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If you drill, use as low revs as you can. From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 11:55 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 I would drill it out with a good quality Cobalt drill, probably 1/8" then a step up, decided by how well you have the pilot hole centered. Use a good quality lubricant, something with chlorine, or what we use here for SS is Anchorlube G771 It looks like Practical Sailor agrees with you on the pins - https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/offshore-log-in-use-report-atkins-hoyle-deck-hatches<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.practical-sailor.com%2Fsafety-seamanship%2Foffshore-log-in-use-report-atkins-hoyle-deck-hatches&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8e8d8efafc8b434997de08dac0e0fe2d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638034369812710604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tBG%2FgsJNckXrbR58Of%2Fj3gj%2F%2FWswWuwKyRRo4LEhu9c%3D&reserved=0> Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie PA
Stus-List Re: 3M 4200
Okay. Thanks. From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 12:06 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Kevin Wright Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Hi Matt, My boat's 2 large hatches are flush unfortunately. Sounds like a great deal for someone! Thanks Matt. Kevin Raven C&C Landfall 43
Stus-List Re: 3M 4200
Hi Matt, My boat's 2 large hatches are flush unfortunately. Sounds like a great deal for someone! Thanks Matt. Kevin Raven C&C Landfall 43
Stus-List Re: 3M 4200
I can't remember exactly how they look, but it seems there was maybe a 5/16" SS Hinge pin - I would drill it out with a good quality Cobalt drill, probably 1/8" then a step up, decided by how well you have the pilot hole centered. Use a good quality lubricant, something with chlorine, or what we use here for SS is Anchorlube G771 It looks like Practical Sailor agrees with you on the pins - https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/offshore-log-in-use-report-atkins-hoyle-deck-hatches Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie PA On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:33 AM John Read via CnC-List wrote: > Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove > heat etc no luck > > > > John Read > > > > *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Bill Coleman > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > > > My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If > it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid > and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? > > Bill Coleman > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List > wrote: > > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it > is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > > > John Read > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > >
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Kevin: Flange fit. I did not see a model number. The outer edges of the flange “lip” (the part that sticks down into the hatch opening) measure 24 5/8” x 24 5/8”. Although the box is a little worse for wear, the hatch is good looking and in new condition (still has protective paper on the lens). Let me know if you need additional info. Matt From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 11:23 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Kevin Wright Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Hi Matt, I'm interested, is it a flush fit or flange? Thanks Kevin C&C Landfall 43 Kevin Wright (289) 886-2172 kcwright...@gmail.com <mailto:kcwright...@gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:11 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Speaking of hatches, I’ve had a brand new Vitus hatch sitting in my garage (in the box) for quite some time. I’m guessing it’s about 24 x 24. When I bought it, my evil plan was to replace the Atkins and Hoyle hatch on the 42, but the Vitus was not a perfect fit and I decided to go the re-build route. I’m happy to send it to a new home for the cost to ship and a $250 donation to Stu. I’ll provide details if anyone’s interested. Matt From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 10:28 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net <mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are not going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT rebuilt mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, the hinge casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward hatches. We didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop measured in detail and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was originally a Bomar but the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if they can advise you on how to remove that lid. Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly available for parting out. Good luck, Ron C. Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat etc no luck John Read From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT
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I had a feeling someone would make me venture into my mess of a garage. I’ll have a look and send more precise details. Matt From: Kevin Wright via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 11:23 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Kevin Wright Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Hi Matt, I'm interested, is it a flush fit or flange? Thanks Kevin C&C Landfall 43 Kevin Wright (289) 886-2172 kcwright...@gmail.com <mailto:kcwright...@gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:11 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Speaking of hatches, I’ve had a brand new Vitus hatch sitting in my garage (in the box) for quite some time. I’m guessing it’s about 24 x 24. When I bought it, my evil plan was to replace the Atkins and Hoyle hatch on the 42, but the Vitus was not a perfect fit and I decided to go the re-build route. I’m happy to send it to a new home for the cost to ship and a $250 donation to Stu. I’ll provide details if anyone’s interested. Matt From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 10:28 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net <mailto:rjcasci...@comcast.net> Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are not going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT rebuilt mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, the hinge casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward hatches. We didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop measured in detail and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was originally a Bomar but the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if they can advise you on how to remove that lid. Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly available for parting out. Good luck, Ron C. Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat etc no luck John Read From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT
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Hi Matt, I'm interested, is it a flush fit or flange? Thanks Kevin C&C Landfall 43 *Kevin Wright* (289) 886-2172 kcwright...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:11 AM Matt Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Speaking of hatches, I’ve had a brand new Vitus hatch sitting in my garage > (in the box) for quite some time. I’m guessing it’s about 24 x 24. When I > bought it, my evil plan was to replace the Atkins and Hoyle hatch on the > 42, but the Vitus was not a perfect fit and I decided to go the re-build > route. I’m happy to send it to a new home for the cost to ship and a $250 > donation to Stu. I’ll provide details if anyone’s interested. > > > > Matt > > > > *From:* rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2022 10:28 AM > *To:* 'Stus-List' > *Cc:* rjcasci...@comcast.net > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > > > John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are > not going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT > rebuilt mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, > the hinge casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward > hatches. We didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop > measured in detail and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was > originally a Bomar but the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. > > > > The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, > however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if > they can advise you on how to remove that lid. > > > > Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly > available for parting out. > > > > Good luck, > > Ron C. > > Impromptu > > C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 > > > > *From:* John Read via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM > *To:* 'Stus-List' > *Cc:* John Read > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > > > Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove > heat etc no luck > > > > John Read > > > > *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM > *To:* Stus-List > *Cc:* Bill Coleman > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > > > My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If > it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid > and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? > > Bill Coleman > > > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List > wrote: > > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it > is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > > > John Read > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > >
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Speaking of hatches, I’ve had a brand new Vitus hatch sitting in my garage (in the box) for quite some time. I’m guessing it’s about 24 x 24. When I bought it, my evil plan was to replace the Atkins and Hoyle hatch on the 42, but the Vitus was not a perfect fit and I decided to go the re-build route. I’m happy to send it to a new home for the cost to ship and a $250 donation to Stu. I’ll provide details if anyone’s interested. Matt From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 10:28 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are not going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT rebuilt mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, the hinge casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward hatches. We didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop measured in detail and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was originally a Bomar but the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if they can advise you on how to remove that lid. Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly available for parting out. Good luck, Ron C. Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 From: John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM To: 'Stus-List' mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: John Read mailto:johnprea...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat etc no luck John Read From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT
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Breaking the seal….. Possibly the insertion of a putty knife(s) and the thoughtful application of heat would slowly break the seal. Thankfully mine were bedded in butyl. Hatch rebuild currently underway: http://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2022/10/hatch-refurbishment.html?m=1 Dave - 33-2 windstar. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2022, at 10:28 AM, rjcasciato--- via CnC-List > wrote: > > > John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are not > going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT rebuilt > mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, the hinge > casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward hatches. We > didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop measured in detail > and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was originally a Bomar but > the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. > > The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, > however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if > they can advise you on how to remove that lid. > > Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly > available for parting out. > > Good luck, > Ron C. > Impromptu > C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 > > From: John Read via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM > To: 'Stus-List' > Cc: John Read > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat > etc no luck > > John Read > > From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM > To: Stus-List > Cc: Bill Coleman > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 > > My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If > it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and > have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? > > Bill Coleman > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List > wrote: > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is > bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > John Read > Legacy III > 1982 C&C 34 > Noank, CT >
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John, I agree with Bill…….someone knows how to get that lid off. You are not going to like the cost of replacement. Hatchmasters in Norwich CT rebuilt mine 12 years ago and that worked for a time, but this past year, the hinge casting simply broke off and I replaced both cabin and forward hatches. We didn’t find any standard sizes that would fit so my shop measured in detail and we had Bomar make them both. The foredeck one was originally a Bomar but the cabin roof one was an Atkins and Hoyle. The end result is that they fit perfectly and look great. The price, however, was over $10K……..so if possible, talk to Hatchmasters and see if they can advise you on how to remove that lid. Or search the salvage market here in Floridasome other 34 is certainly available for parting out. Good luck, Ron C. Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC…..’77 From: John Read via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 9:33 AM To: 'Stus-List' Cc: John Read Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat etc no luck John Read From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT
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Stainless rod is welded to frame by years of corrosion. Tried to remove heat etc no luck John Read From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:55 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Bill Coleman Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT
Stus-List Re: 3M 4200
My first thought is, why do you have to remove the hatch frame itself? If it's attached that well, can't you just leave it there and remove the lid and have a new lens put in, and put new gasket in? Bill Coleman On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 07:58 John Read via CnC-List wrote: > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it > is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > > > John Read > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > >
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I used 4200 on several deck fittings in 2007 and removed them last year to paint the deck and rebed them. They never leaked and the stuff was firm but not hard. 4200 is not epoxy so you simply need to cut through the stuff to break the bond without damaging the fiberglass underneath. Once all of the fasteners are removed, I'd use a heat gun on the frame to expand the frame and soften the bond. Then use a very thin metal putty knife to start at a corner, then insert additional plastic putty knives into the crack as you go around the frame. Use a rubber mallot to drive the thin metal putty knife into the caulk. Take your time and it will separate. Chuck S > On 11/07/2022 7:58 AM John Read via CnC-List > wrote: > > > > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it > is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > > John Read > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > >
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Thanks but how do I get it between the hatch and deck?? John Read From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Monday, November 07, 2022 8:07 AM To: Stus-List Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Stus-List Re: 3M 4200 De-bond On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:58 AM John Read via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT -- Joel
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De-bond On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 7:58 AM John Read via CnC-List wrote: > After 40 years, it is time to rebuild my forward main hatch. Issue is it > is bedded to hull with 3M 4200. Any suggestions on how to break that seal? > > > > John Read > > Legacy III > > 1982 C&C 34 > > Noank, CT > > > -- Joel
