Re: Stus-List Furling Main
I sailed my boat for 2 seasons before installing Harken lazy jacks. No regrets whatsoever 12 years later. Made single handing a much better experience. Combined with full battens it helps to keep the mainsail in control at all times. Helps especially to hoist when single handing. No need to go forward since you can remove the sail ties before leaving the harbour in all but the most extreme conditions. Keeps the sail off the deck when furling which is probably the most obvious advantage, but I find it especially helpful when shortening sail. Great labour saving device, and hence the name. The only operational drawback, and it is a small one, is that you have to use a bit of care not to snag the leech when hoisting the sail. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: Maturo, John via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 08:32 Subject: Stus-List Furling Main I removed the lazy jacks my boat came with and find dropping the main quickly puts the sail on the leeward deck providing a quick conversion to power with no windage issues to deal with and good visibility for the helmsman. Flaking the sail is easy working from the topping lift end of the boom. Yes I have a boom topping lift. I have never had a problem with the sail blowing over the side provided we are into the wind or in the relative calm of the harbor entrance. I like simplicity. Fewer things to tangle, get jammed, or wear out. John Maturo 203-494-6782 Ashe, Baltic/CC 39 Branford CT On Feb 24, 2015, at 08:20, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.comd=AwICAgc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uom=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4pss=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntMe= or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Furling the main (Marek Dziedzic) 2. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Ronald B. Frerker) 3. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Russ Melody) 4. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Della Barba, Joe) 5. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Bill Bina - gmail) 6. Re: Furling the main (David Knecht) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:27:36 -0500 From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Message-ID: blu184-ds20adabd0e8520c4273c59ece...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Burt, Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major modifications to it) or a new sail cover. You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. A few points that you might find useful: - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer (;-). - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6 from the mast). This would make raising the sail much easier as the slot between the lines would be wider. - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV. - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is Catalina Direct does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much
Stus-List Furling Main
I removed the lazy jacks my boat came with and find dropping the main quickly puts the sail on the leeward deck providing a quick conversion to power with no windage issues to deal with and good visibility for the helmsman. Flaking the sail is easy working from the topping lift end of the boom. Yes I have a boom topping lift. I have never had a problem with the sail blowing over the side provided we are into the wind or in the relative calm of the harbor entrance. I like simplicity. Fewer things to tangle, get jammed, or wear out. John Maturo 203-494-6782 Ashe, Baltic/CC 39 Branford CT On Feb 24, 2015, at 08:20, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__cnc-2Dlist.com_mailman_listinfo_cnc-2Dlist-5Fcnc-2Dlist.comd=AwICAgc=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqwr=JfOGUZ0Fy3MRBAMuzaSlv4fhcMOsdV5O-H4NS90a5uom=t6ksqf2XVmiKwojY3AS6AGn6cFGwI9qRIPpvBOGm4pss=tZVbZyCYCgvbTYbAkJ8bBnASBib4dFDFJe6iu1svntMe= or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Furling the main (Marek Dziedzic) 2. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Ronald B. Frerker) 3. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil (Russ Melody) 4. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Della Barba, Joe) 5. Re: Handheld VHF with DSC (Bill Bina - gmail) 6. Re: Furling the main (David Knecht) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 23:27:36 -0500 From: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Message-ID: blu184-ds20adabd0e8520c4273c59ece...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Burt, Only the Lazy Jacks don't require changes to your main sail. Both stack pack and the Dutchman system might require a completely new main (or major modifications to it) or a new sail cover. You can buy the Harken set or what I would suggest, assemble your own kit. This is not an overly complicated task. Fortunately, Harken and many others publish pretty good pictures and diagrams which you can use. A few points that you might find useful: - If you make your own set, be prepared that the amount of line required for the lazy jacks is way more than you would ever imagine. If I remember correctly I needed over 70 ft for a single Y system (two lines going to the boom). I eventually switched to three lines to the boom and it was around 100 ft. Keep in mind that it is usually much easier to cut the line than to make it longer (;-). - If it works for you, consider attaching the top end of the lazy jacks to the spreaders (10-15 cm/4-6 from the mast). This would make raising the sail much easier as the slot between the lines would be wider. - Many would say that using stainless steel rings, instead of little blocks is fine. My experience showed that the SS rings almost cut through the line (chafe) in one season. YMMV. - And lastly, if the cost of the Harken set seems prohibitive, but you are not feeling like assembling the set yourself, you should be able to find something in a local chandlery or on-line. For comparison, e.g. Sailboat Owners sells the Harken kit for around $360, but Catalina Direct sells a similar set (not brand name) for about $210. The fact that it is Catalina Direct does not mean that the set would not be useful, because there is nothing specific about the lazy jacks; it is just a few pieces of hardware, a piece of line and a few blocks. A kit like that has an advantage, because it comes with all screws, bolts, drill bits, taps, Tef-gel and instructions. Guessing from how you asked you question, you might not have too much experience with boat work, so a kit like that might be an easier way to tackle the job. Good luck Marek (in cold Ottawa) Btw. It was so cold tonight (around -25 - -27 C at the hill, plus the wind-chill) that the local ski hill closed; second time this year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: February-23-15 21:07 To: 'Dennis C.'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling the main Dennis, Believe it or not I used that method out of desperation. I was admittedly a little embarrassed. I thought I was just demonstrating my lack of experience. I was also pretty happy with the result. I appreciate knowing otherwise. Newport has some pretty accomplished (and judgmental) sailors. There have been times I just gave up on the main and
Re: Stus-List Furling Main
Funny...when sailing to the mooring I do the opposite. Furl Jib in outer harbor and with plenty of run-room drop and flake the main. Unroll jib and sail to mooring. I can decelerate and accelerate thru the mooring field by furling and unfurling jib as control requires. When approaching mooring just put it away and there is none of the main boom banging around or somehow catching breeze if the boat falls off when dead on the water. When docking under sail works like a charm too. David F. Risch 1981 40 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:23:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Furling Main From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I agree with John, the simpler, the better. I sail singlehanded 90% of the time. When sailing on to my mooring, I furl the jib well in advance, approach the mooring in irons, drop the main and grab the mooring lines. The main is then flaked properly. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Furling Main
I agree with John, the simpler, the better. I sail singlehanded 90% of the time. When sailing on to my mooring, I furl the jib well in advance, approach the mooring in irons, drop the main and grab the mooring lines. The main is then flaked properly.___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
