Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

The 7 inch Zeus and the 7 inch Vulcan are the same price at Defender. 

Are they different in any significant way?

Steve Thomas
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
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  Cc: Joel Aronson 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 13:06
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question


  That's the retail price.  By spring the price will come down.  It will also 
force Garmin and Ray to cut their prices.


  They must know they are competing with tablets - especially if they read our 
threads!


  Joel


  On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Got excited about the B&G promotion since my Raymarine C80 is due for an 
upgrade. Unfortunately, It appears that the $599 is the already reduced price 
(from $799):



http://www.seawide.com/images/Sales_Bulletins_B&G_Vulcan_7_Simrad_Go7_Lowrance_Elite_CHIRP_Price_Reductions.pdf


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD





Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:13:19 +
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: djhaug...@juno.com



This looks like a really nice, inexpensive solution for a chart plotter!  I 
don't see the reduced pricing yet.  What about a radar solution?

Danny
Might get to bring the boat  home this weekend!

-- Original Message --
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
    Subject: Stus-List  Ipad Question
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:52:51 -0400

Hi Chuck, 

Yes it'll work fine with any instruments that can talk to a NMEA 2000 
network. 

Since you have the Tactick system that transmits NMEA 0183 you'll need this 
converter :  
http://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/actisense-ngw-1-nmea-0183-to-2000-gateway/1307655/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=1662583&country=us&gclid=CjwKEAjw4s2wBRDSnr2jwZenlkgSJABvFcwQTGaulDcBcVV4wiHa3zIgsZyuGuUAaftmvj4Cz__9BxoCiPjw_wcB

 or something similar. 

It's a heck of a deal to get genuine "designed for sailing" equipment for 
about the price (Or less) of the Apple toy.  And it connects to the internet 
for upgrades and future apps. (Runs on Linux) 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 




Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 02:17:35 + (UTC)
From: Chuck S 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
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Francois, 
Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components? 

Chuck 


- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
    Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question 

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 
the street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 00 
for the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard instruments 
integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can actually see in 
the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/


Regards 

-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

That's the retail price.  By spring the price will come down.  It will also
force Garmin and Ray to cut their prices.

They must know they are competing with tablets - especially if they read
our threads!

Joel

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Got excited about the B&G promotion since my Raymarine C80 is due for an
> upgrade. Unfortunately, It appears that the $599 is the already reduced
> price (from $799):
>
>
> http://www.seawide.com/images/Sales_Bulletins_B&G_Vulcan_7_Simrad_Go7_Lowrance_Elite_CHIRP_Price_Reductions.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> Aaron R.
> Admiral Maggie,
> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
> Annapolis, MD
>
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:13:19 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: djhaug...@juno.com
>
>
> This looks like a really nice, inexpensive solution for a chart plotter!
> I don't see the reduced pricing yet.  What about a radar solution?
>
> Danny
> Might get to bring the boat  home this weekend!
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
> Subject: Stus-List  Ipad Question
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:52:51 -0400
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Yes it'll work fine with any instruments that can talk to a NMEA 2000
> network.
>
> Since you have the Tactick system that transmits NMEA 0183 you'll need
> this converter :
> http://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/actisense-ngw-1-nmea-0183-to-2000-gateway/1307655/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=1662583&country=us&gclid=CjwKEAjw4s2wBRDSnr2jwZenlkgSJABvFcwQTGaulDcBcVV4wiHa3zIgsZyuGuUAaftmvj4Cz__9BxoCiPjw_wcB
>
>  or something similar.
>
> It's a heck of a deal to get genuine "designed for sailing" equipment for
> about the price (Or less) of the Apple toy.  And it connects to the
> internet for upgrades and future apps. (Runs on Linux)
>
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 02:17:35 + (UTC)
> From: Chuck S 
> To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
> Message-ID:
> <
> 1267067373.15514640.1444097855265.javamail.zim...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Francois,
> Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components?
>
> Chuck
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard" 
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question
>
> I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00
> the street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399.
> 00 for the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard
> instruments integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can
> actually see in the sun and operate with gloves, everything..
>
> Just sayin'
>
> http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/
>
>
> Regards
>
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
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Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

Got excited about the B&G promotion since my Raymarine C80 is due for an 
upgrade. Unfortunately, It appears that the $599 is the already reduced price 
(from $799):
http://www.seawide.com/images/Sales_Bulletins_B&G_Vulcan_7_Simrad_Go7_Lowrance_Elite_CHIRP_Price_Reductions.pdf
Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:13:19 +
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: djhaug...@juno.com

This looks like a really nice, inexpensive solution for a chart plotter!  I 
don't see the reduced pricing yet.  What about a radar solution?
 
Danny
Might get to bring the boat  home this weekend!

-- Original Message --
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List  Ipad Question
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:52:51 -0400

Hi Chuck, 

Yes it'll work fine with any instruments that can talk to a NMEA 2000 network. 

Since you have the Tactick system that transmits NMEA 0183 you'll need this 
converter :  
http://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/actisense-ngw-1-nmea-0183-to-2000-gateway/1307655/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=1662583&country=us&gclid=CjwKEAjw4s2wBRDSnr2jwZenlkgSJABvFcwQTGaulDcBcVV4wiHa3zIgsZyuGuUAaftmvj4Cz__9BxoCiPjw_wcB

 or something similar. 

It's a heck of a deal to get genuine "designed for sailing" equipment for about 
the price (Or less) of the Apple toy.  And it connects to the internet for 
upgrades and future apps. (Runs on Linux) 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 




Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 02:17:35 + (UTC)
From: Chuck S 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
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 <1267067373.15514640.1444097855265.javamail.zim...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Francois, 
Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components? 

Chuck 


- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question 

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 the 
street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 00 for 
the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard instruments 
integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can actually see in 
the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/


Regards 

-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Yes.
I have a dedicated GPS that is slower to pick up signals than my "cellular
enabled" iPad. I use the iPad SOLELY for navigation on the boat and have
never had a problem. Cellular service is turned off. It has a dedicated
GPS. It's really not "silly". I use it below decks too for anchor watch.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK - This is getting silly.   Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and
> antenna in a cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated handheld
> GPS and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will not without some sort
> of assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from the satellite to
> the receiver, they must be sent on a carrier frequency. In the original GPS
> design, two frequencies were utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154)
> called L1; and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called L2.  The
> satellite output is about 25 watts.  These signals are quite weak when they
> reach earth and will not penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car
> and may be attenuated by the fiberglass roof on your boat to the point
> where they may not be readable by an Iphone or Ipad.   That's why your
> handheld GPS will not work in your basement.   The only reason the Ipad or
> Iphone will work is that it is assisted.   Even it you don't have a
> cellular connection you probably have wifi in your house that is being used
> for the assist.  A typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data
> connection (Internet, cellular or other) to contact the assistance server
> for aGPS information. If it also has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use
> standalone GPS which does not depend on the wifi or cellular network but
> then must depend entirely on the GPS signal from the satellite and
> therefore will not work if that signal is not strong enough.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS#cite_note-cnet-3> Some A-GPS
> devices do not have the option of falling back to standalone or autonomous
> GPS.  Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other location services
> including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a hybrid
> positioning system.  Accurate location requires a fix on at least 3
> satellites, and these signals do not penetrate buildings (even the roof
> of a car can attenuate the GPS signal to where it is not useful). So, if
> you are not in view of 3 satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based
> on 2 satellites plus cell tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view
> of at least 2 satellites, the iPhone uses internet WiFi  or cell-tower
> triangulation, which is not very accurate.  Jerry
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Rick Brass 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2015 3:38 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
> I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a
> built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS
> function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never
> had a problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal
> roof. I can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on
> the boat as backups for the ditch bag.
>
> I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one
> because of a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and
> Bermuda region is included as part of North America so there was no cost.)
> Skipper uses NOAA charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts
> that have been downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on
> while connected to WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my
> charts were more up to date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter.
> Plus I run the Active Captain Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings
> about hazards to navigation that are within a specified angle and distance
> from the boat’s heading. One of the Raymarine plotters on a boat offered
> this feature, but the charts were out of date. The tablet was more accurate.
>
> If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware
> of a couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS
> information is included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the
> capability of being hacked.
>
> I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers are making instruments and
> radios that can be connected to tablets and phones by using Bluetooth. Why
> not just use the Bluetooth connection instead of building a WiFi network on
> the boat?
>
> My IPad was a gift, so it cost me nothing. I agree with Dennis. A
> WATERPROOF and shock 

Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

This looks like a really nice, inexpensive solution for a chart plotter!  I 
don't see the reduced pricing yet.  What about a radar solution? DannyMight get 
to bring the boat  home this weekend!

-- Original Message --
From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List  Ipad Question
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:52:51 -0400

Hi Chuck, 

Yes it'll work fine with any instruments that can talk to a NMEA 2000 network. 

Since you have the Tactick system that transmits NMEA 0183 you'll need this 
converter :  
http://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/actisense-ngw-1-nmea-0183-to-2000-gateway/1307655/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=1662583&country=us&gclid=CjwKEAjw4s2wBRDSnr2jwZenlkgSJABvFcwQTGaulDcBcVV4wiHa3zIgsZyuGuUAaftmvj4Cz__9BxoCiPjw_wcB

 or something similar. 

It's a heck of a deal to get genuine "designed for sailing" equipment for about 
the price (Or less) of the Apple toy.  And it connects to the internet for 
upgrades and future apps. (Runs on Linux) 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 




Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 02:17:35 + (UTC)
From: Chuck S 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Francois, 
Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components? 

Chuck 


- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question 

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 the 
street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 00 for 
the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard instruments 
integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can actually see in 
the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/


Regards 

-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Ipad Question

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Chuck, 

Yes it'll work fine with any instruments that can talk to a NMEA 2000 
network. 

Since you have the Tactick system that transmits NMEA 0183 you'll need 
this converter :  
http://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/actisense-ngw-1-nmea-0183-to-2000-gateway/1307655/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=1662583&country=us&gclid=CjwKEAjw4s2wBRDSnr2jwZenlkgSJABvFcwQTGaulDcBcVV4wiHa3zIgsZyuGuUAaftmvj4Cz__9BxoCiPjw_wcB

 or something similar. 

It's a heck of a deal to get genuine "designed for sailing" equipment for 
about the price (Or less) of the Apple toy.  And it connects to the 
internet for upgrades and future apps. (Runs on Linux) 

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 




Message: 3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 02:17:35 + (UTC)
From: Chuck S 
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ipad Question
Message-ID:
 <1267067373.15514640.1444097855265.javamail.zim...@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Francois, 
Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components? 

Chuck 


- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question 

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 
the street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 
00 for the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard 
instruments integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can 
actually see in the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/ 


Regards 

-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Francois, 
Would the B&G Vulcan IPad work with non B&G components? 

Chuck 


- Original Message -

From: "Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Jean-Francois J Rivard"  
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 10:25:38 AM 
Subject: Stus-List Ipad Question 

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 the 
street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 00 for 
the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard instruments 
integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can actually see in 
the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/ 


Regards 

-Francois 
1990 34+ "Take Five" 
Lake Lanier, GA 

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Re: Stus-List Ipad Question

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I agree with everything Francois says, BUT- I am not particularly happy with my 
Zeus t8.  They have ceased to release upgrades for it and now you have to have 
a Zeus2 to use new features.  Also, mine repeatedly has touchscreen problems 
when I first turn it on.  It either acts like it is getting lots of input when 
it is not being touched or (a new problem yesterday) would not accept any touch 
input at all.  After a while it seems to work fine, so I have no idea what is 
going on.  I don’t believe they will be able to fix it under warranty because 
the problem is so intermittent.  Dave

Dr. David Knecht
Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology
Core Microscopy Facility Director
University of Connecticut   
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 
> the street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 00 
> for the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard instruments 
> integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can actually see 
> in the sun and operate with gloves, everything..  
> 
> Just sayin' 
> 
> http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/ 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> -Francois
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Ipad Question

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I just got an email from B&G saying they are dropping the price by $200.00 
the street price was $599.00 that would take it down somewhere near $399. 
00 for the real thing complete with sailsteer, laylines, onboard 
instruments integration, tough fully bonded waterproof touchscreen you can 
actually see in the sun and operate with gloves, everything.. 

Just sayin' 

http://www.bandg.com/en-US/Product-Groups/Vulcan-7/


Regards

-Francois
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

With due respect to all who contributed to this discussion, please note that 
"how many angels can dance on a pinhead?" has been answered a long time ago.  
Making ANY claims, pro/con, is not useful without a full disclosure of the 
context.

The GPS signal strength is well known and relatively constant at sea level.  
C/No: ~ 37 to 45dB-Hz.

What is different for every receiver/installation are the antenna gain and 
noise, front end noise temperature and filter bandwidth, the quantization 
schemes, the quality of signal processing, and so on.  So, please do not try to 
compare apples to tomatoes.  (Both are fruits, but)

I have a little knowledge of GPS, enough to make smart ass comments.  But I 
also been the telecommunication engineer on Topex that measured the sea level 
to centimeter accuracy using GPS.  That should be better then sleeping at a 
particular hotel.

Leslie
retired JPL engineer.


On Sat, 10/3/15, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Tim Goodyear" 
 Date: Saturday, October 3, 2015, 4:28 PM
 
 Jerome,
 practical experience from several sources is very different
 to what you suggest.  It works.
 Tim
 
 On Oct 3,
 2015, at 6:11 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 OK - This is getting silly.  
 Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and antenna in a
 cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated
 handheld GPS and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will
 not without some sort of assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from 
the
 satellite to the receiver, they must be sent on a carrier
 frequency. In the original GPS design, two frequencies were
 utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154) called L1;
 and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called
 L2.  The satellite output is about 25 watts.  These
 signals are quite weak when they reach earth and will not
 penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car and may
 be attenuated by the fiberglass roof on your boat to the
 point where they may not be readable by an Iphone or
 Ipad.   That's why your handheld GPS will not work in
 your basement.   The only reason the Ipad or Iphone will
 work is that it is assisted.   Even it you don't have
 a cellular connection you probably have wifi in your house
 that is being used for the assist.  A typical
 A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection
 (Internet, cellular
  or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS
 information. If it 
 also has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone
 GPS which does not depend on the wifi or
 cellular network but then must depend
 entirely on the GPS signal from the satellite and therefore
 will not work if that signal is not strong
 enough.
 Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back to
 standalone or autonomous GPS.  Many
 mobile phones combine A-GPS and other location services
 including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a
 hybrid positioning system.  Accurate
 location requires a fix on at least 3
  satellites, and these signals do not
 penetrate buildings (even the roof 
 of a car can attenuate the GPS
 signal to where it is not useful). So,
 if you are not in view of 3 
 satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based on 2
 satellites plus 
 cell tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view
 of at least 2 
 satellites, the iPhone uses internet
 WiFi  or cell-tower triangulation, which is 
 not very accurate.  Jerry
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I just installed a GX2200 VHF with GPS, belowdeck, works perfectly.  As Fred 
mentioned,  the receivers on these are not your father's receivers.  OK, maybe 
l'm paraphrasing a little .One fellow on cruising forum  said he had one 
functioning in a pilot house of aluminum. But my note 4 still requires me to 
hold it to a window to find itself at home or in the shop. 

Bill Coleman 

 Original message 
From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List  
Date: 10/03/2015  7:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Tim Goodyear  
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question... 

Jerome, practical experience from several sources is very different to what you 
suggest.  It works.

Tim


> On Oct 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK - This is getting silly.   Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and 
> antenna in a cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated handheld 
> GPS and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will not without some sort of 
> assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from the satellite to the 
> receiver, they must be sent on a carrier frequency. In the original GPS 
> design, two frequencies were utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154) 
> called L1; and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called L2.  The 
> satellite output is about 25 watts.  These signals are quite weak when they 
> reach earth and will not penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car 
> and may be attenuated by the fiberglass roof on your boat to the point where 
> they may not be readable by an Iphone or Ipad.   That's why your handheld GPS 
> will not work in your basement.   The only reason the Ipad or Iphone will 
> work is that it is assisted.   Even it you don't have a cellular connection 
> you probably have wifi in your house that is being used for the assist.  A 
> typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet, cellular 
> or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also 
> has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS which does not 
> depend on the wifi or cellular network but then must depend entirely on the 
> GPS signal from the satellite and therefore will not work if that signal is 
> not strong enough. Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back 
> to standalone or autonomous GPS.  Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other 
> location services including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a 
> hybrid positioning system.  Accurate location requires a fix on at least 3 
> satellites, and these signals do not penetrate buildings (even the roof of a 
> car can attenuate the GPS signal to where it is not useful). So, if you are 
> not in view of 3 satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based on 2 
> satellites plus cell tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view of at 
> least 2 satellites, the iPhone uses internet WiFi  or cell-tower 
> triangulation, which is not very accurate.  Jerry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Rick Brass 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2015 3:38 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> 
> I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a 
> built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS 
> function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never had 
> a problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal roof. I 
> can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on the boat 
> as backups for the ditch bag.
>  
> I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one because 
> of a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and Bermuda 
> region is included as part of North America so there was no cost.) Skipper 
> uses NOAA charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts that have 
> been downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on while connected 
> to WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my charts were more 
> up to date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter. Plus I run the Active 
> Captain Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings about hazards to 
> navigation that are within a specified angle and distance from the boat’s 
> heading. One of the Raymarine plotters on a boat offered this feature, but 
> the charts were out of date. The tablet was more accurate.
>  
> If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware of a 
> couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS information is 
> included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the capability of being 
> hacked.
>  
> I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers ar

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Jerome, practical experience from several sources is very different to what you 
suggest.  It works.

Tim


> On Oct 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK - This is getting silly.   Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and 
> antenna in a cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated handheld 
> GPS and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will not without some sort of 
> assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from the satellite to the 
> receiver, they must be sent on a carrier frequency. In the original GPS 
> design, two frequencies were utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154) 
> called L1; and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called L2.  The 
> satellite output is about 25 watts.  These signals are quite weak when they 
> reach earth and will not penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car 
> and may be attenuated by the fiberglass roof on your boat to the point where 
> they may not be readable by an Iphone or Ipad.   That's why your handheld GPS 
> will not work in your basement.   The only reason the Ipad or Iphone will 
> work is that it is assisted.   Even it you don't have a cellular connection 
> you probably have wifi in your house that is being used for the assist.  A 
> typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet, cellular 
> or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also 
> has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS which does not 
> depend on the wifi or cellular network but then must depend entirely on the 
> GPS signal from the satellite and therefore will not work if that signal is 
> not strong enough. Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back 
> to standalone or autonomous GPS.  Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other 
> location services including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a 
> hybrid positioning system.  Accurate location requires a fix on at least 3 
> satellites, and these signals do not penetrate buildings (even the roof of a 
> car can attenuate the GPS signal to where it is not useful). So, if you are 
> not in view of 3 satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based on 2 
> satellites plus cell tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view of at 
> least 2 satellites, the iPhone uses internet WiFi  or cell-tower 
> triangulation, which is not very accurate.  Jerry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Rick Brass 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2015 3:38 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> 
> I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a 
> built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS 
> function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never had 
> a problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal roof. I 
> can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on the boat 
> as backups for the ditch bag.
>  
> I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one because 
> of a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and Bermuda 
> region is included as part of North America so there was no cost.) Skipper 
> uses NOAA charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts that have 
> been downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on while connected 
> to WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my charts were more 
> up to date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter. Plus I run the Active 
> Captain Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings about hazards to 
> navigation that are within a specified angle and distance from the boat’s 
> heading. One of the Raymarine plotters on a boat offered this feature, but 
> the charts were out of date. The tablet was more accurate.
>  
> If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware of a 
> couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS information is 
> included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the capability of being 
> hacked.
>  
> I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers are making instruments and 
> radios that can be connected to tablets and phones by using Bluetooth. Why 
> not just use the Bluetooth connection instead of building a WiFi network on 
> the boat?
>  
> My IPad was a gift, so it cost me nothing. I agree with Dennis. A WATERPROOF 
> and shock resistant Galaxy tablet is a bit more than $250, but still less 
> than half the cost of an IPad. Plus the software is generally less expensive. 
> I have more invested in the Otter Box and LifePruf cases for my IPad than a 
> galaxy tablet would have cost me.
>  
> But 

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Well, I've used my iPad nav apps for a pair of transatlantic trips and 
a trip from Acapulco to Florida via the Old Bahama Channel, 
not to mention quite a few between Canada and New England and the Caribbean, 
and I have found the GPS to be very accurate...even when I'm below and take it 
out to check SOG and COG. I have not found the dedicated units to be any better 
when I've had them side by side at the nav station.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Oct 3, 2015, at 18:11, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> OK - This is getting silly.   Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and 
> antenna in a cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated handheld 
> GPS and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will not without some sort of 
> assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from the satellite to the 
> receiver, they must be sent on a carrier frequency. In the original GPS 
> design, two frequencies were utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154) 
> called L1; and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called L2.  The 
> satellite output is about 25 watts.  These signals are quite weak when they 
> reach earth and will not penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car 
> and may be attenuated by the fiberglass roof on your boat to the point where 
> they may not be readable by an Iphone or Ipad.   That's why your handheld GPS 
> will not work in your basement.   The only reason the Ipad or Iphone will 
> work is that it is assisted.   Even it you don't have a cellular connection 
> you probably have wifi in your house that is being used for the assist.  A 
> typical A-GPS-enabled receiver will use a data connection (Internet, cellular 
> or other) to contact the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also 
> has functioning autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS which does not 
> depend on the wifi or cellular network but then must depend entirely on the 
> GPS signal from the satellite and therefore will not work if that signal is 
> not strong enough. Some A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back 
> to standalone or autonomous GPS.  Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other 
> location services including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a 
> hybrid positioning system.  Accurate location requires a fix on at least 3 
> satellites, and these signals do not penetrate buildings (even the roof of a 
> car can attenuate the GPS signal to where it is not useful). So, if you are 
> not in view of 3 satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based on 2 
> satellites plus cell tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view of at 
> least 2 satellites, the iPhone uses internet WiFi  or cell-tower 
> triangulation, which is not very accurate.  Jerry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Rick Brass 
> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2015 3:38 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> 
> I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a 
> built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS 
> function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never had 
> a problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal roof. I 
> can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on the boat 
> as backups for the ditch bag.
>  
> I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one because 
> of a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and Bermuda 
> region is included as part of North America so there was no cost.) Skipper 
> uses NOAA charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts that have 
> been downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on while connected 
> to WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my charts were more 
> up to date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter. Plus I run the Active 
> Captain Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings about hazards to 
> navigation that are within a specified angle and distance from the boat’s 
> heading. One of the Raymarine plotters on a boat offered this feature, but 
> the charts were out of date. The tablet was more accurate.
>  
> If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware of a 
> couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS information is 
> included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the capability of being 
> hacked.
>  
> I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers are making instruments and 
> radios that can be connected to tablets and phones by using Bluetooth. Why 
>

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

OK - This is getting silly.   Do you really believe the tiny GPS chip and 
antenna in a cell phone or Ipad is going to outperform a dedicated handheld GPS 
and pick up signals where the handheld GPS will not without some sort of 
assistance.  For a navigation message to travel from the satellite to the 
receiver, they must be sent on a carrier frequency. In the original GPS design, 
two frequencies were utilized; one at 1575.42 MHz(10.23 MHz × 154) called L1; 
and a second at 1227.60 MHz (10.23 MHz × 120), called L2.  The satellite output 
is about 25 watts.  These signals are quite weak when they reach earth and will 
not penetrate the metal roof on your house or your car and may be attenuated by 
the fiberglass roof on your boat to the point where they may not be readable by 
an Iphone or Ipad.   That's why your handheld GPS will not work in your 
basement.   The only reason the Ipad or Iphone will work is that it is 
assisted.   Even it you don't have a cellular connection you probably have wifi 
in your house that is being used for the assist.  A typical A-GPS-enabled 
receiver will use a data connection (Internet, cellular or other) to contact 
the assistance server for aGPS information. If it also has functioning 
autonomous GPS, it may use standalone GPS which does not depend on the wifi or 
cellular network but then must depend entirely on the GPS signal from the 
satellite and therefore will not work if that signal is not strong enough. Some 
A-GPS devices do not have the option of falling back to standalone or 
autonomous GPS.  Many mobile phones combine A-GPS and other location services 
including Wi-Fi Positioning System and cell and sometimes a hybrid positioning 
system.  Accurate location requires a fix on at least 3 satellites, and these 
signals do not penetrate buildings (even the roof of a car can attenuate the 
GPS signal to where it is not useful). So, if you are not in view of 3 
satellites, A-GPS can estimate your location based on 2 satellites plus cell 
tower data (less accurate). If you aren't in view of at least 2 satellites, the 
iPhone uses internet WiFi  or cell-tower triangulation, which is not very 
accurate.  Jerry
 

 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2015 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...



I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a 
built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS 
function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never had a 
problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal roof. I 
can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on the boat as 
backups for the ditch bag.
 
I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one because of 
a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and Bermuda region is 
included as part of North America so there was no cost.) Skipper uses NOAA 
charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts that have been 
downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on while connected to 
WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my charts were more up to 
date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter. Plus I run the Active Captain 
Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings about hazards to navigation that 
are within a specified angle and distance from the boat’s heading. One of the 
Raymarine plotters on a boat offered this feature, but the charts were out of 
date. The tablet was more accurate.
 
If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware of a 
couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS information is 
included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the capability of being 
hacked. 
 
I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers are making instruments and 
radios that can be connected to tablets and phones by using Bluetooth. Why not 
just use the Bluetooth connection instead of building a WiFi network on the 
boat?
 
My IPad was a gift, so it cost me nothing. I agree with Dennis. A WATERPROOF 
and shock resistant Galaxy tablet is a bit more than $250, but still less than 
half the cost of an IPad. Plus the software is generally less expensive. I have 
more invested in the Otter Box and LifePruf cases for my IPad than a galaxy 
tablet would have cost me.
 
But the discussion started with David’s question about using an old IPad for a 
plotter. If the IPad had cellular capability (so it has a GPS) go for it. You 
will spend something up to $50 (and maybe less) on chart plotter software and 
charts, and most of the other navigation apps you will want like Active Captain 
and Drag Queen are free. If no built in GPS, put your music on the IPad and buy 
a Galaxy tablet with cellular capability.
 
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Taub

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

My IPad has worked between the east coast and Bermuda. GPS no problem. The real 
problem is keeping the battery charged.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 6:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work below 
deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the point.  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS works 
perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.



Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:

Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need cell 
service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation for 
position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if you are 
below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from the internet.


MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?


The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which uses 
cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular coverage 
is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition will be much 
quicker if you have data coverage. 

Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a signal. 
This is simply because it takes longer to determine which satellites to use out 
of the 31 available around the world. With data services, it typically takes 
under a minute, but it can take up to 5 minutes. 

 


How the iPhone knows where you are 


By Glenn Fleishman <http://www.macworld.com/author/Glenn-Fleishman/> , Macworld

iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
<http://www.macworld.com/article/159501/2011/04/apple_location_data_response.html>
  might almost seem baffling:

Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I am?

Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In simplifying 
matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all works and what 
it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the 
equation.


12.5 minutes to locate


Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; later 
locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a GPS receiver 
off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, a cold start 
might be required again.

GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time signals 
using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. They also 
broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called the almanac.

Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current location 
and some less precise location information for other GPS satellites. It takes 
25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain the full list of 
satellite locations. This information has to be decoded for a receiver to then 
properly interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.

If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate to 
within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone 
GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more 
than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.

But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
faster!


Giving GPS an assist


So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the wait, 
called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of position 
data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately enough to 
figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which point even more 
up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.

The current time can also

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Office Depot has a Lenovo 10" android tablet at a regular price of about
$115. The 7" is about $89. Look for a sale, Christmas is coming.

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 12:04 PM
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



  _  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS
and do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.

Thanks,

George

C&C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can
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anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
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receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J


 

 


 

 


 



 


 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The IPad needs to have cellular capability, which means it has an on board GPS. 
That does not mean that you need a cellular contract, nor that you need to even 
enable the cellular connection under the GENERAL section of the SETTINGS 
screen. Mine has always been turned off, yet the GPS works just fine. 

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:35 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

Joe,

 

That's right, but iPads need to be cellular enabled to get GPS info because 
they use the cellular antenna.  WiFi only does not do the job.

 

Joel

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My iPhone does not need cell service for the GPS to work.

Joe

Coquina

 

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<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Jerome Tauber


Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J 

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J


 

 


 

 


 



 


 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I have an IPad 3 which was a gift. It has cellular capability (so it has a 
built in GPS), but has never been connected to cellular service. The GPS 
function operates perfectly below decks and everywhere else. I have never had a 
problem receiving GPS data, even inside my house which has a metal roof. I 
can’t say the same for the handheld GPSs (multiple) that I carry on the boat as 
backups for the ditch bag.

 

I have SKIPPER on the IPad for a navigation app. (Selected that one because of 
a desire for Bermuda charts when I was loading the IPad, and Bermuda region is 
included as part of North America so there was no cost.) Skipper uses NOAA 
charts, and the app checks for NOAA updates to the charts that have been 
downloaded to the tablet each time the app is turned on while connected to 
WiFi. On the last two deliveries I made, I found that my charts were more up to 
date than the charts on the boat’s chartplotter. Plus I run the Active Captain 
Companion on the IPad, which gives warnings about hazards to navigation that 
are within a specified angle and distance from the boat’s heading. One of the 
Raymarine plotters on a boat offered this feature, but the charts were out of 
date. The tablet was more accurate.

 

If you are getting your AIS information off the net, you should be aware of a 
couple of things: The information is not current, not all AIS information is 
included, and the AIS repeaters on the Internet have the capability of being 
hacked. 

 

I seem to recall that a number of manufacturers are making instruments and 
radios that can be connected to tablets and phones by using Bluetooth. Why not 
just use the Bluetooth connection instead of building a WiFi network on the 
boat?

 

My IPad was a gift, so it cost me nothing. I agree with Dennis. A WATERPROOF 
and shock resistant Galaxy tablet is a bit more than $250, but still less than 
half the cost of an IPad. Plus the software is generally less expensive. I have 
more invested in the Otter Box and LifePruf cases for my IPad than a galaxy 
tablet would have cost me.

 

But the discussion started with David’s question about using an old IPad for a 
plotter. If the IPad had cellular capability (so it has a GPS) go for it. You 
will spend something up to $50 (and maybe less) on chart plotter software and 
charts, and most of the other navigation apps you will want like Active Captain 
and Drag Queen are free. If no built in GPS, put your music on the IPad and buy 
a Galaxy tablet with cellular capability.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J 

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J


 




 

 


 



 


 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Nobody "expects" the Spanish Inquisition!

For those out of this loop, here:
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Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 2 October 2015 at 18:39, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> No, no.  Monty Python's Flying Circus!  Geeze, I wasn't expecting the
> Spanish inquisition!
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 10:20 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:
>
> And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.
>
> On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>
> It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  During
> a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to be
> sleeping.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
>
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> 

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dave via CnC-List]

I have two iPads, one with gps, the other I use with a garmin GLO external 
Bluetooth GPS antenna.  Both work fine, even below decks.   The GLO needs to be 
restarted on occasion, the other is reliable even when out of cell range.   We 
sail on Lake Ontario, so when you really need GPS, like entering a harbour, or 
near shore you are within cell range.
If I were to do  it again, I'd get an android or windows tablet -cheaper, and 
can connect to an nmea2000 network or anything else via usb.  Intent is to use 
tablet via wifi as integrated nmea2000 chartplotter.

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[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

The cell tower signal is just an aid in getting the first fix.  After that the 
GPS part of the chip takes over.  I was likewise getting position / speed data 
on inavx on my iPhone while "off watch" on the Annapolis to Newport race this 
year.

Tim

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work below 
> deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the point.  
> Jerry
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jerome
>> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS works 
>> perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C&C 35-III #11
>>> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>>> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need 
>>> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation 
>>> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if 
>>> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from 
>>> the internet.
>>> MotionX-GPS
>>> 
>>> Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
>>> 
>>> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which 
>>> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular 
>>> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition 
>>> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
>>> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
>>> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
>>> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data 
>>> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 
>>> minutes. 
>>> 
>>> How the iPhone knows where you are 
>>> 
>>> By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld
>>> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
>>> Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem 
>>> baffling:
>>> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
>>> several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
>>> Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>>> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I 
>>> am?
>>> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
>>> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In 
>>> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all 
>>> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone 
>>> towers fit into the equation.
>>> 12.5 minutes to locate
>>> 
>>> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; 
>>> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a 
>>> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, 
>>> a cold start might be required again.
>>> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
>>> you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time 
>>> signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. 
>>> They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called 
>>> the almanac.
>>> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
>>> location and some less precise location information for other GPS 
>>> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain 
>>> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded 
>>> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that 
>>> are within range.
>>> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
>>> their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate 
>>> to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
>>> location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
>>> elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. 
>>> Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
>>> and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
>>> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
>>> faster!
>>> Giving GPS an assist
>>> 
>>> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the 
>>> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of 
>>> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately 
>>> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which 
>>> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be 
>>> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on 
>>> a device.
>>> The

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

No, no.  Monty Python's Flying Circus!  Geeze, I wasn't expecting the 
Spanish inquisition!


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 10:20 PM, Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List wrote:

And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.

On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  
During a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was 
supposed to be sleeping.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it 
work below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to 
belabor the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding. While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast 
without it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an 
adequate GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) 
chipset which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have 
data coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire 
a signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine 
which satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. 
With data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can 
take up to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data
can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to
just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data
to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain 
a lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. 
If you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more 
than a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites 
broadcast precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along 
with their current location. They also broadcast the location of 
all other satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, 
longitude, and elevation of your current location along with the 
exact current time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but 
a device can still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone 
GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can 
be estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite 
positions, and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date 
information is retrieved. These estim

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

We had full GPS coverage using Navionics on Android all the way down the
west coast of Vancouver Island, many days without a hint of cell coverage.
I believe the Apple products work similarly. One of my friends has
navigated a couple of Van Isle 360's using an iPad.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 2 October 2015 at 16:40, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore.  During
> a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to be
> sleeping.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
>
> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data f

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

And here I thought you were watching Bonanza down there.

On 10/2/2015 8:40 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore. 
During a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was 
supposed to be sleeping.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it 
work below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to 
belabor the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding. While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate 
GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have 
data coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire 
a signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With 
data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take 
up to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data
can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to
just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data
to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If 
you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than 
a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, 
and elevation of your current location along with the exact current 
time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can 
still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers 
can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more 
than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can be 
estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite 
positions, and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date 
information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite dat

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

It doesn't have a cell receiver, and it works very well offshore. During 
a recent offshore race I was watching the course while I was supposed to 
be sleeping.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 7:04 PM, Jerome Tauber wrote:
It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work 
below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor 
the point.  Jerry


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:



Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in 
GPS works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11
On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate 
GPS signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have data 
coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With 
data services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up 
to 5 minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman 
, Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can
take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just
a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to
quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first 
appeared. In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely 
accurate about how this all works and what it's doing. So let me 
explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If 
you turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than 
a few hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates 
for where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its 
current location and some less precise location information for 
other GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 
minutes) to obtain the full list of satellite locations. This 
information has to be decoded for a receiver to then properly 
interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which 
each sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS 
receiver—can calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, 
and elevation of your current location along with the exact current 
time. With three satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can 
still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can 
lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more than 
four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten 
the wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live 
downloads of position data from satellites, future locations can be 
estimated accurately enough to figure out rough satellite positions, 
and get a fix at which point even more up-to-date information is 
retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a network 
connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster 
lock or figure out the appropriate information t

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

I have a http://www.madmanmarine.com/ wifi unit that takes output from my
NMEA concentrator then make is available via serial/usb, tcp/ip or UDB.

I have a chartplotter and GPS in the system and can get the info on
iRegatta or PolarNav on Mac.

Also tested with some free/cheap windows programs.

I have an iPad 1.0 that still runs some chartplotting software and has
built in GPS. It is on my boat right now and I can find it via iCloud.
Useful as we are having some dicy weather in the North East this weekend.
At least I can tell if the boat is still on its mooring.





On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work
> below deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the
> point.  Jerry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satell

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

It works well below deck when you are in cell range.  How does it work below 
deck with just a GPS signal offshore?  I don't want to belabor the point.  Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS works 
> perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need 
>> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation 
>> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if you 
>> are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from the 
>> internet.
>> MotionX-GPS
>> 
>> Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
>> 
>> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which 
>> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular 
>> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition 
>> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
>> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a signal. 
>> This is simply because it takes longer to determine which satellites to use 
>> out of the 31 available around the world. With data services, it typically 
>> takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 minutes. 
>> 
>> How the iPhone knows where you are
>> 
>> By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld
>> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
>> Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem baffling:
>> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
>> several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
>> Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I 
>> am?
>> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
>> process that was de rigueur when GPS   receivers first appeared. 
>> In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this 
>> all works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone 
>> towers fit into the equation.
>> 12.5 minutes to locate
>> 
>> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; 
>> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a GPS 
>> receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, a 
>> cold start might be required again.
>> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
>> you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time 
>> signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. 
>> They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called 
>> the almanac.
>> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
>> location and some less precise location   information for other 
>> GPS satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to 
>> obtain the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be 
>> decoded for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the 
>> satellites that are within range.
>> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
>> their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate 
>> to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
>> location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
>> elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. 
>> Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, 
>> and track more than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.
>> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
>> faster!
>> Giving GPS an assist
>> 
>> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the wait, 
>> called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of position 
>> data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately enough to 
>> figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which point even more 
>> up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
>> network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.
>> The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time, 
>> fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock or figure 
>> out the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, such as that used 
>> by Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required for the network’s basic 
>> operations, making it a simple matter to have such information available. 
>> (In fact,

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I spent some time on the web researching aGPS vs GPS and saw the same
info.  aGPS found in many tablets and cellphones is, in fact,
satellite-based GPS.  aGPS simply uses cell towers to speed up the intitial
fix.

Having said that, in an offshore distance race a couple years ago, several
boats used Kattack tracking from cell phones.  Some of them, including
Touche', saw gaps in their tracks when well away from cell towers.  Might
have been because the phones were below.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Jerome
> I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS
> works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately
> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which
> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be
> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on
> a device.
> The current time can also be used as a clue. W

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jeffrey Nelson via CnC-List]

We use iPad (albeit with external gps) on Jahmon (j29) below decks all 
the time.  I never understood why people would
buy an iPad without the gps option.  Seems like a lot of money to spend 
if you decide to change you mind later and having

the GPS is such an integral part of our lives these days.

AND...I'm not even an Apple fan.

$100 for an andriod pad eh...I must look into that.  I've been thinking 
of getting something for ebooks.


On 10/2/2015 5:36 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS 
works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11



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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Jerome
I must disagree with that statement.  My sony tablet with built in GPS 
works perfectly below decks, it is what I use for anchor watch.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2015-10-02 12:42 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not 
need cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower 
triangulation for position and is not very accurate or fast without 
it.   Moreover, if you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS 
signal.  This is from the internet.



  MotionX-GPS


Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset 
which uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal 
acquisition. Cellular coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, 
however the signal acquisition will be much quicker if you have data 
coverage.
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a 
signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which 
satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data 
services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5 
minutes.



  How the iPhone knows where you are

By Glenn Fleishman , 
Macworld
iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that 
Apple's Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS 
 
might almost seem baffling:


Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can
take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a
few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly
find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out 
where I am?
Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a 
lengthy process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. 
In simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how 
this all works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and 
cell phone towers fit into the equation.



  12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a 
lock; later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you 
turned a GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few 
hundred miles, a cold start might be required again.
GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for 
where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast 
precise time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their 
current location. They also broadcast the location of all other 
satellites in the sky, called the almanac.
Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current 
location and some less precise location information for other GPS 
satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to 
obtain the full list of satellite locations. This information has to 
be decoded for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the 
satellites that are within range.
If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each 
sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can 
calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation 
of your current location along with the exact current time. With three 
satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement 
fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously 
on multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can 
improve accuracy, too.
But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that 
location faster!



  Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the 
wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads 
of position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated 
accurately enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a 
fix at which point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. 
These estimates can be downloaded via a network connection in seconds 
or even calculated right on a device.
The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current 
time, fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock 
or figure out the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, 
such as that used by Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required 
for the network’s basic operations, making it a simple matter to have 
such information available. (In fact, CDMA cell towers have GPS units 
built in to maintain better atomic time synchronization.)These extras 
are what makes GPS into AGPS. Though a lot of people misunderstand 
AGPS and think it’s some faux GPS system, that’s not the case: AGPS 
requires a GPS receiver to work. Apple’s iPhone and 3G iPad models 
include AGPS,

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

I have the same one Mark, Acer One 7" for $99 at Costco.
I didn't even know it had a built-in GPS until I got it home and started
playing with it.
I bought it to replace my Kobo e-reader that I had just broken the screen
on.


Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C&C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



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Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...




Or just try Walmart/Radio Shack/Best Buy - anything from $50 to $250
depending on how fancy you want and how big you want the screen.

I have an Acer Android tablet that I bought at Costco - maybe $100 cdn for
7" screen - has GPS (but no cell acess).  Works great.  Able to buy
Navionics through the Google Play store for $15 and then I can load it up
onto my other tablet as well for no extra fee

Mark

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[George Cone via CnC-List]

Sure, what year type ipod 

George 

C&C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 1:12 PM
To: CNC CNC
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...

 Emoji <https://a.gfx.ms/Emoji_1F609.png> 

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: davidrisc...@msn.com

Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



  _  

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.

Thanks,

George

C&C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

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 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
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Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I have used a Dual XGPS 150A bluetooth puck with my old Wifi only 
Ipad.  Works great.


http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-lifestyle/racing/xgps150-for-car-racing-and-performance/



At 10:11 AM 10/2/2015, you wrote:


Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:03:21 -0400
From: Andrew Burton 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I have a GPS that plugs in to USB. If you get an adapter you can have it. I
have an adapter that we can plug in and try to make sure it works when we
next get together for a beer.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:03:40 -0700
From: Leslie Paal 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
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If you do anything, and things go south you will have a problem 
assigning blame.  If you let them do everything relating to moving 
the boat; they are responsible.


I shipped a C&C from Boston to San Diego.  The damage (minor) was 
covered by the trucking company as they did all the work. (Apart 
from the fact that my time was valuable, moving the household too.)


Leslie.

On Thu, 10/1/15, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay
 To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
 Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" 
 Date: Thursday, October 1, 2015, 6:51 AM

 Hi All,
 Suhana is moving!I'm loading her
 on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to
 Lake Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the
 Thousand Islands two years in a row and really want to get
 up to the North Channel.?
 I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have
 some tips to share? I'm bringing her to a marina with a
 travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. The
 trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded
 cradle. From there they're driving up to Midland to Bay
 Moorings Marina where their travel lift will bring her down
 and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my
 cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when
 they are there, but aside from that, no other tips. I'm
 sure there are things I'm not considering! Anyone have
 any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a
 boat? Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer,
 not on deck. I'm thinking about removing my stanchions
 and lifelines just because.?
 Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland?
 That's where we'll be landing. Would be nice to know
 if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a
 brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the
 area.
 Cheers,Steve
 Suhana, C&C 32Toronto



Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Or just try Walmart/Radio Shack/Best Buy - anything from $50 to $250 
depending on how fancy you want and how big you want the screen.


I have an Acer Android tablet that I bought at Costco - maybe $100 cdn 
for 7" screen - has GPS (but no cell acess).  Works great.  Able to buy 
Navionics through the Google Play store for $15 and then I can load it 
up onto my other tablet as well for no extra fee


Mark

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  - George Santayana



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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

try https://www.gazelle.com/

Joel

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:11 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...
>
> [image: Emoji]
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: davidrisc...@msn.com
>
>
> Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android
> tablet from E-Bay or ?
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: gc...@alpinesy.com
>
> Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in
> GPS and do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
> C&C 40
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
>
>
> or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
> for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You
> can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal
> anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
> other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and
> receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
> software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
> transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Digital Yacht NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server]
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>
> List Price: $833.92
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> Price: *$495.77*
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

Anybody wanna trade a 64GB IPad for a Vanilla Android with GPS...

😉

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: davidrisc...@msn.com




Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.Thanks,GeorgeC&C 40 From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question... or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab 
with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.Dennis C. On 
Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:I have been looking into this and there is an 
excellent solution.   You can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and 
receive the signal anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible 
with INavx and other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS 
receiver and receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or 
other software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some 
transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J  Digital Yacht 
NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server by Digital Yacht  List Price: $833.92 
Price: $495.77 You Save: $338.15 (41%) Ships from and sold by OJ Commerce.  
 Digital Yacht NMEA to Wireless Wi-Fi Adapter - 4800 Baud by Digital Yacht  
List Price: $458.92 Price: $280.37 You Save: $178.55 (39%) Ships from and sold 
by OJ Commerce.   1 - Digital Yacht iNAVConnect Wireless Wi-Fi Router by 
Digital Yacht  Price: $232.67 Ships from and sold by TheFactoryDepot. 
-Original Message-
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To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm 
thinking good for chartplotting software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need 
a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I have a GPS that plugs in to USB. If you get an adapter you can have it. I
have an adapter that we can plug in and try to make sure it works when we
next get together for a beer.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
>
> Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
> dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
> BS?
>
> (sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)
>
> Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?
>
> Thank in advance!
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Michael Jones via CnC-List]

Are you looking at a GPS to plug in to your iPad or a Bluetooth GPS?
Bluetooth will give you the signal through most of the boat and it's not
tied to Apple technology. Eg Garmin Glo.

Cheers

Mike



On Oct 2, 2015, at 7:37 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Jerome,

This limitation is for position *acquisition* only.  I have used iPhone and
iPad outside of cellular range with good speed accuracy and position after
the initial lock.  In comparison, my dedicated Garmin GPS took me going
half a mile down the river in Branford this year before it determined where
it was.

The iPad is a pretty good trade off for standalone chart plotting
capability - to augment a built-in chart plotter, or if you don't have
one.  I really like the wifi extensions to recent plotters, but that
assumes you have one.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need
> cell service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation
> for position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if
> you are below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from
> the internet.
> MotionX-GPS Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?
> The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which
> uses cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular
> coverage is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition
> will be much quicker if you have data coverage.
> Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a
> signal. This is simply because it takes longer to determine which
> satellites to use out of the 31 available around the world. With data
> services, it typically takes under a minute, but it can take up to 5
> minutes.
>
> How the iPhone knows where you are
> 
> By Glenn Fleishman ,
> Macworld
> iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
> Wednesday
> response about location tracking on iOS
> 
> might almost seem baffling:
>
> Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up
> to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by
> using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.
>
> Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I
> am?
> Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy
> process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In
> simplifying matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all
> works and what it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone
> towers fit into the equation.
> 12.5 minutes to locate
> Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock;
> later locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a
> GPS receiver off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles,
> a cold start might be required again.
> GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for
> where you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise
> time signals using a built-in atomic clock along with their current
> location. They also broadcast the location of all other satellites in the
> sky, called the almanac.
> Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current
> location and some less precise location information for other GPS
> satellites. It takes 25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain
> the full list of satellite locations. This information has to be decoded
> for a receiver to then properly interpret signals from the satellites that
> are within range.
> If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each
> sent their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can
> calculate to within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of
> your current location along with the exact current time. With three
> satellites, you lose elevation, but a device can still track movement
> fairly accurately. Standalone GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on
> multiple satellites, and track more than four. Other techniques can improve
> accuracy, too.
> But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that
> location faster!
> Giving GPS an assist
> So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the
> wait, called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of
> position data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately
> enough to figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which
> point even more up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be
> downloaded via a network connection in seconds or even calculated right on
> a device.
> The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time,
> fragmentary

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

Now that is a viable solution... Does one obtain a "vanilla" Android tablet 
from E-Bay or ?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:34:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: gc...@alpinesy.com

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.Thanks,GeorgeC&C 40 From: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question... or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab 
with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.Dennis C. On 
Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:I have been looking into this and there is an 
excellent solution.   You can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and 
receive the signal anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible 
with INavx and other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS 
receiver and receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or 
other software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some 
transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J  Digital Yacht 
NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server by Digital Yacht  List Price: $833.92 
Price: $495.77 You Save: $338.15 (41%) Ships from and sold by OJ Commerce.  
 Digital Yacht NMEA to Wireless Wi-Fi Adapter - 4800 Baud by Digital Yacht  
List Price: $458.92 Price: $280.37 You Save: $178.55 (39%) Ships from and sold 
by OJ Commerce.   1 - Digital Yacht iNAVConnect Wireless Wi-Fi Router by 
Digital Yacht  Price: $232.67 Ships from and sold by TheFactoryDepot. 
-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm 
thinking good for chartplotting software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need 
a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Joe - that is a common misunderstanding.  While the Iphone does not need cell 
service for positioning it actually does use cell tower triangulation for 
position and is not very accurate or fast without it.   Moreover, if you are 
below deck you will not get an adequate GPS signal.  This is from the internet.

MotionX-GPS

Does MotionX-GPS require a cellular network?

The iPhone 5, 4S, 4, 3GS and 3G use an A-GPS (Assisted-GPS) chipset which uses 
cell tower triangulation to speed up GPS signal acquisition. Cellular coverage 
is not needed to acquire a signal, however the signal acquisition will be much 
quicker if you have data coverage. 
Without data services, it can take 15 minutes or longer to acquire a signal. 
This is simply because it takes longer to determine which satellites to use out 
of the 31 available around the world. With data services, it typically takes 
under a minute, but it can take up to 5 minutes. 



How the iPhone knows where you are  




By Glenn Fleishman, Macworld



iPhone users' experience with GPS is so quick, so instant-on, that Apple's 
Wednesday response about location tracking on iOS might almost seem baffling:

Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to 
several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using 
Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites.

Several minutes? Doesn't my iPhone take just seconds to figure out where I am?

Well, yes… but only when it engages in a set of tricks to avoid a lengthy 
process that was de rigueur when GPS receivers first appeared. In simplifying 
matters, Apple’s not being entirely accurate about how this all works and what 
it's doing. So let me explain where Wi-Fi and cell phone towers fit into the 
equation.

12.5 minutes to locate

Early GPS receivers took 12.5 minutes from a cold start to obtain a lock; later 
locks in the same region could still take minutes. If you turned a GPS receiver 
off for a few weeks or moved it more than a few hundred miles, a cold start 
might be required again.

GPS relies on two factors to create a set of accurate coordinates for where 
you’re standing: time and space. GPS satellites broadcast precise time signals 
using a built-in atomic clock along with their current location. They also 
broadcast the location of all other satellites in the sky, called the almanac.

Every 30 seconds, a GPS satellite broadcasts a time stamp, its current location 
and some less precise location information for other GPS satellites. It takes 
25 of these broadcasts (thus, 12.5 minutes) to obtain the full list of 
satellite locations. This information has to be decoded for a receiver to then 
properly interpret signals from the satellites that are within range.

If you know the position of four satellites and the time at which each sent 
their position information, you—or, rather, your GPS receiver—can calculate to 
within 10 meters the latitude, longitude, and elevation of your current 
location along with the exact current time. With three satellites, you lose 
elevation, but a device can still track movement fairly accurately. Standalone 
GPS receivers can lock in simultaneously on multiple satellites, and track more 
than four. Other techniques can improve accuracy, too.

But, heck, I don’t have 12.5 minutes. I’m a busy man! Give me that location 
faster!
 

Giving GPS an assist

So GPS chip and gear makers came up with a host of ways to shorten the wait, 
called Assisted GPS (AGPS). Instead of relying on live downloads of position 
data from satellites, future locations can be estimated accurately enough to 
figure out rough satellite positions, and get a fix at which point even more 
up-to-date information is retrieved. These estimates can be downloaded via a 
network connection in seconds or even calculated right on a device.

The current time can also be used as a clue. With a precise current time, 
fragmentary satellite data can be decoded to gain a faster lock or figure out 
the appropriate information to use. In CDMA networks, such as that used by 
Verizon, GPS-synchronized atomic time is required for the network’s basic 
operations, making it a simple matter to have such information available. (In 
fact, CDMA cell towers have GPS units built in to maintain better atomic time 
synchronization.

Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Joe,

That's right, but iPads need to be cellular enabled to get GPS info because
they use the cellular antenna.  WiFi only does not do the job.

Joel

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My iPhone does not need cell service for the GPS to work.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerome
> Tauber via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jerome Tauber
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
>
>
> GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service
> being available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.
>   Also, with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind
> speed, depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You
> can even receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your
> Ipad or Android becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as
> INavx and is available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea
> sensors to plug into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc: Dennis C. 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
> or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics
> for $10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You
> can plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal
> anywhere on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and
> other software.   You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and
> receive it on the Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other
> software.   This is the future of onboard navigation.   Here are some
> transmitters though there are many others.   Jerry - J&J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Digital Yacht NavLink NMEA 200 Wireless Data Server]
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[George Cone via CnC-List]

Or you can get a vanilla android tablet for $80- $100 that has built in GPS and 
do the same thing and not worry if it gets wet.

Thanks,

George

C&C 40

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:18 AM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

 

or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.

Dennis C.

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
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on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J


 




 

 


 



 


 
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My iPhone does not need cell service for the GPS to work.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jerome 
Tauber via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jerome Tauber
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J



-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
To: CnClist mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...
or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.
Dennis C.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
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plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J











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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

GPS built into phones and pads is limited and depends on cellular service being 
available.  Moreover, reception below decks is poor to non-existent.   Also, 
with wifi you can transmit AIS and any other NMEA info such as wind speed, 
depth, and even radar.It's a different ballgame entirely.   You can even 
receive on multiple Pads and from anywhere on the boat.   Your Ipad or Android 
becomes a complete navigation system using an app such as INavx and is 
available anywhere on the boat.  Of course, you must have nmea sensors to plug 
into the wifi router.   Jerry J&J
 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List IPad Question...



or you can buy a 10" Samsung Galaxy Tab with GPS for $250.  Add Navionics for 
$10.  Poof!  Chartplotter.


Dennis C.



On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J



 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

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-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...



OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
  



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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

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> -Original Message-
> From: David via CnC-List 
> To: CNC CNC 
> Cc: David 
> Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
> Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...
>
> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
>
> Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
> dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
> BS?
>
> (sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)
>
> Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?
>
> Thank in advance!
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I have been looking into this and there is an excellent solution.   You can 
plug your onboard GPS into a wifi transmitter and receive the signal anywhere 
on your boat on your Ipad.   This is compatible with INavx and other software.  
 You can also transmit AIS if you have an AIS receiver and receive it on the 
Ipad (or any Android device) through INavx or other software.   This is the 
future of onboard navigation.   Here are some transmitters though there are 
many others.   Jerry - J&J



 

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

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-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2015 10:37 am
Subject: Stus-List IPad Question...



OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
  


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Re: Stus-List IPad Question...

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

David, was this a wifi only iPad?  Otherwise, there is a GPS built in to
the cellular chip that will function even without a cell contract.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting
> software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.
>
> Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS
> dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product
> BS?
>
> (sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)
>
> Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?
>
> Thank in advance!
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
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Stus-List IPad Question...

[David via CnC-List]

OK...so I have this IPad I never use.  I'm thinking good for chartplotting 
software for the 2X (maybe) a year that I need a chartplotter.

Needs a GPS.   I shop and see "Bad Elf"s" for $150+.  Huh?  I bought a GPS 
dongle for my laptop for $20.  Is this more of Apples proprietary product BS?

(sorry Apple users...I am not a big fan of Apple)

Are there other solutions this non-tech, non-Apple guy could use?

Thank in advance!

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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