Re: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
Mike, I don't know what wind condition you have in SD, but I would say 135. This is what I have on my furler and, if the shape is ok, should be good up to 20 kn. My #2 is very old and baggy and also give me a lot of weather helm. I have a racing Kevlar 135 that is good up to 25 kn. 150 is a pain to tack in light wind and is only good under 10 kn. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De : Mike Flannery via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com À : CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Envoyé le : mercredi 3 décembre 2014 19h41 Objet : Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics I recently purchased a 38-3. Now need to replace headsail. Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150 use. I'm replacing a135 which rounded us up or resulted in heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing. Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery602-849-3396 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
Hi Mike, I'm not an expert on the 38-3 but you mentioned Heavy weather Helm and not 'Excessive Heel Another (Free) thing you might want to consider is tuning your rig. If you have excessive weather helm it could be an indication that you simply have too much rake on our mast.. A (fairly) simple stays adjustment moving the mast head forward a couple inches might do the trick. As for the 135 vs 150 (especially if you don't have a furler) I'm with Pierre, Unless most of your sailing is in very light winds over longer distances , the incremental benefit of the increased sail area of the 150 is most likely offset by it's propensity to get tangled-up every time you tack.. And that's true when racing too. I was advised against to go 135 vs 155 by some very seasoned racers for the same reasons (+ you get some PHRF points back for the smaller sail) Good luck to you. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia Mike, I don't know what wind condition you have in SD, but I would say 135. This is what I have on my furler and, if the shape is ok, should be good up to 20 kn. My #2 is very old and baggy and also give me a lot of weather helm. I have a racing Kevlar?135 that is good up to 25 kn. 150 is a pain to tack in light wind and is only good under 10 kn. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De?: Mike Flannery via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com ??: CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Envoy? le : mercredi 3 d?cembre 2014 19h41 Objet?: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics I recently purchased a 38-3.? Now need to replace headsail.? Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150?use. I'm replacing a135? which rounded us up or resulted in?heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing.? Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery602-849-3396___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
I'm not sure what you consider to be heavy weather. On my 35/3 with a 135 I need to shorten sail at above 15 knots true. Otherwise, I heel more and go slower. I reef the main, and it still overpowered furl down the jib. What condition is the main in? If it is baggy and blown out it will have a tendency to make you heel and round up. Be sure to flatten it with the outhaul and cunningham. If you have an adjustable backstay, tension in when the wind picks up. San Diego is generally under 15 knots IIRC. I would go with a 135, but I like to go fast. If all you want is a liesurely cruise, you might consider a smaller sail. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Mike, I'm not an expert on the 38-3 but you mentioned Heavy weather Helm and not 'Excessive Heel Another (Free) thing you might want to consider is tuning your rig. If you have excessive weather helm it could be an indication that you simply have too much rake on our mast.. A (fairly) simple stays adjustment moving the mast head forward a couple inches might do the trick. As for the 135 vs 150 (especially if you don't have a furler) I'm with Pierre, Unless most of your sailing is in very light winds over longer distances , the incremental benefit of the increased sail area of the 150 is most likely offset by it's propensity to get tangled-up every time you tack.. And that's true when racing too. I was advised against to go 135 vs 155 by some very seasoned racers for the same reasons (+ you get some PHRF points back for the smaller sail) Good luck to you. -Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia Mike, I don't know what wind condition you have in SD, but I would say 135. This is what I have on my furler and, if the shape is ok, should be good up to 20 kn. My #2 is very old and baggy and also give me a lot of weather helm. I have a racing Kevlar?135 that is good up to 25 kn. 150 is a pain to tack in light wind and is only good under 10 kn. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 De?: Mike Flannery via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com ??: CnC-List@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Envoy? le : mercredi 3 d?cembre 2014 19h41 Objet?: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics I recently purchased a 38-3.? Now need to replace headsail.? Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150?use. I'm replacing a135? which rounded us up or resulted in?heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing.? Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery602-849-3396 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
I recently purchased a 38-3. Now need to replace headsail. Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150 use. I'm replacing a135 which rounded us up or resulted in heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing. Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery602-849-3396___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
Furler or no furler? With limited crew you don't want to have to change sails, especially single handed. It is easy to want a larger sail thinking it will be more versatile (I can always furl it in.) It's not. A furled 150 is only efficient to about 110, where as a 135 is pretty good down to about 90. If a 135 is already rounding you up then I wouldn't go any bigger. If the prevailing winds were consistently above 15kts then I would consider a 110. Here on the Chesapeake Bay we get a lot of 5-10 kts and the full 135 works great. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Dec 3, 2014 7:41 PM, Mike Flannery via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I recently purchased a 38-3. Now need to replace headsail. Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150 use. I'm replacing a135 which rounded us up or resulted in heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing. Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery 602-849-3396 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
Mike, A 135% shouldn’t be rounding you up unless you’re in very heavy winds. A 135 on a 38 MK 3 should be good to at least 20kts true without reefing the main. I would look at replacing both the jib and the main if you’re having problems with excessive weather helm. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike Flannery via CnC-List Sent: December-03-14 20:42 To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics I recently purchased a 38-3. Now need to replace headsail. Could use some input on 110 vs 135 vs 150 use. I'm replacing a135 which rounded us up or resulted in heavy weather helm with small crew. I also singlehand a lot so I'm trying to figure out what workd best for me San Diego sailing. Appreciate any info. Mike Flannery 602-849-3396 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8675 - Release Date: 12/03/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC 38-3 Sailing Characteristics
Mike - I'd vote for the 110. If the 38-3 sails anything like an LF38, that should be fine. I put a 90 on my boat when it was single handing the SF bay, and kept it on when sailing to Mexico. I'll eventually replace it with a 110, but don't see the need for more power if not racing. Even with a 90, I move along just fine in light air. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
