Re: Stus-List 34 wiring - also SeaTalk cable

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Steve

What you describe is exactly my plan to entirely replace the wiring to the
light over the sink.  I am installing a new LED white / red fixture and will
run the wires outside the panel the short distance from the fixture through
the panel into the shelf area behind the sliding doors.  Should not be
noticeable as will be behind the fixture out of sight and will avoid a host
of issues trying to thread it.  I am also installing a new LED fixture in
the main cabin ceiling, and moving the original fluorescent to over the
stove / ice box for better light there.  The next challenge will be getting
power to the fixtures downstream in the circuit.

Stay tuned

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 wiring - also SeaTalk cable

I would like to piggy back on this thread for a similar reason. I am making
my SeaTalkNG trunk permanent, ie hiding the cable away.
It needs to go from electrical panel (portside) to my wind instruments just
above that same galley light (starbd side of doorway). I have been planning
to route the cable as follows:
1. feed the cable in the space between the cabin liner and outer panel, down
past the galley light and into the small shelf area below the companionway.
2. It needs to go this way because there is also the SeaTalk backbone
connector which I plan to locate inside that shelf area.
3. from there into the engine compartment and over to the quarterberth  (for
non 34 owners that's portside, same side as electrical panel) 4. through
battery compartment to port quarter outer gap and into lower left corner of
electrical panel.

Alternate for 3 is above quarterberth inner liner to electrical panel.

That was going to happen this weekend, however you appear to be saying the
gap will be filled with foam.
Even without the foam, this plan still eaves the challenge of penetrating
into the small shelf area. The gap at that point is filled with something,
maybe just the same foam.
In my case there is already an existing hole further to port side of this
shelf area and I can use that if I have to though would prefer a shorter,
cleaner run. It may not be easy to fish the cable that far inside the liner.

Yes, there are no helpful access panels around the companionway shelf area.
Wouldn't that solve the problem? :D

To echo John - Anybody done this? Any advice?

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 20:28:20 -0400
From: "John and Maryann Read" 
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In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have
discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands ? just dust.
It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic says
one set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights going
forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are embedded in
what appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the liner to the
interior surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to see.  There is no
slack in the wires.  Removing access panels offers no clues.  I could just
run another set of wires through the engine compartment for this light, but
then I would lose power for lights going forward  ??  I am reluctant to
start opening large holes in the liner to access the wires.

 

Any thoughts??  And TIA

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT



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Stus-List 34 wiring

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

The wiring in my Viking was all routed in and during the molding of the deck... 
 The PO routed ALL the new wiring in the Bilge.  That was pretty awesome!
 
I've been tackling new wires as they are needed finding new routes, tucked as 
inconspicuously as possible.  As Ed said, it is an interesting process but the 
results are pretty great.  Old lights shine like they probably did 41 years 
ago...  Someday I may switch out the actual fixtures.
 
I do have most of the wire out of the bilge now though.  I couldn't stand it...
 
Danny
Lolita
1973 Viking 33
Westport Point, MA

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Re: Stus-List 34 wiring - also SeaTalk cable

[OldSteveH]

I would like to piggy back on this thread for a similar reason. I am making
my SeaTalkNG trunk permanent, ie hiding the cable away.
It needs to go from electrical panel (portside) to my wind instruments just
above that same galley light (starbd side of doorway). I have been planning
to route the cable as follows:
1. feed the cable in the space between the cabin liner and outer panel, down
past the galley light and into the small shelf area below the companionway.
2. It needs to go this way because there is also the SeaTalk backbone
connector which I plan to locate inside that shelf area.
3. from there into the engine compartment and over to the quarterberth  (for
non 34 owners that's portside, same side as electrical panel)
4. through battery compartment to port quarter outer gap and into lower left
corner of electrical panel.

Alternate for 3 is above quarterberth inner liner to electrical panel.

That was going to happen this weekend, however you appear to be saying the
gap will be filled with foam.
Even without the foam, this plan still eaves the challenge of penetrating
into the small shelf area. The gap at that point is filled with something,
maybe just the same foam.
In my case there is already an existing hole further to port side of this
shelf area and I can use that if I have to though would prefer a shorter,
cleaner run. It may not be easy to fish the cable that far inside the liner.

Yes, there are no helpful access panels around the companionway shelf area.
Wouldn't that solve the problem? :D

To echo John - Anybody done this? Any advice?

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 20:28:20 -0400
From: "John and Maryann Read" 
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In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have
discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands ? just dust.
It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic says
one set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights going
forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are embedded in
what appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the liner to the
interior surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to see.  There is no
slack in the wires.  Removing access panels offers no clues.  I could just
run another set of wires through the engine compartment for this light, but
then I would lose power for lights going forward  ??  I am reluctant to
start opening large holes in the liner to access the wires.

 

Any thoughts??  And TIA

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT



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Re: Stus-List 34 wiring

[Rich Knowles]

Suggest running the new wire to the first fixture as you propose. Then run 
another wire from the panel to any other lamp in the forward string as best you 
can. That should get them all working. Use tinned wire. 

Rich

> On Apr 29, 2014, at 21:28, "John and Maryann Read"  
> wrote:
> 
> In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have 
> discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands – just dust.  
> It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic says one 
> set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights going 
> forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are embedded in 
> what appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the liner to the 
> interior surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to see.  There is no 
> slack in the wires.  Removing access panels offers no clues.  I could just 
> run another set of wires through the engine compartment for this light, but 
> then I would lose power for lights going forward  ??  I am reluctant to start 
> opening large holes in the liner to access the wires.
>  
> Any thoughts??  And TIA
>  
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List 34 wiring

[Edd Schillay]

John,

As you may know, the Enterprise-A was a 1978 C&C 34. I must say the wiring was 
a source of major headaches over the years. 

It always seemed that they wired everything tight, gave very little slack and 
then glued the deck on top so it was impossible to access and fix. 

Yes. If you run a new line and don't connect it to the other strands somehow, 
you will lose the other lights on that side of the boat. 

What we ended up doing was running all new wires to wherever we had access and 
created new locations for lights. Was a big job and required a lot of planning 
so as not to run into dead ends. 

The finished product, with all new lights in new locations was really 
something. If you have the time, I would recommend doing it. 

Practice your yoga first though. You will bend yourself into some crazy 
positions. 


All the best,

Edd

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On Apr 29, 2014, at 8:28 PM, "John and Maryann Read"  
wrote:

In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have 
discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands – just dust.  
It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic says one 
set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights going 
forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are embedded in what 
appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the liner to the interior 
surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to see.  There is no slack in the 
wires.  Removing access panels offers no clues.  I could just run another set 
of wires through the engine compartment for this light, but then I would lose 
power for lights going forward  ??  I am reluctant to start opening large holes 
in the liner to access the wires.
 
Any thoughts??  And TIA
 
John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT



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Re: Stus-List 34 wiring

[Jim Watts]

If you can access the second light in the series you could wire them
independently and just abandon that run of wire (clipping out the wire
wherever possible). If it's nasty there it's probably rotted out a long way
in both directions.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 29 April 2014 17:28, John and Maryann Read  wrote:

> In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have
> discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands – just
> dust.  It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic
> says one set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights
> going forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are
> embedded in what appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the
> liner to the interior surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to
> see.  There is no slack in the wires.  Removing access panels offers no
> clues.  I could just run another set of wires through the engine
> compartment for this light, but then I would lose power for lights going
> forward  ??  I am reluctant to start opening large holes in the liner to
> access the wires.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts??  And TIA
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C&C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
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Stus-List 34 wiring

[John and Maryann Read]

In the process of changing the interior light over the galley sink have 
discovered the wiring has completely corroded.  No wire strands – just dust.  
It is 2 wires each positive and negative joined at the light.  Logic says one 
set goes back to the circuit breakers and the other to more lights going 
forward.  The question is how the wire is run.  The wires are embedded in what 
appears to be the foam used in construction to adhere the liner to the interior 
surfaced of the cabin top and there is no way to see.  There is no slack in the 
wires.  Removing access panels offers no clues.  I could just run another set 
of wires through the engine compartment for this light, but then I would lose 
power for lights going forward  ??  I am reluctant to start opening large holes 
in the liner to access the wires.



Any thoughts??  And TIA



John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT



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