Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
I recently purchased Sta-set X, 3/8 for both main and jib halyards for my CC 33 Mk1 at West Marine (during a one day 40% off sale on all lines). Raced them twice since in light air so the jury is still out. Very slick requiring more winch wraps. Crew learned quickly gloves are required to prevent burns when managing the new jib sheets. There are a couple charts available on the 'net with line/sheet size recs based on yacht size and intended use. Will forward address later. Brett Wakefield, Rhode Island CC 33 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2013, at 18:12, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed lately some of the newer lines, possibly T-900, etc. may be more prone to slippage in clutches and self tailers when new. After some use, they begin to hold a bit better. One might consider throwing new lines in a commercial washing machine to give them some experience. Might want to ask your local rigger or cordage vendor about this issue. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16 low stretch (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is no stretch . We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry . We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the sticker shock for Dyneema or similar material .. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on reasonable priced high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC .77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
I've noticed lately some of the newer lines, possibly T-900, etc. may be more prone to slippage in clutches and self tailers when new. After some use, they begin to hold a bit better. One might consider throwing new lines in a commercial washing machine to give them some experience. Might want to ask your local rigger or cordage vendor about this issue. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
I just replaced the halyards on Delaney (another 38 MkII) using New England Ropes VPC 7/16. I really like that it has a polyester cover, nice hand and very durable but you still get most of the benefits of the new high tech ropes. Much easier on the wallet too!!! James Delaney CC 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Bob Moriarty To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII I'm curious what the non-wire rope is and whether there were any difficulties splicing wire with a newer-type rope. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII - now VPC sheets
I just bought NER 3/8 VPC for jibsheets. Put eyes on each end and am going to try APS ltd's version of soft shackles. Tired of the bowlines in the 7/16 StaSet hanging up on the forward lower shrouds. We'll see how this works. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: jtsails jtsai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII I just replaced the halyards on Delaney (another 38 MkII) using New England Ropes VPC 7/16. I really like that it has a polyester cover, nice hand and very durable but you still get most of the benefits of the new high tech ropes. Much easier on the wallet too!!! James Delaney CC 38 MkII O ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Dennis, Spectra core with polyester cover. After the first failure, Serge (the rigger) put extra bulk in the core where the hoisted halyard lands in the clutches. That helped for all but one clutch, the starboard jib. After numerous failings over 3 years they got changed back to ol' reliable wire-rope halyards. I repaired these halyard covers between enough races that I was not unhappy to see them go. We use the core now as light air spin sheets... expensive but what a great use for them. No worries about overloading 'em. :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 03:12 PM 21/07/2013, you wrote: I've noticed lately some of the newer lines, possibly T-900, etc. may be more prone to slippage in clutches and self tailers when new. After some use, they begin to hold a bit better. One might consider throwing new lines in a commercial washing machine to give them some experience. Might want to ask your local rigger or cordage vendor about this issue. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16â âlow stretchâ (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is âno stretchâ . We racr We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry . r We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the âsticker shockâ for Dyneema or similar material .. two halyards using Dyneeneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on âreasonable pricedâ high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ¦.â77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/http://www.cncphotoalbum.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Bob, The new wire/rope halyards are Yacht braid for the rope part, a balanced polyester construction, not anything new. There is no stretch issue with Yacht braid for the 5 feet or so of rope between the end of wire and the clutch. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:25 PM 21/07/2013, you wrote: I'm curious what the non-wire rope is and whether there were any difficulties splicing wire with a newer-type rope. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Russ Melody mailto:russ...@telus.netruss...@telus.net wrote: Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
