Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
What year make and model? Loosening quadrant my not be enough. I removed mine. You may want to bridle the rudder somehow in case it decides to break loose. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Garry Cross via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 3:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Garry Cross Subject: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
On the MK I, once you get the collar and the quadrant off, it should be free. I had to wiggle mine and pull it to get it out. It was surprisingly light once I got it loose, no issue carrying it around. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I On 3/14/2020 3:18 PM, Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Whoa...the 40s rudder was a 4 man job. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. From: CnC-List on behalf of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 6:31:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. On the MK I, once you get the collar and the quadrant off, it should be free. I had to wiggle mine and pull it to get it out. It was surprisingly light once I got it loose, no issue carrying it around. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I On 3/14/2020 3:18 PM, Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
IIRC, on my C&C 39 I removed the collar, (first block the bottom of the rudder) Loosened the quadrant, , and drove a screwdriver or pry bar into the slot on the back, to hold it open a little bit so it would slip. Then I had to dig a hole and jack the back of the cradle up some. Measure how much shaft has to come out to the bottom to determine how much room you need below the rudder. If you still have a barn door rudder, you may not need to do this. Mine was either 120 or 140 Pounds, I did it myself, but I was 20 years younger then. I would get help now.. Especially to put it back in! Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Garry Cross via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 3:19 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Garry Cross Subject: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
When we rebuilt our rudder several years ago, it did take removal of quadrant, doughnut nut and some jiggling to remove. Had 2 strong folks helping which was a real plus as the rudder was water logged and heavy. Much easier putting the rebuilt dry and much lighter rudder back in. Good advice to bridle the rudder to prevent a crash to the ground John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 7:57 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Whoa...the 40s rudder was a 4 man job. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. _ From: CnC-List on behalf of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 6:31:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Joe Della Barba Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. On the MK I, once you get the collar and the quadrant off, it should be free. I had to wiggle mine and pull it to get it out. It was surprisingly light once I got it loose, no issue carrying it around. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I On 3/14/2020 3:18 PM, Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
When I dropped the rudder on our 34R, I had to dig a hole to allow for the long shaft. I dug a two foot deep hole and setup a long lever (2 x 8) and fulcrum (sawhorse or a short ladder that is slightly higher than the bottom of the rudder) to accept the weight of the rudder before removing the top pin and rollers that carry the weight. I strapped a boat cushion on the lever to catch the edge of the rudder tip. I pushed the lever down to raise the rudder a little and weighted the lever end with a five gallon pail of water. Then I climbed up onto the boat and took apart the roller thing. Back on the ground, I could easily control the lowering to expose 90% of the shaft and stop it there with the weight again, so the hull still held the shaft end. I then moved closer to the rudder to guide it when it came free from the hull and laid it down onto a tarp spreadout beforehand on the ground. I did it all solo and possibly used my own weight to help the rudder drop the last few inches. My rudder is heavy because the SS shaft is a large 3" diameter and very thick walled. It's probably a little over 100#. BTW, I removed the rudder to check for crevice corrosion and drill the fiberglass shaft in the hull and install grease fittings in the delrin bearings. Worked great; removing all play in the system. I also ground out the fiberglass around the shaft and resealed the joint with epoxy. Anyway, putting the rudder back in needed a second person and I used the same 2 x 8 lever and cushion and I steered the shaft into the hole while my helper worked the lever. My helper also kept the weight on until I could re-assemble the pin and rollers. That was in 2007. Chuck Scheaffer, 1989 C&C 34R Resolute, Pasadena, Md > On March 14, 2020 at 8:41 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List > wrote: > > > When we rebuilt our rudder several years ago, it did take removal of > quadrant, doughnut nut and some jiggling to remove. Had 2 strong folks > helping which was a real plus as the rudder was water logged and heavy. Much > easier putting the rebuilt dry and much lighter rudder back in. Good advice > to bridle the rudder to prevent a crash to the ground > > > > John and Maryann > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be removed before dropping rudder. For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the > quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of > the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. > > Thanks all. > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Thanks for the feedback. Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and quarter birth. I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell right off, Key came out no problem. I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass skin and some foam off the steel blade. There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Cc: Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be removed before dropping rudder. For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the > quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of > the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. > > Thanks all. > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like there was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. > Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. > Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and > quarter birth. > I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to > take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell > right off, Key came out no problem. > I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back on > again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a > little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its > own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a > hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its > toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass > skin and some foam off the steel blade. > There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ > > I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Dennis C." > To: CnClist > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. > Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be > removed before dropping rudder. > > For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: > https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the >> quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of >> the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. >> >> Thanks all. >> > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
To be honest, I did not notice. I may have wondered why boat speed or why wind angle I expected could not be achieved. I think backing up was more of an issue. That big steel blade worked pretty well. Frankly couldn't say how long it was like that. Somewhere between launch and haul out. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Heaton wrote: > Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like there > was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? > > Ken H. > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the feedback. >> Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. >> Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and >> quarter birth. >> I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to >> take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell >> right off, Key came out no problem. >> I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back >> on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a >> little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its >> own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a >> hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its >> toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass >> skin and some foam off the steel blade. >> There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. >> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ >> >> I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Dennis C." >> To: CnClist >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 >> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. >> Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be >> removed before dropping rudder. >> >> For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the >>> quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of >>> the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. >>> >>> Thanks all. >>> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Makes sense. There is a C&C here that had its rudder replaced a number of years ago with a flat metal plate (with a few stiffeners on the sides) with the same outline as the original rudder. It works for them. Looks weird though. Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 22:45, Garry Cross wrote: > To be honest, I did not notice. I may have wondered why boat speed or why > wind angle I expected could not be achieved. > I think backing up was more of an issue. > That big steel blade worked pretty well. Frankly couldn't say how long it > was like that. Somewhere between launch and haul out. > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Heaton wrote: > >> Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like >> there was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? >> >> Ken H. >> >> On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the feedback. >>> Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. >>> Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and >>> quarter birth. >>> I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to >>> take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell >>> right off, Key came out no problem. >>> I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back >>> on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a >>> little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its >>> own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a >>> hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its >>> toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass >>> skin and some foam off the steel blade. >>> There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ >>> >>> I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: "Dennis C." >>> To: CnClist >>> Cc: >>> Bcc: >>> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. >>> Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be >>> removed before dropping rudder. >>> >>> For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened >>>> the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top >>>> of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. >>>> >>>> Thanks all. >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >>> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Interesting reveal as to how our rudders are constructed. Years ago a C&C 41 replaced their rudder with a high tech one prior to a BMD race. Damned thing fell apart on the way back. I think I would rather rebuild what we have and carry the weight around. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. From: CnC-List on behalf of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:11:15 AM To: Garry Cross Cc: Ken Heaton ; cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Makes sense. There is a C&C here that had its rudder replaced a number of years ago with a flat metal plate (with a few stiffeners on the sides) with the same outline as the original rudder. It works for them. Looks weird though. Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 22:45, Garry Cross mailto:garr...@gmail.com>> wrote: To be honest, I did not notice. I may have wondered why boat speed or why wind angle I expected could not be achieved. I think backing up was more of an issue. That big steel blade worked pretty well. Frankly couldn't say how long it was like that. Somewhere between launch and haul out. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Heaton mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like there was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and quarter birth. I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell right off, Key came out no problem. I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass skin and some foam off the steel blade. There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be removed before dropping rudder. For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal.
Didn't someone get stainless ribs cut to a NACA airfoil, weld them onto the original rudder shaft, and then skin both side with thin stainless sheetmetal? That actually sounds pretty light. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Interesting reveal as to how our rudders are constructed. Years ago a C&C 41 replaced their rudder with a high tech one prior to a BMD race. Damned thing fell apart on the way back. I think I would rather rebuild what we have and carry the weight around. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf of Ken Heaton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:11:15 AM To: Garry Cross mailto:garr...@gmail.com>> Cc: Ken Heaton mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>>; cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Makes sense. There is a C&C here that had its rudder replaced a number of years ago with a flat metal plate (with a few stiffeners on the sides) with the same outline as the original rudder. It works for them. Looks weird though. Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 22:45, Garry Cross mailto:garr...@gmail.com>> wrote: To be honest, I did not notice. I may have wondered why boat speed or why wind angle I expected could not be achieved. I think backing up was more of an issue. That big steel blade worked pretty well. Frankly couldn't say how long it was like that. Somewhere between launch and haul out. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Heaton mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like there was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and quarter birth. I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell right off, Key came out no problem. I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass skin and some foam off the steel blade. There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_<https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=de28182a-835b8b4b-de28315d-ac1f6b44e86e-d00a14fbec5a86e8&q=1&e=1aaed381-0a94-4f6f-b06e-a18f657a87e5&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_> I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> Cc: Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be removed before dropping rudder. For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd<https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=f5f9fe10-a88a6d71-f5f9d767-ac1f6b44e86e-f78a306d19b7cf5f&q=1&e=1aaed381-0a94-4f6f-b06e-a18f657a87e5&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd> Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Completion Composits in Ontario rebuilt my rudder and did a great job. It was about 325lbs when I removed it and 150lbs after rebuild. It was wet inside and the bottom 10"+ was solid fiberglass. I was concerned about the deteriorization of the shaft. Turns out it was in good shape. There is a video on their website on the rebuild process. Beats the heck out of removing the rudder every winter and keeping it in my garage to drainSpencer Johnson 84 LF 38 "Alegria " #165Waukegan, IL / Racine, WI___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Costs? Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. From: CnC-List on behalf of ssjohnson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:20:30 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ssjohnson Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder Removal Completion Composits in Ontario rebuilt my rudder and did a great job. It was about 325lbs when I removed it and 150lbs after rebuild. It was wet inside and the bottom 10"+ was solid fiberglass. I was concerned about the deteriorization of the shaft. Turns out it was in good shape. There is a video on their website on the rebuild process. Beats the heck out of removing the rudder every winter and keeping it in my garage to drain Spencer Johnson 84 LF 38 "Alegria " #165 Waukegan, IL / Racine, WI ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Yes, that was on a rudder for a 39 that the original owner had the barn door rudder upgraded at Bruckmans. The first year I had it, half the rudder was missing in the fall, pretty much like the picture we just saw. It went from around 140# to a hundred pounds, it was virtually weightless in the water. I could hold it with my fingernails straight up submerged. 14 Gauge SS. Bill Coleman Erie PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:47 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Didn't someone get stainless ribs cut to a NACA airfoil, weld them onto the original rudder shaft, and then skin both side with thin stainless sheetmetal? That actually sounds pretty light. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I www.dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Interesting reveal as to how our rudders are constructed. Years ago a C&C 41 replaced their rudder with a high tech one prior to a BMD race. Damned thing fell apart on the way back. I think I would rather rebuild what we have and carry the weight around. Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. _ From: CnC-List on behalf of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:11:15 AM To: Garry Cross Cc: Ken Heaton ; cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Makes sense. There is a C&C here that had its rudder replaced a number of years ago with a flat metal plate (with a few stiffeners on the sides) with the same outline as the original rudder. It works for them. Looks weird though. Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 22:45, Garry Cross wrote: To be honest, I did not notice. I may have wondered why boat speed or why wind angle I expected could not be achieved. I think backing up was more of an issue. That big steel blade worked pretty well. Frankly couldn't say how long it was like that. Somewhere between launch and haul out. On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM Ken Heaton wrote: Wow. What did it feel to steer with it like that? Did it feel like there was still a rudder of sorts connected to it? Ken H. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 13:56, Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Turns out the hardest part was crawling in and out of that tight space. Especially on the starboard side. Not much room between fuel tank and quarter birth. I was thinking I could leave the quadrant on but then realized I have to take the key out of the shaft. Undid the 4 bolts and one cable and it fell right off, Key came out no problem. I had already undid the set screws and collar at the top. I had it back on again while I worked on the quadrant. After taking it off again, with a little rotation to free up the surface tension it began to slide out on its own. The boat on the cradle was high enough that I did not have to dig a hole. Here is a link to show why I had to take it out. Frost had taken its toll and a heavy close haul was all that was need to tear the fiberglass skin and some foam off the steel blade. There are some pictures here of the quadrant, top of post and rudder. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_ <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=de28182a-835b8b4b-de28315d-ac1f6b44e8 6e-d00a14fbec5a86e8&q=1&e=1aaed381-0a94-4f6f-b06e-a18f657a87e5&u=https%3A%2F %2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D1l4qMR5c9EUig7z1T4G1r97X9uSPagWU_> I'm hoping it can be re-skinned. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Dennis C." To: CnClist Cc: Bcc: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:55:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder removal. Does it have a collar on top of the rudder tube? My 35-1 does. Must be removed before dropping rudder. For a picture, scroll down to about Page 14 here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=f5f9fe10-a88a6d71-f5f9d767-ac1f6b44e8 6e-f78a306d19b7cf5f&q=1&e=1aaed381-0a94-4f6f-b06e-a18f657a87e5&u=https%3A%2F %2Fdrive.google.com%2Fopen%3Fid%3D115qLR3c13N2THCRpsOF-7UGGJBweFXfd> Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:19 PM Garry Cross via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, I started the process of removing my rudder. I have loosened the quadrant and cables attached to it and removed the bearing on the top of the rudder. Should it now just drop out? What else needs to be done?. Thanks all. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly a
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I had our rudder rebuilt at Competition Composites back in 2014 for our 33-2 and I will vouch for them as well. For the rudder rebuild using the old post it was a little over $3 K Cdn. There were other options like a carbon post and I ended up shipping it to them then going to pick it up. South Shore wanted about 50% more for a replacement and I think the CCI rebuild is a superior product. CCI shapes then wraps the foam core as opposed to two halves glued together then injected as the originals are. YMMV I also removed the rudder in early September with the boat in the water and had it back in stalled in time for lift out the week after Thanksgiving week end. i.e mid October . Cheers, Tom S From: David Risch via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:27 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Risch ; ssjohnson Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder Removal Costs? Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you. From: CnC-List on behalf of ssjohnson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:20:30 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ssjohnson Subject: Re: Stus-List 35 MkII Rudder Removal Completion Composits in Ontario rebuilt my rudder and did a great job. It was about 325lbs when I removed it and 150lbs after rebuild. It was wet inside and the bottom 10"+ was solid fiberglass. I was concerned about the deteriorization of the shaft. Turns out it was in good shape. There is a video on their website on the rebuild process. Beats the heck out of removing the rudder every winter and keeping it in my garage to drain Spencer Johnson 84 LF 38 "Alegria " #165 Waukegan, IL / Racine, WI ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
