Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Chuck, I don’t think it needs to be dry in there. A small hole in the bottom of the keel will drain whatever is in there every time the boat is hauled. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net wrote: Very logical evaluation Captain, Just a concern? How will you winterize the centerboard trunk? How will you be sure it is dry in there? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:35:50 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious — does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I’m curious to know how much credit was given. I’ve been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ‘ Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain’s Log if you’re curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world’s only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Edd, for reference purposes, take a look at the archive pages on the Sailing Saralane website; they did just what you are describing and sailed the whole Caribbean that way... Richard 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 1:36 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious — does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I’m curious to know how much credit was given. I’ve been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ‘ Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain’s Log if you’re curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world’s only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: nc-l
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
On my cb, it is not possible to replace the cable or even check it carefully without having the boat in the travel lift high enough to remove the topside stopper mechanism so the board can be fully dropped so it hangs only by the pin. Of course this requires at least some time in the lift but for my cb, it impossible to see, let alone work on the board end of the pennant otherwise. Since my boat gets bottom paint every season, there is only a few hours of yard time additional--we'll worth it for the peace of mind that my board will stay with the boat for the season! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom CC 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Replacement sounds just like mine ... Same challenges. Pin was a bear to remove no room to work, and cotter pin was fully bent back on both legs, only room for 1 hand. To fish the new one in they removed the shiv in the on deck turning block, dropped a weighted line down, attached the new cable and pulled it up, marked the cable for full down then moved the board up and swagged the 2 ferrels on. Had to be that was as the lower swage was done in the shop on a roll press ... Total cost including haul and hang was about $800 Canadian. We cruise only these days, and I like the board down in all but light winds ... It does stabilize the boat in the chop we get on Lake Ontario - but even here there are times it is great to have. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
I was involved with a 1990 CC 37+ named Blue Pearl out of Mt Sinai Harbor. It must be the only other 37+ cb'er in existence. I fully agree with you about board up/down on performance. The best use of the centerboard was when staying at Newport YC in Jersey city. With the board down it really helped control the roll from Hudson river traffic. Michael Cotton On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:36 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Replacement sounds just like mine ... Same challenges. Pin was a bear to remove no room to work, and cotter pin was fully bent back on both legs, only room for 1 hand. To fish the new one in they removed the shiv in the on deck turning block, dropped a weighted line down, attached the new cable and pulled it up, marked the cable for full down then moved the board up and swagged the 2 ferrels on. Had to be that was as the lower swage was done in the shop on a roll press ... Total cost including haul and hang was about $800 Canadian. We cruise only these days, and I like the board down in all but light winds ... It does stabilize the boat in the chop we get on Lake Ontario - but even here there are times it is great to have. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious — does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I’m curious to
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Let us know what you get from PHRF. On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just to clarify -- there are several 37+ cb's out there. After tomorrow I'll probably have the only shoal draft CC 37+. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Michael Cotton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I was involved with a 1990 CC 37+ named Blue Pearl out of Mt Sinai Harbor. It must be the only other 37+ cb'er in existence. I fully agree with you about board up/down on performance. The best use of the centerboard was when staying at Newport YC in Jersey city. With the board down it really helped control the roll from Hudson river traffic. Michael Cotton On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:36 PM, Paul Fountain via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Replacement sounds just like mine ... Same challenges. Pin was a bear to remove no room to work, and cotter pin was fully bent back on both legs, only room for 1 hand. To fish the new one in they removed the shiv in the on deck turning block, dropped a weighted line down, attached the new cable and pulled it up, marked the cable for full down then moved the board up and swagged the 2 ferrels on. Had to be that was as the lower swage was done in the shop on a roll press ... Total cost including haul and hang was about $800 Canadian. We cruise only these days, and I like the board down in all but light winds ... It does stabilize the boat in the chop we get on Lake Ontario - but even here there are times it is great to have. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Very logical evaluation Captain, Just a concern? How will you winterize the centerboard trunk? How will you be sure it is dry in there? Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:35:50 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:53 PM, Paul Fountain p...@seasource.ca wrote: Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Listers, Just curious — does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I’m curious to know how much credit was given. I’ve been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ‘ Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain’s Log if you’re curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world’s only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote /blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Edd, did you just say that your performance will be increased with the board bolted up (so you won't be tempted to drop it in 10kts and slow yourself down)? Don't tell your local PHRF handicapper that... Tim PHRF Handicapper ECSA... On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Paul, It’s been a hell of an experience. Turns out the divers went down on Sunday (I was on board working on other things) and they told me they couldn’t get their hands/tools in there to get the cotter pins undone to pull the peg out and connect a new cable. Turns out cable replacement access isn’t all that great on a 37+ and requires a haul every time. Plus, where the cable was frayed, based on my measurements, was somewhere in the system that nobody could ever view without taking the whole damn thing apart. Add to that — we could not push a new cable down because it starts on deck, makes a 90-degree turn down through a stainless tube, then, in the bilge and completely sealed, it makes another 90-degree turn aft, and then a quick additional 90-degree turn down. Could not get the cable to make that last turn. And then I thought I’m going to have to do all this again in 5 years. And maybe it will break again. And maybe the next time it breaks it will do some serious keel damage. I just said, and I quote, “Screw it!” The yard is pulling the boat today, pushing the board in, bolting it in place and sealing the slot. As far as I can tell, I’ll have the only shoal-draft CC 37+ on the planet (or, using terms we usually use on the boat, the galaxy). There were, of course, two concerns: Performance and Resale Value. Performance upwind in 10+ will be affected, but let’s be honest, we only use the board when racing, have found it to slow us down in under 10 and, if you’re familiar with Western Long Island Sound, days of 10+ are few and far between. Add to that the limited about of racing we do (non-spin in a beer can night series only) and the cost/worry of maintaining a centerboard system, I decided I could live with the reduced performance. As to resale value, I think the board is really only a value to a racing-oriented owner, and it’s not a CC 37R, but a CC 37+. I think racing-oriented shoppers are going to be looking for J-Boats, Beneteaus, etc. and not a 18,500 lb.-displacement cruiser. I also think that a prospective buyer will like the idea of a shoal-draft roomy cruiser with a now zero-maintence keel. Of course, I may be wrong, but as I tell people, “I may not always be right, but I’m never in doubt.” Either way, it’s getting done today/tomorrow. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious - does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I'm curious to know how much credit was given. I've been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ' Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain's Log if you're curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world's only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
I am just a wee bit curious. Did cc put cb in these boats for a reason? do they suck upwind without them? Do they capsize? .. or was the designer an anal idiot that put something totally unnecessary and useless and complicated on the boat? Sorry Edd. I read this and just gotta ask Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Mon 02/06/2014 6:53 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious - does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I'm curious to know how much credit was given. I've been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ' Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain's Log if you're curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world's only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com winmail.dat___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
I thought the idea of the CB designs was to accommodate areas that had water depth issues...luckily we don't have much problem like that around here but I could have used a CB design a few times, especially I remember the sandy shoals in Eastern Passage -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: June 2, 2014 8:46 PM To: Paul Fountain; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit I am just a wee bit curious. Did cc put cb in these boats for a reason? do they suck upwind without them? Do they capsize? .. or was the designer an anal idiot that put something totally unnecessary and useless and complicated on the boat? Sorry Edd. I read this and just gotta ask Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Mon 02/06/2014 6:53 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious - does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I'm curious to know how much credit was given. I've been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ' Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain's Log if you're curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world's only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
There is a noticeable improvement in upwind pointing and speed with the centerboard down and having a boat that only draws 4.5' with the centerboard up vs. 6.5 for the fixed keel version opens up a lot of cruising in a Bay that is very shallow. I've had the pendent break on my old CC 35 and on my CC 37, but both time were because of lack of maintenance. I replace it at least every 5 years now and the expense is pretty modest. Steve Sharkey CC 37 Impromptu -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:46 PM To: Paul Fountain ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit I am just a wee bit curious. Did cc put cb in these boats for a reason? do they suck upwind without them? Do they capsize? .. or was the designer an anal idiot that put something totally unnecessary and useless and complicated on the boat? Sorry Edd. I read this and just gotta ask Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Mon 02/06/2014 6:53 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious - does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I'm curious to know how much credit was given. I've been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ' Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain's Log if you're curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world's only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit
Oftentimes the southeast coast marinas have pretty thin water (as does ICW) so a cb allows you to dock your boat almost anywhere. At the same time, when the water is deeper, dropping the board allows the boat to go to weather as well as any deep fin keel, although the cb trunk is a lot 'thicker' than most fin keels since it must accommodate the board. She isn't as fast to weather as the 36 foot fin keels but at least she points at the same angle--something that will never happen with a shallower keel or wing keel--too much leeway. Further, AFAIK, CC cb boats always had a substantial cb trunk so that the boat had a heavy keel, even with the cb retracted. Thus pinning the board up affects primarily the ability to go to weather. For instance, my cb/keel has about a 5600 lb keel/cb (per the specifications) and the board weighs ~ 1000 lbs. Up or down, I have plenty of ballast and a ballast to displacement ratio of about 0.41 no matter where the board is! Charlie Nelson Water Phantom CC 36 XL/kcb cenel...@aol.com -Original Message- From: dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: 'Hoyt, Mike' mike.h...@impgroup.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 8:12 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit I thought the idea of the CB designs was to accommodate areas that had water depth issues...luckily we don't have much problem like that around here but I could have used a CB design a few times, especially I remember the sandy shoals in Eastern Passage -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: June 2, 2014 8:46 PM To: Paul Fountain; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit I am just a wee bit curious. Did cc put cb in these boats for a reason? do they suck upwind without them? Do they capsize? .. or was the designer an anal idiot that put something totally unnecessary and useless and complicated on the boat? Sorry Edd. I read this and just gotta ask Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List on behalf of Paul Fountain via CnC-List Sent: Mon 02/06/2014 6:53 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Sealed-Up Centerboard and PHRF Credit Edd, I can smile and relate to your cb challenges... 2 years ago when we moved Perception to the yard for winter storage I had 2 friends help.. 1 a power boater the other a sailor, asked the sailor to release the starboard jib halyard - clearly marked And guess which stopper he pulled .. Yup the centreboard ... And the cable snapped. We were able to hauler her and put her in her cradle for the winter. Pulled the cable out and it was badly corroded ... Just a few strands intact so over due for replacement. Arranged to have south shore yachts do the replacement - and when ghey removed the pin and remaining cable the pin was 70% or more worn thru, the thimble was also well worn ... Good thing it happened in a calm harbour And the admiral was not on board. The new fittings look much more substantial and should out last my sailing days! Paul. :) On Jun 2, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, Just curious - does anyone, or know of anyone, who sealed up their centerboard and received a PHRF credit on their rating? I'm curious to know how much credit was given. I've been told it can be anywhere from 3-9 points. ' Mine is getting bolted in place and sealed up for good tomorrow. Long story, but now is the time. Read the Captain's Log if you're curious. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise (To be the world's only shoal-draft CC 37+) CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
