Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
As for check valves they are the only way to prevent back flow. Yes they can clog, yes they can minimize pump flow. I think the best option is to have 2 pumps: -a low flow, positive displacement pump, with a small-ish suction hose and suction check valve installed as close to the raw end of the hose and mounted as low a possible in lowest part of the bilge. It needs its own discharge hose as well. This pump acts as the normal bilge pump and cleans up the back flow from the high flow pump. It also handles the incidental accumulation of water. This pump will suck the bilge dry and then push air out through the discharge hoses. A suction check valve may not even be needed. -at least one high volume pump (likely centrifugal) with large wires, large suction hose, large discharge hose, and a large machine cloth suction strainer box with no check valve. Mount the suction and pump high-ish. Mount the level switch slightly above the suction so that the pump turns off without drawings air. This acts as an emergency pump for bulk removal of water. I've had bad experiences with "duck" style check valves. They create too much head loss and don't seal against the few inches of water back pressure. They work fine in systems where considerable back pressure is present. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 4:07 PM Bruce Pope via CnC-List wrote: > After reading your post I decided to forgo check valves on both primary > and secondary bilge pumps and had the same experience with recycling bilge > water. Installed Whale Gusher check valves this spring and they both > leak. It takes about 30 minutes for leakage to top the electronic float > and cycle up pump. > > Anyone have recommendations for alternatives? > > Not a lot of reviews of check valves or non return valves. > > > Bruce > > S/V Gyrfalcon > > C&C 29-2 > > Kootenay Lake, BC > > > -- > *From:* Randy Stafford > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:26 AM > *To:* cnc-list > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > I’ve had mixed experience with Rule pumps in three years on Grenadine. > She came with an old Rule-Mate 1100 that still works as intended. Before > the 2017 season I added a second Rule-Mate 1100 under the mast step, and it > came from the store with an inoperative internal water sensor, so automatic > mode was useless, and reversed internal wiring or impeller so that it just > churned the bilge water instead of pumping it out the discharge hose. And > yes, I’m certain I wired it correctly - this past offseason I unstepped the > mast and put in a replacement new Rule Mate 1100 which works as intended on > the exact same wiring - which I’d completely replaced before the 2017 > season with right-sized / oversized wire. There are a lot of negative > reviews of these Rule-Mate pumps on westmarine.com (one of them mine, the > most-liked negative review there). > > On a related topic, when I overhauled the bilge plumbing before the 2017 > season, I chose not to install check valves in the discharge hoses because > I was pretty influenced by http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm. I > wrote a long post to the list about my thought process - > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html. > Turns out I drained my batteries twice last season from a cycling bilge > pump, because I didn’t manually pump the bilge often enough. And that > sucked - I had to pull the batteries out, bring them home, put them on a > charger, take them back and put them in, etc. Fortunately I didn’t kill > the battery life with those mistakes - they’ve been working fine. Pain is > a great teacher, so this past offseason I relaxed my principles and > installed Whale Gusher check valves in the discharge hoses. > > Now I’m worried that the little rubber joker valves inside those check > valves will fail and lead to pump cycling again. The big rubber joker > valve in my Jabsco head only lasts about a year, I’ve found, after which it > leaks and allows backflow. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I don’t like check valves in a bilge pump system because they are prone to blockage and leakage. Just put a high point in the discharge line (before the point of overboard discharge such that minimal water back flows when the bilge pump shuts off. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Bruce Pope via CnC-List > wrote: > > After reading your post I decided to forgo check valves on both primary and > secondary bilge pumps and had the same experience with recycling bilge water. > Installed Whale Gusher check valves this spring and they both leak. It > takes about 30 minutes for leakage to top the electronic float and cycle up > pump. > Anyone have recommendations for alternatives? > Not a lot of reviews of check valves or non return valves. > > Bruce > S/V Gyrfalcon > C&C 29-2 > Kootenay Lake, BC > > > From: Randy Stafford > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:26 AM > To: cnc-list > Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > I’ve had mixed experience with Rule pumps in three years on Grenadine. She > came with an old Rule-Mate 1100 that still works as intended. Before the > 2017 season I added a second Rule-Mate 1100 under the mast step, and it came > from the store with an inoperative internal water sensor, so automatic mode > was useless, and reversed internal wiring or impeller so that it just churned > the bilge water instead of pumping it out the discharge hose. And yes, I’m > certain I wired it correctly - this past offseason I unstepped the mast and > put in a replacement new Rule Mate 1100 which works as intended on the exact > same wiring - which I’d completely replaced before the 2017 season with > right-sized / oversized wire. There are a lot of negative reviews of these > Rule-Mate pumps on westmarine.com (one of them mine, the most-liked negative > review there). > > On a related topic, when I overhauled the bilge plumbing before the 2017 > season, I chose not to install check valves in the discharge hoses because I > was pretty influenced by http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm. I wrote > a long post to the list about my thought process - > http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html. > Turns out I drained my batteries twice last season from a cycling bilge pump, > because I didn’t manually pump the bilge often enough. And that sucked - I > had to pull the batteries out, bring them home, put them on a charger, take > them back and put them in, etc. Fortunately I didn’t kill the battery life > with those mistakes - they’ve been working fine. Pain is a great teacher, so > this past offseason I relaxed my principles and installed Whale Gusher check > valves in the discharge hoses. > > Now I’m worried that the little rubber joker valves inside those check valves > will fail and lead to pump cycling again. The big rubber joker valve in my > Jabsco head only lasts about a year, I’ve found, after which it leaks and > allows backflow. > > Cheers, > Randy Stafford > S/V Grenadine > C&C 30-1 #7 > Ken Caryl, CO > >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
After reading your post I decided to forgo check valves on both primary and secondary bilge pumps and had the same experience with recycling bilge water. Installed Whale Gusher check valves this spring and they both leak. It takes about 30 minutes for leakage to top the electronic float and cycle up pump. Anyone have recommendations for alternatives? Not a lot of reviews of check valves or non return valves. Bruce S/V Gyrfalcon C&C 29-2 Kootenay Lake, BC From: Randy Stafford Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:26 AM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... I’ve had mixed experience with Rule pumps in three years on Grenadine. She came with an old Rule-Mate 1100 that still works as intended. Before the 2017 season I added a second Rule-Mate 1100 under the mast step, and it came from the store with an inoperative internal water sensor, so automatic mode was useless, and reversed internal wiring or impeller so that it just churned the bilge water instead of pumping it out the discharge hose. And yes, I’m certain I wired it correctly - this past offseason I unstepped the mast and put in a replacement new Rule Mate 1100 which works as intended on the exact same wiring - which I’d completely replaced before the 2017 season with right-sized / oversized wire. There are a lot of negative reviews of these Rule-Mate pumps on westmarine.com<http://westmarine.com> (one of them mine, the most-liked negative review there). On a related topic, when I overhauled the bilge plumbing before the 2017 season, I chose not to install check valves in the discharge hoses because I was pretty influenced by http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm. I wrote a long post to the list about my thought process - http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html. Turns out I drained my batteries twice last season from a cycling bilge pump, because I didn’t manually pump the bilge often enough. And that sucked - I had to pull the batteries out, bring them home, put them on a charger, take them back and put them in, etc. Fortunately I didn’t kill the battery life with those mistakes - they’ve been working fine. Pain is a great teacher, so this past offseason I relaxed my principles and installed Whale Gusher check valves in the discharge hoses. Now I’m worried that the little rubber joker valves inside those check valves will fail and lead to pump cycling again. The big rubber joker valve in my Jabsco head only lasts about a year, I’ve found, after which it leaks and allows backflow. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
First, go to: http://circuitwizard.bluesea.com/ Download the app and use it to calculate for your particular configuration. Remember that the length is total length, i.e. there and back. So measure the lengths of both the positive wire and the negative as the total. Let's say 12 volts, 40 feet total, 3% drop, duplex cable (2 wires in the sheath), fused, not in engine room and a 90 degree C rating on the cable. For a Rule 1500 at 5 amps, 20 minute duration, the wizard yields 12 AWG wire. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:44 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: > So what size wire would not cause a voltage drop... > > Get Outlook for Android > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:35:39 AM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a > guess on my part. > > Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ > years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 > years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others > have seen. > > On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float > switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. > > https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ > > My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi Dennis >> Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... >> What's the model number of the system you've installed? >> Thanks >> Ron C. >> >> >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Application >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: capt...@gmail.com >> Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... >> >> Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too >> small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can >> result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to >> premature failure. >> >> I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on >> Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. >> To my knowledge, they are all still working. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was >>> replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a >>> year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float >>> switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems >>> and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much >>> better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several >>> years at least. >>> >>> I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the >>> minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink >>> connectors too. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Bob Boyer >>> s/v Rainy Days >>> C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) >>> (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) >>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com >>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com >>> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently >>> and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do >>> something different with my setup, thanks >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and >>> secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. >>> >>> Any brand suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Get Outlook for Android >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I’ve had mixed experience with Rule pumps in three years on Grenadine. She came with an old Rule-Mate 1100 that still works as intended. Before the 2017 season I added a second Rule-Mate 1100 under the mast step, and it came from the store with an inoperative internal water sensor, so automatic mode was useless, and reversed internal wiring or impeller so that it just churned the bilge water instead of pumping it out the discharge hose. And yes, I’m certain I wired it correctly - this past offseason I unstepped the mast and put in a replacement new Rule Mate 1100 which works as intended on the exact same wiring - which I’d completely replaced before the 2017 season with right-sized / oversized wire. There are a lot of negative reviews of these Rule-Mate pumps on westmarine.com <http://westmarine.com/> (one of them mine, the most-liked negative review there). On a related topic, when I overhauled the bilge plumbing before the 2017 season, I chose not to install check valves in the discharge hoses because I was pretty influenced by http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm <http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bilge_pumps.htm>. I wrote a long post to the list about my thought process - http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/2017-March/091421.html>. Turns out I drained my batteries twice last season from a cycling bilge pump, because I didn’t manually pump the bilge often enough. And that sucked - I had to pull the batteries out, bring them home, put them on a charger, take them back and put them in, etc. Fortunately I didn’t kill the battery life with those mistakes - they’ve been working fine. Pain is a great teacher, so this past offseason I relaxed my principles and installed Whale Gusher check valves in the discharge hoses. Now I’m worried that the little rubber joker valves inside those check valves will fail and lead to pump cycling again. The big rubber joker valve in my Jabsco head only lasts about a year, I’ve found, after which it leaks and allows backflow. Cheers, Randy Stafford S/V Grenadine C&C 30-1 #7 Ken Caryl, CO > On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > wrote: > > I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a > guess on my part. > > Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I > use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not > seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. > > On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch > if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. > > https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ > <https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ> > > My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Hi Dennis > Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... > What's the model number of the system you've installed? > Thanks > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Application > > > -Original Message- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: capt...@gmail.com <mailto:capt...@gmail.com> > Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too > small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result > in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. > > I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' > (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my > knowledge, they are all still working. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing > RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I > never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I > recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. > It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE > float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. > > I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum >
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I would say yes. I have discovered that electrical products typically have too small of a gauge wire doing into the units. Feel the cord of a shopVac after you have run it for 20 minutes! - the delivery system is the problem . As long as you can get the proper voltage and Amps to the item, a little overheating in 10 inches is usually not a problem - How much more does it cost to run say, 14 Ga vs. 16 Ga to the Panel? Not much. The longer the run with undersized wire, the lower the volts get, which makes the Amperage rise, which raises the heat - also in the motor. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 10:37 AM To: CNC CNC Cc: David Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Let me rephrase that question...i am using the same wire size the switch and pump are using. Still bigger? Get Outlook for Android _ From: David Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:44:50 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... So what size wire would not cause a voltage drop... Get Outlook for Android _ From: CnC-List on behalf of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:35:39 AM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a guess on my part. Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List wrote: Hi Dennis Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... What's the model number of the system you've installed? Thanks Ron C. Sent from XFINITY Connect Application -Original Message- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: capt...@gmail.com Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: I'll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year-sometimes they didn't even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn't been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I'm sure it will last several years at least. I've also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting th
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I third the Ultra Pumpswitch – Just discovered them myself. At first I couldn’t figure it out, a lot of extra wires, which can be used for high water alarm, either with that switch or a separate switch. I was not impressed, until I took it out and cleaned it up. Really well made, a quality USA Made product. I also have the Water Witch, and like that a lot as well – Biggest problem is filthy bilges. Keep plenty of absorbent mat around, and keep your bilge DRY. Another reason I am on a mission to keep water out of my mast. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:28 PM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote: I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
It makes sense that an undersized wire may explain the high failure rate.I have seen similar issue regarding premature windlass motor failures where undersized wiring was installed. Johanna Rose came with a Tsunami T-500 and simple Rule-a-matic float switch. I felt a little uncomfortable relying on a $30 float switch and a $15 pump, so I added a Rule 1500 bilge pump as a backup. But that said, the little old T-500 pump and float switch have yet to fail. I am glad to see discussions on the automatic switches. I have been considering the Water Witch switch based on a Practical Sailor comparison test. The Ultra Mini looks interesting but also costly. - Paul E. 1981 C&C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Jul 25, 2018, at 8:36 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:35:39 -0500 > From: "Dennis C." mailto:capt...@gmail.com>> > To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > Message-ID: ><mailto:CANir+yuC0j3djgtP7oE3EOc8tMW0nuM+UShwzGg3Mz=1awj...@mail.gmail.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a > guess on my part. > > Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. > I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have > not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. > > On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch > if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. > > https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ > <https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ> > > My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. > > Dennis C. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
You can do the calculation here: http://circuitwizard.bluesea.com/. Remember, a 5 foot wire is a 10 foot circuit. Joel <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List wrote: > Let me rephrase that question...i am using the same wire size the switch > and pump are using. Still bigger? > > Get Outlook for Android > > -- > *From:* David > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:44:50 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > So what size wire would not cause a voltage drop... > > Get Outlook for Android > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Dennis C. > via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:35:39 AM > *To:* CnClist > *Cc:* Dennis C. > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a > guess on my part. > > Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ > years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 > years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others > have seen. > > On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float > switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. > > https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ > > My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hi Dennis >> Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... >> What's the model number of the system you've installed? >> Thanks >> Ron C. >> >> >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Application >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: capt...@gmail.com >> Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM >> Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... >> >> Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too >> small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can >> result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to >> premature failure. >> >> I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on >> Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. >> To my knowledge, they are all still working. >> >> Dennis C. >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> Mandeville, LA >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was >>> replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a >>> year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float >>> switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems >>> and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much >>> better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several >>> years at least. >>> >>> I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the >>> minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink >>> connectors too. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Bob Boyer >>> s/v Rainy Days >>> C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) >>> (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) >>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com >>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com >>> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently >>> and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do >>> something different with my setup, thanks >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> >>> Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and >>> secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. >>> >>>
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
Let me rephrase that question...i am using the same wire size the switch and pump are using. Still bigger? Get Outlook for Android From: David Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:44:50 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... So what size wire would not cause a voltage drop... Get Outlook for Android From: CnC-List on behalf of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:35:39 AM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a guess on my part. Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Dennis Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... What's the model number of the system you've installed? Thanks Ron C. Sent from XFINITY Connect Application -Original Message- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: capt...@gmail.com<mailto:capt...@gmail.com> Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
So what size wire would not cause a voltage drop... Get Outlook for Android From: CnC-List on behalf of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:35:39 AM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a guess on my part. Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Dennis Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... What's the model number of the system you've installed? Thanks Ron C. Sent from XFINITY Connect Application -Original Message- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: capt...@gmail.com<mailto:capt...@gmail.com> Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I was referring to premature failure of pumps due to low voltage. Just a guess on my part. Touche' has a Rule 1500 gph bilge pump that has worked well for 15+ years. I use a Rule 35 float switch which has had one failure in 20 years. I have not seen the high failure rate for rule pumps that others have seen. On my list is to replace the Rule float switch with a USS mini float switch if it will fit. The bilge on a 35-1 is fairly shallow. https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Safety-Systems-Switch-UPS-06-12/dp/B00CGJS4PQ My opinion is the USS mini switch is very reliable. Dennis C. On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:53 PM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Dennis > Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... > What's the model number of the system you've installed? > Thanks > Ron C. > > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Application > > > -Original Message- > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: capt...@gmail.com > Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... > > Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too > small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can > result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to > premature failure. > > I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' > (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my > knowledge, they are all still working. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was >> replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a >> year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float >> switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems >> and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much >> better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several >> years at least. >> >> I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the >> minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink >> connectors too. >> >> Bob >> >> Bob Boyer >> s/v Rainy Days >> C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) >> (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) >> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com >> email: dainyr...@icloud.com >> >> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and >> what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something >> different with my setup, thanks >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and >> secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. >> >> Any brand suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Get Outlook for Android >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> >> > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
On Persistence we have a Par 36680-2000 diaphram pump for the bilge with a water witch switch in the bilge. The pump was already installed when we purchased Persistence in 2014 so I have no idea of its age. The pump has given us zero problems. The only downside is that it is 330GPH and quite pricey Mike Persistence Halifax, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of rjcasciato--- via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Hi Dennis Are you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch... What's the model number of the system you've installed? Thanks Ron C. Sent from XFINITY Connect Application -Original Message- From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: capt...@gmail.com Sent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
Hi DennisAre you referring to a bilge pump or the bilge pump high water switch...What's the model number of the system you've installed?ThanksRon C.Sent from XFINITY Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: capt...@gmail.comSent: 2018-07-24 10:30:37 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure.I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working.Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least.I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too.BobBob Boyers/v Rainy DaysC&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)(Presently in Baltimore for the summer)blog: dainyrays.blogspot.comemail: dainyr...@icloud.comOn Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
Bob alludes to a critical but often overlooked issue. Wiring that is too small to carry the amperage of a user, in this case, a bilge pump, can result in excessive voltage drop. Low voltage could contribute to premature failure. I second the Ultra Safety Systems bilge pump. I don't have one on Touche' (yet) but my buddy and I installed a bunch of them over the years. To my knowledge, they are all still working. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was > replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a > year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float > switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems > and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much > better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several > years at least. > > I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the > minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink > connectors too. > > Bob > > Bob Boyer > s/v Rainy Days > C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) > (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) > blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com > email: dainyr...@icloud.com > > On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List > wrote: > > David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and > what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something > different with my setup, thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List > wrote: > > Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and > secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. > > Any brand suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Get Outlook for Android > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
Rule self contained 1000 primary. Rule 2000 secondary (higher float switch with alarm). Want reliability and capacity. Get Outlook for Android From: CnC-List on behalf of Robert Boyer via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:26:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robert Boyer Subject: Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps... I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com<http://dainyrays.blogspot.com> email: dainyr...@icloud.com<mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
I’ll add a little bit to this discussion...up until this year I was replacing RULE Super Switches every year—sometimes they didn’t even last a year. I never had a problem with my RULE 1500 bilge pump, just the float switches. I recently changed over to a float switch made by ULTRA systems and I love it. It hasn’t been a year yet but it is manufactured so much better than the RULE float switches that I’m sure it will last several years at least. I’ve also replaced my bilge pump wiring and went up one size from the minimum needed to do the job. All connections are done with heat shrink connectors too. Bob Bob Boyer s/v Rainy Days C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230) (Presently in Baltimore for the summer) blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com email: dainyr...@icloud.com > On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Richard via CnC-List > wrote: > > David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and > what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something > different with my setup, thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and >> secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. >> >> Any brand suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Get Outlook for Android >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
David, can you provide a few more details? What do you have currently and what quit working? I have bilge pump issues myself and need to do something different with my setup, thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2018, at 6:36 PM, David via CnC-List wrote: > > Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and > secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. > > Any brand suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Get Outlook for Android > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List I am so done with bilge pumps...
Every friggin year more BS. So changing out primary to diaghram and secondary (3000+ gph) to a higher quality (not Rule) pump recirculating. Any brand suggestions? Thanks in advance. Get Outlook for Android ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
