Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Hi Pat,

  I was at the PHRF Lake Ontario Toronto West District meeting when the 30-2 XL
class PHRF was set in 2013. The process used was to determine comparable boats,
which was easy because the 30-2 class already was rated. There also was a custom
30-2 XL with a modified keel and rudder. It was felt that the 30-2 XL should be 
slightly
faster than the standard 30-2 though there was no race results to verify that. 
The
mod boat should have been faster still, again no race results.

  The 30-2 class SP was FS: 147, and the 30-2 XL MOD was FS: 144. Since PHRF at 
the
time did class SP in increments of 3 sec / mile the recommendation was to set:

Standard C 30-2  147 / 168
 C 30-2 XL        144 / 165
 C 30-2 XL MOD    141 / 162  - Modified bulb keel and rudder


As far as your PHRF out in Alberta that would be up to the local PHRF chapter 
but
-3 sec / mile compared to a 30-2, maybe - 6 sec / mile to a CS30 would be a 
starting point.

I have raced a 30-1 against the 30-2 and CS30 on both course races and long 
distance
races. Our PHRF spread is 20 - 25 sec / mile under PHRF-LO and I really do not 
see that
much difference on many points of sail.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


From: Pat MacDonald <pma...@gmail.com> 
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I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta. 
Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :) 
There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions. 
Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159. 
At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins. 
Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF # 
Thanks 
 
Pat 
Mojo.  30 MK II XL 
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

Gary, Pat McDonalds boat is in fact Greg Cutter's old 30XL "Gremlyn" so 
his PHRF number is likely accurate. Its going to take more practice from you 
and your crew Pat!
Al RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 #90


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{}#yiv1439249532 There was a fellow on the Chesapeake who had a 30 II with a 
fin keel. I thought he was rated around 150. His name is Greg Cutter – now 
sails some sort of hot rod boat. He’s good. Jake may have contact information 
as he was on this site for a number of years.  GaryMaryland  From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat MacDonald via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 4:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pat MacDonald <pma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List PHRF #'s  I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made 
by C)  last year in Ontario and brought it out to Alberta.Yes we do have a 
big lake to sail her in :)There is a pretty good racing community here.  With 
that I'm wondering what would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake 
conditions.Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.At 
141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.Any ideas 
or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #Thanks  PatMojo.  30 
MK II XL
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

There was a fellow on the Chesapeake who had a 30 II with a fin keel. I thought 
he was rated around 150. His name is Greg Cutter – now sails some sort of hot 
rod boat. He’s good. Jake may have contact information as he was on this site 
for a number of years.

 

Gary

Maryland

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat 
MacDonald via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 4:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Pat MacDonald <pma...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List PHRF #'s

 

I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.

Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)

There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.

Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.

At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.

Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #

Thanks

 

Pat

Mojo.  30 MK II XL

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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I would be curious to know what differentiates our boats Pat. We have an
1989 30mkII.

Is it that you have a bulb and some kevlar in your layup per the later
C's? Is the rig the same? I assume the interior is the same.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:05 PM Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Is it a fin or wing keel?   Jerry.  J 27 mkv.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Pat MacDonald via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in
> Ontario and brought it out to Alberta.
> Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
> There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering
> what would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
> Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
> At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
> Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
> Thanks
>
> Pat
> Mojo.  30 MK II XL
>
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

Is it a fin or wing keel?   Jerry.  J 27 mkv.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Pat MacDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in 
> Ontario and brought it out to Alberta.
> Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
> There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
> would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
> Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
> At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
> Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
> Thanks
> 
> Pat
> Mojo.  30 MK II XL
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Re: Stus-List PHRF #'s

[johnr via CnC-List]

A case of scotch might help.


John McLaughlin
Falcon
C



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Subject: Stus-List PHRF #'s



I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.
Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
Thanks


Pat

Mojo.  30 MK II XL

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Stus-List PHRF #'s

[Pat MacDonald via CnC-List]

I bought a 1995 30MK II XL (1 of only 3 XL's made by C)  last year in Ontario 
and brought it out to Alberta.
Yes we do have a big lake to sail her in :)
There is a pretty good racing community here.  With that I'm wondering what 
would the PHRF be for my boat in these lake conditions.
Wherever we look for PHRF scores my boat shows a PHRF of 141-159.
At 141 I'm getting constantly out scored by really significant margins.
Any ideas or suggestions that would help with a more accurate PHRF #
Thanks

Pat
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