Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

I’ve always kept them flat, though I have heard the twist suggestion before. I 
find that if they are twisted, they become more of a tripping hazard, or, as 
you say, they can roll under your feet. I understand the primary roll of the 
jacklines is to keep you with the boat, but my primary preference is to keep on 
the deck and avoid injuries. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 




> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines 
> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll under 
> your feet.  
>  
> Just curious what others do.   
>  
>  
>  
>   <>
> On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List
> 
> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on the 
> deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as practical; 
> if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs along them.
>>  
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I'd always kept them flat(ish), too, but I noted in the Bermuda Race
circular they suggested that they be twisted. made sense to me.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve always kept them flat, though I have heard the twist suggestion
> before. I find that if they are twisted, they become more of a tripping
> hazard, or, as you say, they can roll under your feet. I understand the
> primary roll of the jacklines is to keep you with the boat, but my primary
> preference is to keep on the deck and avoid injuries.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines
> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll
> under your feet.
>
> Just curious what others do.
>
>
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List
>
> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on
> the deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as
> practical; if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs
> along them.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Having done the Annapolis to Bermuda race, as well as a fair amount of offshore 
night work (although nowhere near as much as you, Andrew…), I never had any 
issues grabbing a hold of and clipping onto a flat jackline without the twists; 
and I would definitely have concerns about the tripping hazard involved with 
the twists.  FWIW...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd always kept them flat(ish), too, but I noted in the Bermuda Race circular 
> they suggested that they be twisted. made sense to me.
> 
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Bmue via CnC-List]

Try using  high jacklines. Easy to clip into, nothing in your feet to trip on, 
and you can grab them as a last resort. 
Much preferable to having lines on the deck. 

Bettina

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines 
> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll under 
> your feet. 
>  
> Just curious what others do.   
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List
> 
> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on the 
> deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as practical; 
> if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs along them.
>  
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have never heard of “high” jacklines.  What do you attach them to behind the 
mast?  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Bmue via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Try using  high jacklines. Easy to clip into, nothing in your feet to trip 
> on, and you can grab them as a last resort. 
> Much preferable to having lines on the deck. 
> 
> Bettina
> 
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines 
>> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll 
>> under your feet.  
>>  
>> Just curious what others do.   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>   <>
>> On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List
>> 
>> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on the 
>> deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as 
>> practical; if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs 
>> along them.
>>  
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Bmue via CnC-List]

Hi david.
Tied off at the pushpit, pulpit and threaded through the ring of a shroud 
cleat. So they ran about waist height, which makes clipping in and running the 
carabiner ahead or behind you a breeze. Also great if you have more than one 
person going up on deck. We'd take them down when making landfall. Always felt 
safe, no clutter on the deck. I have pics i can email directly if you like.
Bettina

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:22, David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have never heard of “high” jacklines.  What do you attach them to behind 
> the mast?  Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Bmue via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try using  high jacklines. Easy to clip into, nothing in your feet to trip 
>> on, and you can grab them as a last resort. 
>> Much preferable to having lines on the deck. 
>> 
>> Bettina
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines 
>>> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll 
>>> under your feet.  
>>>  
>>> Just curious what others do.   
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List
>>> 
>>> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on the 
>>> deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as 
>>> practical; if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs 
>>> along them.
>>>  
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>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

The J42 I race on has extra tethers at the bow and mast for double clipping
in. I see how they would work in theory, but in practice I wasn't a fan.
Since I have a double tether (short and long), when at the mast and it's
bumpy I leave my long tether on the jackline and clip my short one to a
strong point at the mast. Likewise, when on the bow, I found that the D
ring I wanted to clip in to (on my short lead) was occupied by the extra
tether that was left up there. This extra tether (on the bow) also fouled a
bit during sail changes. On the way out of San Francisco for the Pacific
Cup Race* this year, winds were rarely below 30 kts (but not gusty) and
large seas that were very confused. Neither myself nor the other fore-deck
guy used the extra tethers once that I know of.

Re: High Jacklines. I don't see how high jacklines would not be a nuisance
during sail changes and I think they would preclude flying a spinnaker,
certainly dip pole gybes. I also don't believe a pulpit to be a worthy
strong point and any of our boats. In the event that someone were thrown
and loaded the jackline, I would assume the additional leverage created by
having a jackline tied to the pulpit above the deck would quite likely rip
the pulpit out of the deck (many pulpits are not through bolted) or at the
very least bend it back and slacken all of the lifelines. It doesn't sound
like a best practice to me though I could see the convenience if bending
down to pick up a jackline is becoming troublesome.

Just my modest experience and opinion

Kevin
30-2

*We dropped out the Pacific Cup because salt water contaminated our fresh
water supply. Keep and eye on your water tank vents when the going is
really rough!

Here is a compelling video from J46 Riva
, another boat at our club
(Portland Yacht Club) who was also in the Pacific Cup race this year. Riva
had a medical emergency ~1/2 way to Hawaii. The situation was handled
professionally by all involved and the crew member recovered before the
finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwvOv7Lluc&feature=em-upload_owner

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 8:43 AM Bmue via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi david.
> Tied off at the pushpit, pulpit and threaded through the ring of a shroud
> cleat. So they ran about waist height, which makes clipping in and running
> the carabiner ahead or behind you a breeze. Also great if you have more
> than one person going up on deck. We'd take them down when making landfall.
> Always felt safe, no clutter on the deck. I have pics i can email directly
> if you like.
> Bettina
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:22, David Knecht via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I have never heard of “high” jacklines.  What do you attach them to behind
> the mast?  Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Bmue via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Try using  high jacklines. Easy to clip into, nothing in your feet to trip
> on, and you can grab them as a last resort.
> Much preferable to having lines on the deck.
>
> Bettina
>
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:29, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> This is interesting subject for me:  I’ve been told to twist the jacklines
> and to keep them flat.  Twisted I’ve found they have a tendency to roll
> under your feet.
>
> Just curious what others do.
>
>
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *Andrew Burton via CnC-List
>
> A couple of tips: Jacklines should be twisted so they don't lie flat on
> the deck. Makes them easier to pick up. And they should be as tight as
> practical; if they're loose, they will tend to bind as your carabiner runs
> along them.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List jackline use

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

In my limited experience with jacklines, I've always used a double tether
system like Kevin described where you clip to the jackline to move around
but clip the other tether to a fixed point when possible.  Having two
tethers on your harness at all times seems preferable to having tethers
stashed around the deck.

I've always used flat rather than twisted jacklines.  Agree with others
that twisted seems like it would increase the risk of tripping.  I've never
had a problem grabbing a flat jackline off the deck, and even if it took a
couple seconds more, that seems like a worthwhile trade off as long as
you're always clipped to something (which relates back to the double tether
system).

Sam
35-3 Scoundrel
SF

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The J42 I race on has extra tethers at the bow and mast for double
> clipping in. I see how they would work in theory, but in practice I wasn't
> a fan. Since I have a double tether (short and long), when at the mast and
> it's bumpy I leave my long tether on the jackline and clip my short one to
> a strong point at the mast. Likewise, when on the bow, I found that the D
> ring I wanted to clip in to (on my short lead) was occupied by the extra
> tether that was left up there. This extra tether (on the bow) also fouled a
> bit during sail changes. On the way out of San Francisco for the Pacific
> Cup Race* this year, winds were rarely below 30 kts (but not gusty) and
> large seas that were very confused. Neither myself nor the other fore-deck
> guy used the extra tethers once that I know of.
>
> Re: High Jacklines. I don't see how high jacklines would not be a nuisance
> during sail changes and I think they would preclude flying a spinnaker,
> certainly dip pole gybes. I also don't believe a pulpit to be a worthy
> strong point and any of our boats. In the event that someone were thrown
> and loaded the jackline, I would assume the additional leverage created by
> having a jackline tied to the pulpit above the deck would quite likely rip
> the pulpit out of the deck (many pulpits are not through bolted) or at the
> very least bend it back and slacken all of the lifelines. It doesn't sound
> like a best practice to me though I could see the convenience if bending
> down to pick up a jackline is becoming troublesome.
>
> Just my modest experience and opinion
>
> Kevin
> 30-2
>
> *We dropped out the Pacific Cup because salt water contaminated our fresh
> water supply. Keep and eye on your water tank vents when the going is
> really rough!
>
> Here is a compelling video from J46 Riva
> , another boat at our club
> (Portland Yacht Club) who was also in the Pacific Cup race this year. Riva
> had a medical emergency ~1/2 way to Hawaii. The situation was handled
> professionally by all involved and the crew member recovered before the
> finish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFwvOv7Lluc&;
> feature=em-upload_owner
>
>
>
>
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