Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I threw the hammer overboard.  The thumbs are safe for another year (or are
they?).  The other side of the slip from us is an '80 38' C  I enjoy
renovation projects and with early retirement around the bend, I will have
more time.  Engine tear down, machining and rebuilding is my strong area
and slowly adding marine reno department work.

On the current side of work, Tapestry has a new modified (North) 150 for
roller furling, Schaefer system to be installed in about a week by the
rigger, and I will be changing a few cheek blocks for better cockipit line
handling.


Bill Dakin
S/V Tapestry
25MKII
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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I got free O'day 22 as my first sailboat.  Needed everything but the 
hull was in good shape.  I went through the whole damn boat including 
new engine rigging, sails, bulkhead, teak toe rails, rub rail, various 
deck core/ rebed projects and crack fixes.  The boat came out really 
nice but, I had dumped about 8 or 9k into it and sold it for $4800 after 
I got the viking 33,  That boat was a similar story but, I paid $5k for 
it and dumped about 25k into it and sold it for $18,900  with a similar 
list of renovations including nav instruments, electrical wiring and all 
new head and plumbing holding talk...  blah, blah, blah.  I don't really 
complain because of the education in sailboat's inner workings and the 
warm and fuzzy feeling of saving another old, plastic boat from the 
scrap heap.  Both of those boats, potentially, will have many more years 
of life out sailing.  Funny thing is that they were both bought bought 
by new sailors who happened to be of the fairer sex, for whatever that 
is worth...


but, a boat sitting holding 18 inches of water for god knows how long 
and leaks, and blisters...OMG I'm getting nauseated thinking about 
it...  The hammer and thumb analogy is awesome Joel!!!


Danny
Tartan 40
Mattapoisett, MA



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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I got a free boat a couple of years ago. That's the most expensive kind of boat 
you can get!
Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Ed dooley via CnC-List]

I agree with the "run away!" comments. I bought my C 24 7 years ago for 
$3,600, with a rough working job, an almost new 150 (I think) Genny, a 9.9 hp 
outboard that seized up soon after purchase, a trailer. All in all on good 
shape. A year later I looked at almost the identical boat for $2,500. Imagine 
buying sails, rigging, outboard, etc for that.
Ed

On Aug 7, 2017, at 4:48 PM, G Collins  wrote:

> Look at the cost of replacing what you've listed - sails and running rigging. 
>  For that amount see what sort of boat you can buy...
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C 35-III #11
> On 2017-08-07 1:50 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List wrote:
>> I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My 
>> inquiries led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, 
>> if any.  Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take 
>> offers on it and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it 
>> to mean, we would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast 
>> step and haul out to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long 
>> term renovation.  
>> 
>> The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some 
>> inspection opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks 
>> that lead aft to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood 
>> sandwich construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it 
>> is saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
>> fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former 
>> being very serious.  
>> 
>> She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
>> blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
>> running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
>> cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to  talk myself out of this!
>> 
>> Bill Dakin
>> C 25 MKII
>> S/V Tapestry
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

My girlfriend bought a 27 ft for $1(that's another story). I think she paid too 
much, soft fore deck, rotted bulkheads, an engine that overheats, but it has 
good sails. I say run fast and far. 

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Rebecca Leah LF39 
 Original message From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
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I had a C 24 and it is a great boat. But you can get one for the price of the 
sails and the motor. I am not sure if $2k would buy a good one, but $4k-$5k for 
sure.
 
Yes, run as far as you can
 
Marek
 
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Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 13:22

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Chuck Gilchrest

Subject: Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

 



C 24s in Southern Massachusetts and RI are listing from “free” to $2000.  
There have been several showing up on Craigslist for months.  If you already 
own a 25, you own the better boat..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
(formerly 1975 25 mk1)
Padanaram, MA
 
 

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Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:51 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Bill Dakin <aussiebr...@gmail.com>

Subject: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII
 

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't
 worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we would like it 
to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out to my 25 MKII 
trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.  

 


The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction. 
 Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is saturated, will it be 
possible to dry out without removing the fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both 
instances are rough with the former being very serious.  


 


She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh,
 I'm about to talk myself out of this!


 


Bill Dakin


C 25 MKII


S/V Tapestry



 





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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I had a C 24 and it is a great boat. But you can get one for the price of the 
sails and the motor. I am not sure if $2k would buy a good one, but $4k-$5k for 
sure.

Yes, run as far as you can

Marek

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From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 13:22
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest<mailto:csgilchr...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

C 24s in Southern Massachusetts and RI are listing from “free” to $2000.  
There have been several showing up on Craigslist for months.  If you already 
own a 25, you own the better boat..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
(formerly 1975 25 mk1)
Padanaram, MA


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dakin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Dakin <aussiebr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we 
would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out 
to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is 
saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former being 
very serious.

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

Bill Dakin
C 25 MKII
S/V Tapestry

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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Look at the cost of replacing what you've listed - sails and running rigging.  
For that amount see what sort of boat you can buy...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2017-08-07 1:50 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List wrote:
I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we 
would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out 
to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is 
saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former being 
very serious.

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

Bill Dakin
C 25 MKII
S/V Tapestry




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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The only way I see this working is selling the lead for scrap.


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
Gilchrest via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 1:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

C 24s in Southern Massachusetts and RI are listing from “free” to $2000.  
There have been several showing up on Craigslist for months.  If you already 
own a 25, you own the better boat..
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
(formerly 1975 25 mk1)
Padanaram, MA


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dakin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Bill Dakin <aussiebr...@gmail.com<mailto:aussiebr...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we 
would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out 
to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is 
saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former being 
very serious.

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

Bill Dakin
C 25 MKII
S/V Tapestry

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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My boat repair buddy and I repair boats.  He is incorporated as a marine
salvage company.  I was incorporated as a marine repair business.  He and I
have years and years of experience in repairing and refurbishing boats.

After Hurricane Katrina, there were LOTS of boats available for "cheap".
Also, there are occasionally derelict boats in nearby marinas.  The marinas
pick them up through sheriff's eviction due to non-payment of slip fees.
The marina just wants them to go away so they can re-activate the slip.  My
boat repair buddy and I have raised more than one off the bottom at the
expense of owners or the marinas.  We don't work for free or for the
salvage rights.

So, how many have we bought or have gotten free in the last 15-20 years?
Answer - zero.

More often than not, the marinas hire a couple of guys to haul them out and
take a chainsaw to them.

Unless

   - all it needs is a relatively easy cosmetic fix and you don't have to
   pay storage or dockage,
   - you plan to fix it and keep it, or
   - you really, really like working on boats and have the time and $$

Run away!!  Far, far away!

Just my opinion.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My
> inquiries led the management to look into the status of the boat and
> owners, if any.  Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to
> take offers on it and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I
> interpret it to mean, we would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay
> for the mast step and haul out to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport
> it for long term renovation.
>
> The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some
> inspection opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks
> that lead aft to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood
> sandwich construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it
> is saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the
> fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former
> being very serious.
>
> She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have
> a blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails,
> running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the
> cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!
>
> Bill Dakin
> C 25 MKII
> S/V Tapestry
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

C 24s in Southern Massachusetts and RI are listing from “free” to $2000.  
There have been several showing up on Craigslist for months.  If you already 
own a 25, you own the better boat..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

(formerly 1975 25 mk1)

Padanaram, MA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dakin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Dakin <aussiebr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

 

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we 
would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out 
to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.  

 

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is 
saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former being 
very serious.  

 

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

 

Bill Dakin

C 25 MKII

S/V Tapestry


 

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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Bill,
 In reasonably good condition, what is boat worth?  Think about it..if project 
to sell, probably not smart.  Keep and love, maybe.  But guaranteed you will 
have more cash and sweat in it than you think...
Bill Walker 
CnC  36

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On Monday, August 7, 2017 Bill Dakin via CnC-List  wrote:

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My inquiries 
led the management to look into the status of the boat and owners, if any.  
Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to take offers on it 
and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I interpret it to mean, we 
would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay for the mast step and haul out 
to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport it for long term renovation.  


The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some inspection 
opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks that lead aft 
to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood sandwich 
construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it is 
saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the 
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former being 
very serious.  


She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have a 
blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails, 
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the 
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!


Bill Dakin

C 25 MKII

S/V Tapestry


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Re: Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bill,

Ever hit your thumb with a hammer?  That feels good compared to what you
are contemplating!

My 2 cents

Joel

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Bill Dakin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My
> inquiries led the management to look into the status of the boat and
> owners, if any.  Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to
> take offers on it and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I
> interpret it to mean, we would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay
> for the mast step and haul out to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport
> it for long term renovation.
>
> The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some
> inspection opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks
> that lead aft to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood
> sandwich construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it
> is saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the
> fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former
> being very serious.
>
> She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have
> a blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails,
> running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the
> cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!
>
> Bill Dakin
> C 25 MKII
> S/V Tapestry
>
>
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Stus-List Derelict C 24 MKII

[Bill Dakin via CnC-List]

I have had my eyes on a derelict 24 on our dock for months now.  My
inquiries led the management to look into the status of the boat and
owners, if any.  Turns out it belongs to the marina and they are willing to
take offers on it and 'don't worry about insulting offers', which I
interpret it to mean, we would like it to go.  My offer is leaning to pay
for the mast step and haul out to my 25 MKII trailer where I can transport
it for long term renovation.

The staff pumped out 18" of water on the cabin sole to provide some
inspection opportunity.  The most obvious problem is a drip from the blocks
that lead aft to the cockpit.  I'm concerned this region contains plywood
sandwich construction.  Even if it is only foam in the construction, and it
is saturated, will it be possible to dry out without removing the
fiberglass/gelcoat cabin top.  Both instances are rough with the former
being very serious.

She has been in the water for many years, so it occurs to me she will have
a blistering hull.  I would be in no hurry to get her renovated.  No sails,
running rigging shot, even water dripping from the chain plates inside the
cabin.  Gosh, I'm about to talk myself out of this!

Bill Dakin
C 25 MKII
S/V Tapestry
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