Re: Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info
Hi Doug, Avalanche has a wing keel. Cannot compare with the full keel, but I can say that upwind performance is impressive. All the experience sailor at the club think I have the full keel because I can point so well. With the genoa sheeted tight in the shrouds, the telltales are streaming up to 27 degree AWA. At 25 AWA, the windward telltales are lifting, I can hold 20 degree AWA for few minutes without stalling, but it is slow. I found the polar diagram of a CC 38-3 full keel (from an ORC International Certificate), and the VMG is at 42 degree TWA. Last summer, I recorded my boat data during a race, and most of my tack where 85 degree (there were no wind shift during those). It is tender that other sailboat, but not that much. With my cruising sails, I have to reef early (15 knots TWS), but I think it is more related to my old 15 years old cruising sails (read potato bag shape). During a race, we had the #1 genoa up, and with 15 knots TWS, never heeled more than 22 degree. With the huge sail plan, it heel faster that other boat, but it rapidly sits on its cheeks. Huge beam those 38-3. I have all sorts of comment on my boat; it looks pregnant, looks like a squirrel with a mouthful of nuts, etc... Around here (St-Lawrence 1000 Islands), the shoal draft is priceless. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Doug Allardyce via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com À : CnC- List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : samedi 8 novembre 2014 10h44 Objet : Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info I'm looking at a 1987 CC 38 MK III with a wing keel. Does anyone out there have any experience on how the upwind performance is with the wing keel at 5' 6 draft vs the full keel at 7' 7 draft. I understand that the full keel model will probably point better, I'm just trying to get a feel for what I might be giving up with the wing. Also curious to know how tender the boat might be. Plan to do some casual club racing. Doug _/)~~~_/) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info
Thanks Pierre, That helps a lot. Impressive numbers. I'm lucky to get 30 degrees out of my 35-3, and I need to reef way before 15 TWS with the #1 up which is a mylar sail. Doug _/)~~~_/) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 9:26 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info Hi Doug, Avalanche has a wing keel. Cannot compare with the full keel, but I can say that upwind performance is impressive. All the experience sailor at the club think I have the full keel because I can point so well. With the genoa sheeted tight in the shrouds, the telltales are streaming up to 27 degree AWA. At 25 AWA, the windward telltales are lifting, I can hold 20 degree AWA for few minutes without stalling, but it is slow. I found the polar diagram of a CC 38-3 full keel (from an ORC International Certificate), and the VMG is at 42 degree TWA. Last summer, I recorded my boat data during a race, and most of my tack where 85 degree (there were no wind shift during those). It is tender that other sailboat, but not that much. With my cruising sails, I have to reef early (15 knots TWS), but I think it is more related to my old 15 years old cruising sails (read potato bag shape). During a race, we had the #1 genoa up, and with 15 knots TWS, never heeled more than 22 degree. With the huge sail plan, it heel faster that other boat, but it rapidly sits on its cheeks. Huge beam those 38-3. I have all sorts of comment on my boat; it looks pregnant, looks like a squirrel with a mouthful of nuts, etc... Around here (St-Lawrence 1000 Islands), the shoal draft is priceless. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Doug Allardyce via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com À : CnC- List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : samedi 8 novembre 2014 10h44 Objet : Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info I'm looking at a 1987 CC 38 MK III with a wing keel. Does anyone out there have any experience on how the upwind performance is with the wing keel at 5' 6 draft vs the full keel at 7' 7 draft. I understand that the full keel model will probably point better, I'm just trying to get a feel for what I might be giving up with the wing. Also curious to know how tender the boat might be. Plan to do some casual club racing. Doug _/)~~~_/) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 38 MK III Info
I'm looking at a 1987 CC 38 MK III with a wing keel. Does anyone out there have any experience on how the upwind performance is with the wing keel at 5' 6 draft vs the full keel at 7' 7 draft. I understand that the full keel model will probably point better, I'm just trying to get a feel for what I might be giving up with the wing. Also curious to know how tender the boat might be. Plan to do some casual club racing. Doug _/)~~~_/) attachment: winmail.dat___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
