Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

For the older style NAVTEC rigging the “balls” at the top of the should move 
freely allowing access to inspect the heads.   Most times a simple visual with 
a magnifying glass will show any defects such as cracking.   If seen they 
should be polished and then do a dye penetrant test.   More problematic are the 
studs at the turnbuckles.   If they have been peened then there is no way to 
remove them without cutting the rod.  If they aren’t peened then should be able 
to heat the fitting to loosen the locktite and unscrew it for inspection.   To 
do a complete inspection of older rod (70’s/80’s vintage" it is best to unstep 
the mast.



 
Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Dec 26, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Paul Wyand via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't the ends need to have mushrooms cut off and resweaged? if so I would 
> let a good rigger experienced with rod rigging do it, and do a dye test at 
> the same time. They usually use longer fittings to make up for the loss in 
> lenght and it is supposed to be done periodically, though I have no idea how 
> often. Or consider replacing it all as it could be time anyway, rod lasts 
> longer than wire but not for ever. 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 6:14 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Ok so i didn’t see this before i posted so that makes it plus 2 on the 
> importance of shrouds on sailboats
> 
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:48 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig will 
> likely need tuned.
> 
> IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a 
> professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel, 
> having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing that 
> can happen on a sailboat.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom 83309
> C 36XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Michael Brannon mailto:ff1...@aol.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds
> 
> I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old style 
> NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of the 
> boat.
> 
> 
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Hello fellow Listers,
> 
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
> loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as 
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't 
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without 
> or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
> 
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Typical rod rigging mast side ends are "cold formed" directly from the
rod.  They don't need cut off for removal of the shroud.

Josh Muckley
S /V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 11:17 AM Paul Wyand via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't the ends need to have mushrooms cut off and resweaged? if so I would
> let a good rigger experienced with rod rigging do it, and do a dye test at
> the same time. They usually use longer fittings to make up for the loss in
> lenght and it is supposed to be done periodically, though I have no idea
> how often. Or consider replacing it all as it could be time anyway, rod
> lasts longer than wire but not for ever.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 6:14 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok so i didn’t see this before i posted so that makes it plus 2 on the
>> importance of shrouds on sailboats
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:48 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig
>>> will likely need tuned.
>>>
>>> IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a
>>> professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel,
>>> having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing
>>> that can happen on a sailboat.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> Charlie Nelson
>>> Water Phantom 83309
>>> C 36XL/kcb
>>> New Bern, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>>> Cc: Michael Brannon 
>>> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds
>>>
>>> I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old
>>> style NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of
>>> the boat.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Brannon
>>> Virginia Lee 93295
>>> C 36 CB
>>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello fellow Listers,
>>>
>>> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower
>>> shroud had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose
>>> almost as though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it
>>> but I don't know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to
>>> replace it without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the
>>> mast?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Adam Hayden.
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Paul Wyand via CnC-List]

Don't the ends need to have mushrooms cut off and resweaged? if so I would
let a good rigger experienced with rod rigging do it, and do a dye test at
the same time. They usually use longer fittings to make up for the loss in
lenght and it is supposed to be done periodically, though I have no idea
how often. Or consider replacing it all as it could be time anyway, rod
lasts longer than wire but not for ever.


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 6:14 PM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ok so i didn’t see this before i posted so that makes it plus 2 on the
> importance of shrouds on sailboats
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:48 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> 1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig
>> will likely need tuned.
>>
>> IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a
>> professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel,
>> having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing
>> that can happen on a sailboat.
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Charlie Nelson
>> Water Phantom 83309
>> C 36XL/kcb
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: Michael Brannon 
>> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds
>>
>> I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old
>> style NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of
>> the boat.
>>
>>
>> Mike Brannon
>> Virginia Lee 93295
>> C 36 CB
>> Virginia Beach, VA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello fellow Listers,
>>
>> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
>> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
>> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
>> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
>> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Adam Hayden.
>>
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Without seeing the spreaders it is hard to say but generally my experience
is that the paint chips or wears off and then the aluminum underneath looks
terrible.  The stainless fasteners in the spreader tips may seize and the
aluminum may wear more rapidly where it holds the shroud.  That being said,
the spreaders tips are not terribly hard to assess for integrity.  Scrub
with a wire brush and inspect.  Look specifically for cracks in all the
components.

In spite of the above comments, diy is fine for giving you piece of mind
but a knowledgeable rigger will be able to inspect the whole rig and give a
prescription for everything.  They will most likely pick up on things you
would have never thought to look at.  The cost of using someone qualified
is pennies compared to the cost and liability associated with loosing a
rig.  The payment receipt and inspection notes will be worth gold for
limiting your liability should a failure and subsequent litigation occur.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 6:11 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Would that go for spreader tips as well? I have some serious corrosion
> issues lower spreaders :(
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:10 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Take the entire shroud off at its end points and take it to a rigging
> shop. Don’t mess around with shrouds
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:27 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Listers,
>>
>> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
>> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
>> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
>> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
>> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Adam Hayden.
>>
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Would that go for spreader tips as well? I have some serious corrosion issues 
lower spreaders :(

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:10 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List  
wrote:


Take the entire shroud off at its end points and take it to a rigging shop. 
Don’t mess around with shrouds

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:27 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello fellow Listers,

I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as though 
the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't know how to 
remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without or is there a 
trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?

Thanks
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Ok so i didn’t see this before i posted so that makes it plus 2 on the
importance of shrouds on sailboats

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 5:48 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> 1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig
> will likely need tuned.
>
> IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a
> professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel,
> having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing
> that can happen on a sailboat.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom 83309
> C 36XL/kcb
> New Bern, NC
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Michael Brannon 
> Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds
>
> I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old
> style NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of
> the boat.
>
>
> Mike Brannon
> Virginia Lee 93295
> C 36 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow Listers,
>
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
>
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Take the entire shroud off at its end points and take it to a rigging shop.
Don’t mess around with shrouds

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:27 PM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello fellow Listers,
>
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud
> had loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it
> without or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
>
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
>
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

1+ on having a rigger check it out--even if you can replace it, your rig will 
likely need tuned.
IMHO, messing around with the rigging is one place where I will pay a 
professional to fix it. Except for an abandon ship from a sinking vessel, 
having a gravity storm with your rigging is probably the 2nd worse thing that 
can happen on a sailboat.
FWIW,
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom 83309C 36XL/kcbNew Bern, NC


-Original Message-
From: Michael Brannon via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brannon 
Sent: Tue, Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old style 
NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of the boat.

Mike BrannonVirginia Lee 93295C 36 CBVirginia Beach, VA



On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hello fellow Listers,
I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as though 
the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't know how to 
remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without or is there a 
trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I would recommend you get a rigger to look at it.  If you have the old style 
NAVTEC fittings it will be much easier to remove with the mast out of the boat.


Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:26 PM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow Listers,
> 
> I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
> loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as 
> though the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't 
> know how to remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without 
> or is there a trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?
> 
> Thanks
> Adam Hayden.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Removing shrouds

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I replaced the rod rigging shrouds on my 1978 34.  As I recall, for that 
vintage Navtec there is a piece of threaded pipe that goes through the mast and 
connects to the shrouds on each side.  There are stainless screw caps that 
screw onto the pipe on both sides to hold the shrouds in place.  Once you 
unscrew the cap, the shroud can be removed.  However, I also remember that the 
angle of the shroud to the mast had to be correct – like 90 degrees.  It is 
easy to do with the mast on the ground.  If the mast is stepped, this may pose 
a problem.

Of course, different vintages of hardware may have different methods of 
disassembly.

From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Removing shrouds

Hello fellow Listers,

I noticed after hurricane Doirion that the turnbuckle on the lower shroud had 
loosened substantially and now in heavier wind it comes loose almost as though 
the threads are worn or stripped.  I want to replace it but I don't know how to 
remove it from the rod rigging.  Am I able to replace it without or is there a 
trick to disconnecting the shroud at the mast?

Thanks
Adam Hayden.

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