>etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
>- Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a
>US 27 with my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and
>felt like I knew what I was doing.
>- Dumped the US 27, bought a C&C 30-2.
>- Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
>- Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as
>others think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper
>seamanship, offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter
>wind waves. Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it.
>Racing gives me confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and
>asymmetrical chutes, reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out
>multiple times a week, on a variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the
>sky, rain, high winds, or no winds.
>- Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all
>different stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the
>docks in the marina. These people have become friends, on and off the 
> water.
>- My advice is to get the C&C 25' if it seems right, but do all you
>can to get out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is
>where you will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of
>people doing so.
>
> You will also an excellent group of local C&C owners and racers, like Alan
> and Fred in Portland.
>
> Best,
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie
>> 16, then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon
>> in Maho Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple
>> years back, I capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst
>> knocked down the J/22 I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield
>> Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina,
>> and slewed around in a 38-foot catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I
>> roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia
>> Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in every trough.  In my limited
>> experience sailing for about the last decade, I think every boat can teach
>> you something about how boats handle, comparatively.
>>
>> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before
>> and after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig
>> the dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from
>> its storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a
>> lot less work every time you sail it.
>>
>> That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter
>> and I sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We
>> didn’t capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy Stafford
>> S/V Grenadine
>> C&C 30-1 #7
>> Ken Caryl, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech
>> dinghies, cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.
>> Things happen fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really
>> learn to balanc

Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Here are my 2 cents.

   - I didn't grow up sailing or on the water but was always drawn.
   - After undergrad, I signed on as crew with a friend of a friend to sail
   his Camper Nicolson 32 down the East Coast and out to the Bahamas. When I
   went aboard I did not know how to sail and when I left 6 months later I
   still didn't know how to sail, though I thought I did. (Offshore sailing on
   a 32' boat with a wind vane will not teach you how to sail.)
   - Later I moved to Seattle and volunteered at the Center for Wooden
   Boats in trade for free sailing time. This is where I learned basics of
   sailing. Small sloop rigged JK boats
   , with proper sails,
   leaving and docking under sail, constantly changing winds from all
   directions on Seattle's Lake Union. Other boats, airplanes, kayakers, etc.
   etc. to deal with. Forces that make you learn.
   - Got busy with grad school moved to Portland, got married, bought a US
   27 with my wife and then started sailing again. Had the basics down and
   felt like I knew what I was doing.
   - Dumped the US 27, bought a C&C 30-2.
   - Then I started racing...mostly on others boats.
   - Racing is taught me how to sail. I thought I knew how to sail, as
   others think they do, but I really didn't. Racing taught me proper
   seamanship, offshore at night with Pacific swells, currents and counter
   wind waves. Racing taught me rights-of-way without thinking about it.
   Racing gives me confidence in different conditions with symmetrical and
   asymmetrical chutes, reefing, sail trim, etc, etc. Racing gets me out
   multiple times a week, on a variety of boats, regardless of clouds in the
   sky, rain, high winds, or no winds.
   - Racing introduced me to a whole community of people, of all different
   stripes, who love sailing. Way more than I would have met on the docks in
   the marina. These people have become friends, on and off the water.
   - My advice is to get the C&C 25' if it seems right, but do all you can
   to get out racing on someone else's boat and smaller boats too. This is
   where you will actually learn to sail and you meet an excellent group of
   people doing so.

You will also an excellent group of local C&C owners and racers, like Alan
and Fred in Portland.

Best,
Kevin

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie
> 16, then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon
> in Maho Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple
> years back, I capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst
> knocked down the J/22 I was sailing several years ago on Chatfield
> Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina,
> and slewed around in a 38-foot catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I
> roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 37-kt winds crossing the Bequia
> Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in every trough.  In my limited
> experience sailing for about the last decade, I think every boat can teach
> you something about how boats handle, comparatively.
>
> My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before
> and after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig
> the dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from
> its storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a
> lot less work every time you sail it.
>
> That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter
> and I sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We didn’t
> capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies,
> cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen
> fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to
> balance the boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and
> athleticism - particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in
> the water and climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more
> performance oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which
> is a completely different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a
> foredeck, etc.  Honestly, if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have
> stopped sailing.  Little bit of time in an Etchells 22 around that time as
> well.  From there I knew I didn't want to race so I moved into more
> cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 foot Soling, then a Pearson 26,
> an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 and a Cal 33.  So I've
> taken starter lessons in both a 12 foote

Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I’ve had learning experiences on boats of many sizes.  I capsized a Hobie 16, 
then sideslipped into a mega-yacht with it, all on the same afternoon in Maho 
Bay, St. John.  Single-handing a Coronado 15 in 20 kts a couple years back, I 
capsized and couldn’t right it by myself.  A microburst knocked down the J/22 I 
was sailing several years ago on Chatfield Reservoir.  For ASA-104 I sailed a 
Bavaria 46 from Long Beach to Catalina, and slewed around in a 38-foot 
catamaran on the way back.  In 2013 I roller-coastered through 15’ waves and 
37-kt winds crossing the Bequia Channel in a Jenneau 45, burying the bow in 
every trough.  In my limited experience sailing for about the last decade, I 
think every boat can teach you something about how boats handle, comparatively.

My main complaint about dinghy sailing is that it is a lot of work before and 
after the actual sailing part.  At minimum you have to launch and rig the 
dinghy, then unrig and recover it, and possibly also tow it to / from its 
storage place.  Maybe I’m lazy, but I prefer a keelboat in a slip - a lot less 
work every time you sail it.

That said, here’s a picture from a bowsprit-mounted GoPro of my daughter and I 
sailing a Topaz dinghy in 25mph winds last month: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeXVMS3Z2OWdNUGs.  We didn’t 
capsize that night but we kept a rail wet the whole time :)

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO


> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:36 PM, Mark G via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies, 
> cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen 
> fast in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to balance 
> the boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and athleticism - 
> particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in the water and 
> climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more performance 
> oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which is a 
> completely different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a foredeck, 
> etc.  Honestly, if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have stopped 
> sailing.  Little bit of time in an Etchells 22 around that time as well.  
> From there I knew I didn't want to race so I moved into more 
> cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 foot Soling, then a Pearson 26, 
> an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 and a Cal 33.  So I've taken 
> starter lessons in both a 12 footer and a 22 footer.  For an adult, I think 
> you're much better off starting in a 22 foot keelboat than a 12 foot dinghy.
> My first and only boat has been the C&C 25 Mk1.  I initially looked at 
> everything made in any kind of quantity between 21 feet and 28 feet.  I 
> settled on the 24-26 foot size.  I wanted something you could overnight in, 
> without the complexity of a diesel.  I continued to look hard at everything 
> made in any kind of quantity in that size range.  I loved boat donation 
> auctions - a chance to see a lot of boats at once without an owner or a 
> broker breathing down your neck.  And the best way to identify a 
> well-maintained boat is to see some poor ones.  After seeing my first C&C 25, 
> I settled on that make / model.  Looked at a few examples, then bought one.  
> Inexpensive, good condition, my only regret being I didn't buy a boat with 
> more upgrades.  I've since converted to jiffy reefing, put on a furler, a 
> boom vang, a stern rail, an adjustable traveler, a backstay adjuster.  This 
> stuff in total far exceeds what I paid for the boat.
> If you sail in any kind of wind, a newbie sailor needs to know how to depower 
> the boat and needs the gadgets on the boat that allow him to do so.  Newbie 
> sailors tend to sail with friends and family who know nothing about sailing 
> and won't be much help when things get exciting.  If the newbie sailor can't 
> depower the boat from the cockpit with minimal assistance from "crew" 
> (guests), they'll be terrorized and probably won't come back.
> Mark 
> C&C 25
> Dartmouth, MA
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Mark G via CnC-List]

I didn't start sailing til my early 30's.  I started out in Tech dinghies, 
cat-rigged 12 footers.  Dinghies are a great way to learn.  Things happen fast 
in a dinghy.  And since you're the ballast, you really learn to balance the 
boat.  But they require a certain level of fitness and athleticism - 
particularly when you flip them and you have to right them in the water and 
climb back in.  I then moved to 14 foot FJ's, a little more performance 
oriented but basically more of the same.  Then to a J24, which is a completely 
different experience: you're in a cockpit, you have a foredeck, etc.  Honestly, 
if I hadn't graduated to the J24, I might have stopped sailing.  Little bit of 
time in an Etchells 22 around that time as well.  From there I knew I didn't 
want to race so I moved into more cruising-oriented lessons.  Boats were a 22 
foot Soling, then a Pearson 26, an Albin 28, a J29, a Pearson 31, a Pearson 303 
and a Cal 33.  So I've taken starter lessons in both a 12 footer and a 22 
footer.  For an adult, I think you're much better off starting in a 22 foot 
keelboat than a 12 foot dinghy.

My first and only boat has been the C&C 25 Mk1.  I initially looked at 
everything made in any kind of quantity between 21 feet and 28 feet.  I settled 
on the 24-26 foot size.  I wanted something you could overnight in, without the 
complexity of a diesel.  I continued to look hard at everything made in any 
kind of quantity in that size range.  I loved boat donation auctions - a chance 
to see a lot of boats at once without an owner or a broker breathing down your 
neck.  And the best way to identify a well-maintained boat is to see some poor 
ones.  After seeing my first C&C 25, I settled on that make / model.  Looked at 
a few examples, then bought one.  Inexpensive, good condition, my only regret 
being I didn't buy a boat with more upgrades.  I've since converted to jiffy 
reefing, put on a furler, a boom vang, a stern rail, an adjustable traveler, a 
backstay adjuster.  This stuff in total far exceeds what I paid for the boat.

If you sail in any kind of wind, a newbie sailor needs to know how to depower 
the boat and needs the gadgets on the boat that allow him to do so.  Newbie 
sailors tend to sail with friends and family who know nothing about sailing and 
won't be much help when things get exciting.  If the newbie sailor can't 
depower the boat from the cockpit with minimal assistance from "crew" (guests), 
they'll be terrorized and probably won't come back.

Mark 
C&C 25
Dartmouth, MA___

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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I tried windsurfing and I failed miserably. I find that the instincts work 
completely differently.

Interestingly, a dinghy and a 60' boat(and anything in between), in my mind, 
behave in a similar fashion, with some exceptions.

Marek


 Original message 
From: David Kaseler via CnC-List 
Date: 8/30/17 13:48 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Kaseler 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

I agree with Marek except for his comments about windsurfing. I have only tried 
windsurfing once and failed but if I were to start this sailing thing over 
again I would start in a dinghy, then spend some time on a windsurfer to help 
me learn to steer with my sails and angle of heal, so to learn to minimize the 
use of the dreaded break. Some call this the rudder. The less you use your 
rudder the faster you go. This all translates to big boats but is much easier 
to feel in a dinghy. My wife, the sailing coach, has her high school team 
members sail in practice with the rudder removed. With some practice, they do 
fine.
Dave.
1975 C&C 33
SLY

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On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to adjust 
a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a sail and 
how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said before, I 
have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it would be to 
steer a large ship.

Frank


On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other.

Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing.

Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat.

Marek

 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: John Irvin mailto:skis...@outlook.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C&C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

I agree with Marek except for his comments about windsurfing. I have only tried 
windsurfing once and failed but if I were to start this sailing thing over 
again I would start in a dinghy, then spend some time on a windsurfer to help 
me learn to steer with my sails and angle of heal, so to learn to minimize the 
use of the dreaded break. Some call this the rudder. The less you use your 
rudder the faster you go. This all translates to big boats but is much easier 
to feel in a dinghy. My wife, the sailing coach, has her high school team 
members sail in practice with the rudder removed. With some practice, they do 
fine.
Dave.
1975 C&C 33
SLY

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to 
> adjust a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a 
> sail and how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said 
> before, I have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it 
> would be to steer a large ship.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
> different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on 
> snow, but one skill does not translate to the other. 
> 
> Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
> don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
> much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing. 
> 
> Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how 
> to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the 
> proper technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) 
> boat. 
> 
> Marek 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
> Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: John Irvin 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
> 
> Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.
> 
> sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
> or J24's.
>> 
>> Neil
>> Foxfire C&C 32
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> Neil Andersen
>> 20691 Jamieson Rd
>> Rock Hall, MD 21661
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

I am not recommending learning on a sailboard but it teaches you how to adjust 
a sail.  Only on a sailboard do you feel the pressure of the wind on a sail and 
how you have to adjust for the direction of the wind.  Like I said before, I 
have sailed large and small and enjoyed them all.  What a thrill it would be to 
steer a large ship.
Frank 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:23 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

  Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other. 
Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing. 
Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat. 
Marek 
 Original message From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
 Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John Irvin  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat 
Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

NeilFoxfire C&C 32Rock Hall, MD
Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Violeta M Ivanova via CnC-List]

I learned to sail on dinghies more years ago than I care to admit. I still
sail dinghies, though my preference is now to roomy boats like the 420; not
too motivated to sail a Laser these days. Dinghies (1) are fun, (2) keep my
basic sailing skills alive, and (3) keep me humble. No matter how many big
boats I skipper now, a dinghy can still get me in the water pretty quickly.

Dinghy sailors make the best helmsmen for yachts. Yeah, it may be a
40-footer or a 60-footer or whatever, and the seas can build big offshore,
but that primal feel of how a boat moves on the water driven by the wind
still works. I developed that feel on little tipsy things on the Charles
River in Boston, and it works in the middle of the Atlantic, too.

I've seen a fair number of big-ego big-boaters who steer a sailing yacht
like a car. That or punch in the auto pilot and never bother to trim the
sails properly to balance the boat. It drives me crazy.

This being said, dinghies may be unrealistic choice, if one starts sailing
late in life or has limited agility for other reasons. Small keelboats
(maybe with an outboard?) could be a good choice in this case. From the C&C
family, I have only sailed a 1970s C&C 43 so far. One of my favorite boats
ever - she sails like a dream! - but she is not a beginner's boat.

In any case, it is never too late to fall in love with sailing! :-)

Violeta



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Kurt Heckert via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Good morning, I teach sailing for an ASA school in Atlanta, we use the
> Capri 22 as our teaching platform because it is small enough to get a real
> feel for the boat, such as weather helm but large enough to learn all of
> the skills you need for bigger boats. When our students move up to larger
> boats the biggest thing they need to learn is the difference in power and
> mass and the care and feeding of the diesel.
>
> Kurt Heckert
> Heart & Soul
> C&C 35 mkII
> Atlanta GA
>
> ----
> On Wed, 8/30/17, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
>  To: "C&C List" 
>  Cc: "Marek Dziedzic" 
>  Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 6:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool
>  for sailing.  Totally different technique. It is like
>  snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, but one
>  skill does not translate to the other.
>
>
>
>  Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some
>  older people  (and I don't mean old) may find them
>  uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn much easier
>  the basic techniques of sail trimming and general
>  sailing.
>
>
>
>  Of course, this would not help with big boat handling.
>  You need to learn how to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop,
>  or what a prop walk is. Even the proper technique of
>  hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?)
>  boat.
>
>
>
>  Marek
>
>
>
>
>   Original message 
>  From: John Irvin via CnC-List
>  
>  Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
>  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>  Cc: John Irvin 
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
>
>
>
>
>
>  Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely
>  for mall boat sailing.
>
>
>
>  sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in
>  Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Neil
>  Foxfire C&C 32
>  Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
>  Neil Andersen
>
>  20691 Jamieson Rd
>
>  Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat (Franklin Schenk)

[Doug Ellmore via CnC-List]

4 years ago, the parents of one of the HS cross country athletes I coached
gave me a 1964 Pearson Hawk 15.5' day sailor.  It had been sitting under a
walnut tree for 16 years.  It was a mess on a trailer.

I power washed it inside and out and then went through the process of
restoring it.

I sailed it two years on the West River, many time sailing out to Thomas
Point in the Chesapeake Bay.  I did a number of thing to make single handed
race oriented sailing possible.

In 2016, I got a deal on a 1976 C&C 24.  I raced it during the fall on 2016
and did pretty well.  I then did a lot of running rigging changes to
improve sail trim and single/short handed racing.

We had a lot of good success with it this year racing.  Our only issue is
the with a PHRF of 234, in flaky light air, we struggle if the air dies at
the end of a Wednesday evening race.  We typically finish mid pack with old
cruising sails.

The 25' will be nicer with the head with privacy.  I switched the 24' head
to a portable head with a removable tray.  It hardly is ever used.

You'll really improve your sailing skills if you learn the wind range of
your boat and sail in all types of weather.

Good Luck with the C&C 25!

-- 
Doug Ellmore, Sr.
s/v Red Sky, 1976 C&C 24
d...@ellmore.net
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Kurt Heckert via CnC-List]

Good morning, I teach sailing for an ASA school in Atlanta, we use the Capri 22 
as our teaching platform because it is small enough to get a real feel for the 
boat, such as weather helm but large enough to learn all of the skills you need 
for bigger boats. When our students move up to larger boats the biggest thing 
they need to learn is the difference in power and mass and the care and feeding 
of the diesel.

Kurt Heckert
Heart & Soul
C&C 35 mkII
Atlanta GA


On Wed, 8/30/17, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
 To: "C&C List" 
 Cc: "Marek Dziedzic" 
 Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017, 6:22 AM
 
 
 
  
 
 
 Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool
 for sailing.  Totally different technique. It is like
 snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, but one
 skill does not translate to the other. 
 
 
 
 Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some
 older people  (and I don't mean old) may find them
 uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn much easier
 the basic techniques of sail trimming and general
 sailing. 
 
 
 
 Of course, this would not help with big boat handling.
 You need to learn how to dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop,
 or what a prop walk is. Even the proper technique of
 hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?)
 boat. 
 
 
 
 Marek 
 
 
 
 
  Original message 
 From: John Irvin via CnC-List
  
 Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00) 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Cc: John Irvin  
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
 
 
 
 
 
 Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely
 for mall boat sailing.
 
 
 
 sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in
 Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Neil
 Foxfire C&C 32
 Rock Hall, MD
 
 
 
 
 Neil Andersen
 
 20691 Jamieson Rd
 
 Rock Hall, MD 21661
 
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Actually, I don't find windsurfing as a learning tool for sailing.  Totally 
different technique. It is like snowboarding and skiing- both are done on snow, 
but one skill does not translate to the other.

Dinghy, on the other hand, will teach you a lot. Some older people  (and I 
don't mean old) may find them uncomfortable or challenging, but you can learn 
much easier the basic techniques of sail trimming and general sailing.

Of course, this would not help with big boat handling. You need to learn how to 
dock, moor, anchor, do a MOB, stop, or what a prop walk is. Even the proper 
technique of hoisting sails. That you need to learn on a big (bigger?) boat.

Marek

 Original message 
From: John Irvin via CnC-List 
Date: 8/29/17 21:44 (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Irvin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

sailing schools that I have heard of start novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's 
or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C&C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I agree.  I didn't mean to imply I'm against the dinghy; except for 
beginners.After we learned more on the San Juan 24, a responsive keel boat, we 
bought a Thistle to race on Sunday.  It was a blast!  You could always tell a 
Thistle sailor on the lot; wore his knee pads backwards (narrow rail to hike 
out on).RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL


  From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 To: CnClist  
Cc: Dennis C. 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:21 PM
 Subject: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
   
Seems to be interest in this topic.
I'm a strange one.  I'm a recovering beach cat sailor but I understand the 
wisdom of learning to sail in a small boat.
I greatly improved my sailing acumen with some time on a Laser and again on a 
Lido (Still have the Lido).  Simply put, you can feel the tiniest changes in a 
small boat.  Shift your weight an inch or so and it affects the boat.  Wave 
effects are amplified.  You just "feel" the boat so much better.  Plus, 
dinghies are a kick in the butt to sail.  Good fun!
Many of the best sailors in my area started in dinghies.  We have Mallory Cup 
winners, regional winners, etc.  They all swear by learning in dinghies.  
Everything you learn in a dinghy transfers to big boats.
On the other hand, I can appreciate that many folks are uncomfortable in small, 
unstable dinghies.  Heck, many folks are uncomfortable on some big stiff 
sailboats.  :)
If you're a cruiser who is not interested in racing or performance sailing, you 
should have no problem skipping the dinghy learning.  If you want to improve 
your sailing skills, consider jumping in a sailing dinghy and playing.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

I learned to sail in a Columbia 25 MKII.  It was easy because it was forgiving. 
 My sailboard was a lot more difficult because I had to react quickly.  I do 
not think it makes much difference in how you learn IF YOU LEARN.  I have 
sailed boats as small as a Sunfish and as large as a 30 foot Catalina.  I enjoy 
all of them.
Frank 

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:20 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Seems to be interest in this topic.
I'm a strange one.  I'm a recovering beach cat sailor but I understand the 
wisdom of learning to sail in a small boat.
I greatly improved my sailing acumen with some time on a Laser and again on a 
Lido (Still have the Lido).  Simply put, you can feel the tiniest changes in a 
small boat.  Shift your weight an inch or so and it affects the boat.  Wave 
effects are amplified.  You just "feel" the boat so much better.  Plus, 
dinghies are a kick in the butt to sail.  Good fun!
Many of the best sailors in my area started in dinghies.  We have Mallory Cup 
winners, regional winners, etc.  They all swear by learning in dinghies.  
Everything you learn in a dinghy transfers to big boats.
On the other hand, I can appreciate that many folks are uncomfortable in small, 
unstable dinghies.  Heck, many folks are uncomfortable on some big stiff 
sailboats.  :)
If you're a cruiser who is not interested in racing or performance sailing, you 
should have no problem skipping the dinghy learning.  If you want to improve 
your sailing skills, consider jumping in a sailing dinghy and playing.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, 
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

At my father's sailing school (in Victoria, BC), we taught literally hundreds 
of people to sail. What kind of boats did we teach on, you ask. We used the 
best boats my father could find for the purpose, a C&C 27 and 24.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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> On Aug 29, 2017, at 21:25, Neil Andersen via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, many of the sailing schools that I have heard of start 
> novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.
> 
> Neil
> Foxfire C&C 32
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dennis C. via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:20:07 PM
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat
>  
> Seems to be interest in this topic.
> 
> I'm a strange one.  I'm a recovering beach cat sailor but I understand the 
> wisdom of learning to sail in a small boat.
> 
> I greatly improved my sailing acumen with some time on a Laser and again on a 
> Lido (Still have the Lido).  Simply put, you can feel the tiniest changes in 
> a small boat.  Shift your weight an inch or so and it affects the boat.  Wave 
> effects are amplified.  You just "feel" the boat so much better.  Plus, 
> dinghies are a kick in the butt to sail.  Good fun!
> 
> Many of the best sailors in my area started in dinghies.  We have Mallory Cup 
> winners, regional winners, etc.  They all swear by learning in dinghies.  
> Everything you learn in a dinghy transfers to big boats.
> 
> On the other hand, I can appreciate that many folks are uncomfortable in 
> small, unstable dinghies.  Heck, many folks are uncomfortable on some big 
> stiff sailboats.  :)
> 
> If you're a cruiser who is not interested in racing or performance sailing, 
> you should have no problem skipping the dinghy learning.  If you want to 
> improve your sailing skills, consider jumping in a sailing dinghy and playing.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Very good points. Windsurfing will substitute nicely for mall boat sailing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

For what it's worth, many of the sailing schools that I have heard of start 
novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C&C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:20:07 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Seems to be interest in this topic.

I'm a strange one.  I'm a recovering beach cat sailor but I understand the 
wisdom of learning to sail in a small boat.

I greatly improved my sailing acumen with some time on a Laser and again on a 
Lido (Still have the Lido).  Simply put, you can feel the tiniest changes in a 
small boat.  Shift your weight an inch or so and it affects the boat.  Wave 
effects are amplified.  You just "feel" the boat so much better.  Plus, 
dinghies are a kick in the butt to sail.  Good fun!

Many of the best sailors in my area started in dinghies.  We have Mallory Cup 
winners, regional winners, etc.  They all swear by learning in dinghies.  
Everything you learn in a dinghy transfers to big boats.

On the other hand, I can appreciate that many folks are uncomfortable in small, 
unstable dinghies.  Heck, many folks are uncomfortable on some big stiff 
sailboats.  :)

If you're a cruiser who is not interested in racing or performance sailing, you 
should have no problem skipping the dinghy learning.  If you want to improve 
your sailing skills, consider jumping in a sailing dinghy and playing.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

For what it's worth, many of the sailing schools that I have heard of start 
novices out in Catalina/Capri 21's or J24's.

Neil
Foxfire C&C 32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 9:20:07 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Learning to sail in a small boat

Seems to be interest in this topic.

I'm a strange one.  I'm a recovering beach cat sailor but I understand the 
wisdom of learning to sail in a small boat.

I greatly improved my sailing acumen with some time on a Laser and again on a 
Lido (Still have the Lido).  Simply put, you can feel the tiniest changes in a 
small boat.  Shift your weight an inch or so and it affects the boat.  Wave 
effects are amplified.  You just "feel" the boat so much better.  Plus, 
dinghies are a kick in the butt to sail.  Good fun!

Many of the best sailors in my area started in dinghies.  We have Mallory Cup 
winners, regional winners, etc.  They all swear by learning in dinghies.  
Everything you learn in a dinghy transfers to big boats.

On the other hand, I can appreciate that many folks are uncomfortable in small, 
unstable dinghies.  Heck, many folks are uncomfortable on some big stiff 
sailboats.  :)

If you're a cruiser who is not interested in racing or performance sailing, you 
should have no problem skipping the dinghy learning.  If you want to improve 
your sailing skills, consider jumping in a sailing dinghy and playing.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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