Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Listers- 

I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc 

You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom. I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter). It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings. 

A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s. 

When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot. I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed. And I can live with a 
lower boom. 

Any words of wisdom to share? 

Thanks, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Looks short to me.  Prior owner trying to “tame” the boat or perhaps make it 
more balanced with a smaller headsail?

John

> On May 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Listers-
> 
> I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) 
> last Wednesday night at 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc 
> 
> 
> You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  
> I'm wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  
> It doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.
> 
> A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
> height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.
> 
> When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
> boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot.  
> I'm thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I can live 
> with a lower boom.
> 
> Any words of wisdom to share?
> 
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Randy,

A PO raised Touche's boom about 6-8 inches.  I've never considered that
enough to file for a change to my PHRF rating since my main sail extends
fully to the design E dimension.

However, your main sounds considerably smaller than design.  Is that
reflected in your handicap rating?  If not, you might explore appealing for
a credit.  Not sure how your local rating organization handles changes but
you could see if you can get a credit if you leave it like it is.  I would
appeal my rating for a 3-6 second credit if the boat was in my rating
area.  Some advantages to this.  You can keep your existing main while you
learn the boat.  If you buy a new main, it will cost less.  Your crew will
appreciate the headroom.

Remember, your boat is primarily driven by the head sail.  The main sail
creates the slot and influences the flow through the slot to provide drive.

If you decide to return to design dimensions, just don't exceed your design
P and E dimensions and you should be OK.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers-
>
> I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7)
> last Wednesday night at
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc
>
> You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.
> I'm wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that
> matter).  It doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and
> drawings.
>
> A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its
> original height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.
>
> When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning
> the boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's
> foot.  I'm thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I
> can live with a lower boom.
>
> Any words of wisdom to share?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

The "E" measurement of the C&C 30-1 is 11.50'. That would be
from the stern of the mast along the boom to the edge of the main
leach when fully pulled back by the outhaul.

You may be an inch or two shorter, if so I doubt replacing the sail
just for that would make any sense.

It is hard to tell from the pictures but if I had to guess I would say
your boom might be longer than mine, possibly to enable end sheeting
from a stern mounted track. Again a guess, but from the stern of the
mast my boom is about 12' long. yours looks to be around 13.75.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1
 

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Listers-  
 
I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc  
 
You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom. I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter). It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.  
 
A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.  
 
When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot. I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed. And I can live with a 
lower boom.  
 
Any words of wisdom to share?  
 
Thanks,  
Randy Stafford  
S/V Grenadine  
C&C 30-1 #7  
Ken Caryl, CO  
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Randy, it is pretty evident that your boom is longer than what the later boats 
have. My boom extends only back as far as the wide spots in the coaming where 
the winches are mounted. Yours is longer, probably because your boat has 
end-boom sheeting. The later boats are sheeted about two feet in front of the 
end of the boom to a traveler which is between the seats and immediately aft of 
the cockpit hatch covers. Yours appears to have a traveler across the back of 
the boat.

 

Just measure the foot of your sail and then compare it to the specifications on 
the C&C web site, I think you have an extra long boom, not a short sail.

 

Gary

30-1 #593

 

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Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:46 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

 

Listers-

 

I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc

 

You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.

 

A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.

 

When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot.  I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I can live with a 
lower boom.

 

Any words of wisdom to share?

 

Thanks,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Take a look at the C&C Brochures on the web site. You will see two versions of 
the early 30’s, one with end boom sheeting and the last one (d) with sheeting 
forward of the wheel. Maybe the difference is whether you had a tiller or wheel.

 

Gary

 

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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

 

Listers-

 

I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc

 

You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.

 

A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.

 

When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot.  I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I can live with a 
lower boom.

 

Any words of wisdom to share?

 

Thanks,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary. 

As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can uncover and 
raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and compare to the 
specified E dimension and report back. 

My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a traveler at the 
aft end of the cockpit. I like the room that arrangement provides in the 
cockpit, but I'm still getting used to switching hands between tiller and 
traveler during tacks, compared to driving boats with the traveler farther 
forward in the cockpit. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:30:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 



Take a look at the C&C Brochures on the web site. You will see two versions of 
the early 30’s, one with end boom sheeting and the last one (d) with sheeting 
forward of the wheel. Maybe the difference is whether you had a tiller or 
wheel. 



Gary 




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Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:46 AM 
To: cnc-list  
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 





Listers- 





I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc 





You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom. I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter). It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings. 





A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s. 





When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot. I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed. And I can live with a 
lower boom. 





Any words of wisdom to share? 





Thanks, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Rick Bushie via CnC-List]

Anchovy's boom reaches back to within four inches of the backstay. The mails'l 
clew falls about two feet short of the end of the boom.

This winter, I actually raised her boom up a foot to create headroom in the 
cockpit. Luckily the mAins'l luff was a foot short to begin with.

Rick Bushie
Anchovy 1971 30-1 Hull 1
Tolchester, MD

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

It looks as though the sail may have been purchased used from another boat.  It 
is a bit short on the hoist and quite short on the foot.

In our area we do not give any credits for an undersized main.  One option is 
to buy a new properly sized main if you plan to do much racing.  However before 
you do any of this measure the length of the foot of the sail and then measure 
the length of the boom.  On a C&C 30-1 the E measurement is 11.5 feet.  The 
length of the sail foot should be very close to that and the length of the boom 
should only be 3-4 inches longer than that.  From the pictures it almost looks 
more like the boom was replaced with a longer boom than that the sail foot is 
too short

Mike

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Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 1:25 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

Randy,

A PO raised Touche's boom about 6-8 inches.  I've never considered that enough 
to file for a change to my PHRF rating since my main sail extends fully to the 
design E dimension.

However, your main sounds considerably smaller than design.  Is that reflected 
in your handicap rating?  If not, you might explore appealing for a credit.  
Not sure how your local rating organization handles changes but you could see 
if you can get a credit if you leave it like it is.  I would appeal my rating 
for a 3-6 second credit if the boat was in my rating area.  Some advantages to 
this.  You can keep your existing main while you learn the boat.  If you buy a 
new main, it will cost less.  Your crew will appreciate the headroom.
Remember, your boat is primarily driven by the head sail.  The main sail 
creates the slot and influences the flow through the slot to provide drive.

If you decide to return to design dimensions, just don't exceed your design P 
and E dimensions and you should be OK.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/measurements.htm
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers-

I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc

You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.

A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.

When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot.  I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I can live with a 
lower boom.

Any words of wisdom to share?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Randy,

You can't be serious about snow now.  Where are you? It even stopped 
freezin in Fort Mac.


The promise of global warming has finally come to the left coast. 
We're livin' the dream!


Cheers, Russ
35 mk-1

At 03:01 PM 01/05/2016, you wrote:

Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary.

As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can 
uncover and raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and 
compare to the specified E dimension and report back.


My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a 
traveler at the aft end of the cockpit.  I like the room that 
arrangement provides in the cockpit, but I'm still getting used to 
switching hands between tiller and traveler during tacks, compared 
to driving boats with the traveler farther forward in the cockpit.


Cheers,
Randy



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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Russ,

I think Randy sails on Chatfield Lake near Denver, CO.

Dennis C.

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Randy,
>
> You can't be serious about snow now.  Where are you? It even stopped
> freezin in Fort Mac.
>
> The promise of global warming has finally come to the left coast. We're
> livin' the dream!
>
> Cheers, Russ
> 35 mk-1
>
> At 03:01 PM 01/05/2016, you wrote:
>
>> Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary.
>>
>> As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can uncover
>> and raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and compare to the
>> specified E dimension and report back.
>>
>> My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a traveler at
>> the aft end of the cockpit.  I like the room that arrangement provides in
>> the cockpit, but I'm still getting used to switching hands between tiller
>> and traveler during tacks, compared to driving boats with the traveler
>> farther forward in the cockpit.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Randy
>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I'm serious. I'm in the southwest Denver metro area. It snowed several inches 
at my house over the weekend. And t's supposed to be 80 and breezy Thursday :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Russ & Melody via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Russ & Melody"  
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 7:33:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 


Randy, 

You can't be serious about snow now. Where are you? It even stopped 
freezin in Fort Mac. 

The promise of global warming has finally come to the left coast. 
We're livin' the dream! 

Cheers, Russ 
35 mk-1 

At 03:01 PM 01/05/2016, you wrote: 
>Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary. 
> 
>As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can 
>uncover and raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and 
>compare to the specified E dimension and report back. 
> 
>My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a 
>traveler at the aft end of the cockpit. I like the room that 
>arrangement provides in the cockpit, but I'm still getting used to 
>switching hands between tiller and traveler during tacks, compared 
>to driving boats with the traveler farther forward in the cockpit. 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Randy 


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I have a wheel and end boom sheeting.  The mainsheet and traveler are just in 
front of the wheel and as Gary mentioned, just aft of the port & starboard 
lockers.So my boom is shorter than yours and I have only about 6in free  at the 
end of the boom for the clew screw assembly to remove draft in the lower part 
of the sail.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

BTW, did I mention that I really like your color choice???RonWild CheriC&C 
30-1STL


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{}#yiv6414387332 Randy, it is pretty evident that your boom is longer than what 
the later boats have. My boom extends only back as far as the wide spots in the 
coaming where the winches are mounted. Yours is longer, probably because your 
boat has end-boom sheeting. The later boats are sheeted about two feet in front 
of the end of the boom to a traveler which is between the seats and immediately 
aft of the cockpit hatch covers. Yours appears to have a traveler across the 
back of the boat.  Just measure the foot of your sail and then compare it to 
the specifications on the C&C web site, I think you have an extra long boom, 
not a short sail.  Gary30-1 #593  From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via CnC- I 
posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc  You can see the 
foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  I'm wondering if 
that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  It doesn't really 
look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.  A previous owner had also 
raised the boom at least a foot from its original height, as the C&C itself did 
on later C&C 30s.  When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by 
both returning the boom to its original height, and increasing the length of 
mainsail's foot.  I'm thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  
And I can live with a lower boom.  Any words of wisdom to share?  
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Ron. What's red and sweet and used to make rum punch? Grenadine :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List"  
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Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 10:24:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 

BTW, did I mention that I really like your color choice??? 
Ron 
Wild Cheri 
C&C 30-1 
STL 




From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List  
Randy, it is pretty evident that your boom is longer than what the later boats 
have. My boom extends only back as far as the wide spots in the coaming where 
the winches are mounted. Yours is longer, probably because your boat has 
end-boom sheeting. The later boats are sheeted about two feet in front of the 
end of the boom to a traveler which is between the seats and immediately aft of 
the cockpit hatch covers. Yours appears to have a traveler across the back of 
the boat. 
Just measure the foot of your sail and then compare it to the specifications on 
the C&C web site, I think you have an extra long boom, not a short sail. 
Gary 
30-1 #593 
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I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc 
You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom. I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter). It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings. 
A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s. 
When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot. I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed. And I can live with a 
lower boom. 
Any words of wisdom to share? 


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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

So it turns out on this particular question everybody was partially right. :) 

Like Rick Bushie's Anchovy (30-1 hull #1), my Grenadine (30-1 hull #7) has a 
13' boom with boom-end sheeting to a traveler at the aft end of the cockpit, 
and tiller steering. The boom ends a few inches forward of the backstay, and 
its length is probably driven by that sheeting arrangement. Perhaps later in 
the production run C&C moved the traveler forward on the 30-1 (e.g. for wheel 
steering) and shortened the boom accordingly. Having sailed several 
tiller-steered boats up to and including a J/30, I personally like the cockpit 
layout of my boat - lots of room. 

But unfortunately my current mainsail's foot is only 10'6" - a full 12" shorter 
than the 30-1's designed E dimension. I have no idea whether that was 
intentional by a previous owner, or perhaps a screw-up by the obscure maker of 
my mainsail (whose sail bag is stamped with the year I graduated high school :) 

Also my boom is raised exactly 12" from its as-built height, as C&C later did 
from the factory on the 30-1. So I'm giving up mainsail area in both the E and 
P dimensions compared to the early 30-1's design. When I buy a new mainsail 
I'll make sure its foot is 11'6" per the 30-1 design, or perhaps even longer 
(since I've got enough boom for that). But I can see the advantages of leaving 
the boom a foot higher than its original location. It makes moving around in 
the cockpit easier and safer. It's probably not worth the extra ~12 square feet 
of mainsail area to lower it back. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Randy Stafford via CnC-List"  
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Cc: "randy stafford"  
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:01:06 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 

Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary. 

As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can uncover and 
raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and compare to the 
specified E dimension and report back. 

My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a traveler at the 
aft end of the cockpit. I like the room that arrangement provides in the 
cockpit, but I'm still getting used to switching hands between tiller and 
traveler during tacks, compared to driving boats with the traveler farther 
forward in the cockpit. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List"  
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Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:30:30 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 



Take a look at the C&C Brochures on the web site. You will see two versions of 
the early 30’s, one with end boom sheeting and the last one (d) with sheeting 
forward of the wheel. Maybe the difference is whether you had a tiller or 
wheel. 



Gary 




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Stafford via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:46 AM 
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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length 





Listers- 





I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc 





You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom. I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter). It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings. 





A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s. 





When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot. I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed. And I can live with a 
lower boom. 





Any words of wisdom to share? 





Thanks, 


Randy Stafford 


S/V Grenadine 


C&C 30-1 #7 


Ken Caryl, CO 

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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

John

Some C&C 27 MKII's had a similar boom, looked too long but I believe
the design might have been intentional due to main sheet traveller
location...nothing wrong with a high aspect ratio main sail on the C&C
30, According to measurements on the C&C photoalbum the E dimension
for the 30 MKI is 11 feet 6 inches
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net



On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 1:00 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List
 wrote:
> Looks short to me.  Prior owner trying to “tame” the boat or perhaps make it
> more balanced with a smaller headsail?
>
> John
>
> On May 1, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List
>  wrote:
>
> Listers-
>
> I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7)
> last Wednesday night at
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc
>
> You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.
> I'm wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).
> It doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.
>
> A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original
> height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.
>
> When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning
> the boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's
> foot.  I'm thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I
> can live with a lower boom.
>
> Any words of wisdom to share?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Randy

While most areas do not give a credit for an undersized foot on your mainsail 
ALL AREAS will penalize you if the foot exceeds the E measurement.

Regards

Mike
Persistence
Racing this evening in Halifax, NS

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Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 1:50 AM
To: cnc-list
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

So it turns out on this particular question everybody was partially right. :)

Like Rick Bushie's Anchovy (30-1 hull #1), my Grenadine (30-1 hull #7) has a 
13' boom with boom-end sheeting to a traveler at the aft end of the cockpit, 
and tiller steering.  The boom ends a few inches forward of the backstay, and 
its length is probably driven by that sheeting arrangement.  Perhaps later in 
the production run C&C moved the traveler forward on the 30-1 (e.g. for wheel 
steering) and shortened the boom accordingly.  Having sailed several 
tiller-steered boats up to and including a J/30, I personally like the cockpit 
layout of my boat - lots of room.

But unfortunately my current mainsail's foot is only 10'6" - a full 12" shorter 
than the 30-1's designed E dimension.  I have no idea whether that was 
intentional by a previous owner, or perhaps a screw-up by the obscure maker of 
my mainsail (whose sail bag is stamped with the year I graduated high school :)

Also my boom is raised exactly 12" from its as-built height, as C&C later did 
from the factory on the 30-1.  So I'm giving up mainsail area in both the E and 
P dimensions compared to the early 30-1's design.  When I buy a new mainsail 
I'll make sure its foot is 11'6" per the 30-1 design, or perhaps even longer 
(since I've got enough boom for that).  But I can see the advantages of leaving 
the boom a foot higher than its original location.  It makes moving around in 
the cockpit easier and safer.  It's probably not worth the extra ~12 square 
feet of mainsail area to lower it back.

Cheers,
Randy


From: "Randy Stafford via CnC-List" 
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Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:01:06 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

Thanks John, Dennis, Michael, and Gary.

As soon as the #@()*%^ snow stops falling around here and I can uncover and 
raise the sail again, I'll take actual measurements and compare to the 
specified E dimension and report back.

My boat does have tiller steering, and boom-end sheeting to a traveler at the 
aft end of the cockpit.  I like the room that arrangement provides in the 
cockpit, but I'm still getting used to switching hands between tiller and 
traveler during tacks, compared to driving boats with the traveler farther 
forward in the cockpit.

Cheers,
Randy


From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List" 
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Cc: "Gary Nylander" mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>>
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

Take a look at the C&C Brochures on the web site. You will see two versions of 
the early 30’s, one with end boom sheeting and the last one (d) with sheeting 
forward of the wheel. Maybe the difference is whether you had a tiller or wheel.

Gary

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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net<mailto:randy.staff...@comcast.net>
Subject: Stus-List 30-1 Mainsail Foot Length

Listers-

I posted a few pictures from my first race in my new-to-me 30-1 (hull #7) last 
Wednesday night at https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTeUlmcm1IX1c5ZHc

You can see the foot of my mainsail is considerably shorter than my boom.  I'm 
wondering if that's "normal" for 30-1s (or other C&Cs for that matter).  It 
doesn't really look normal judging by brochure photos and drawings.

A previous owner had also raised the boom at least a foot from its original 
height, as the C&C itself did on later C&C 30s.

When I get a new mainsail I'd like to increase its area by both returning the 
boom to its original height, and increasing the length of mainsail's foot.  I'm 
thinking more area equals more power equals more speed.  And I can live with a 
lower boom.

Any words of wisdom to share?

Thanks,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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