Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I replaced a rule with a johnson, I believe it was almost identical as far
as th attachment, except the rotation was off just a bit.
I have to say, I have tried every possible potable water pump there is, and
I just discovered Johnson had a pump, I think it is variable speed Flow
Master 5.0, but is the best pump I have ever had in 25 years.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:53 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have had good service from Rule pumps with an integral float switch for
> 20 years and multiple problems with external switches.
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> --
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2022 4:33:06 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Dennis C. 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps
>
> Randy,
>
> I've never been fond of automatic bilge pumps.  I much prefer a separate
> pump and float switch.  I recommend the Ultra Safety Systems Junior bilge
> pump switch.  Pricey but worth it, IMHO.
>
> I replaced several Rule float switches before I finally spent the extra $$
> for the USS pump.  On the other hand, Touche's Rule 1500 bilge pump has
> been working for over two decades.
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Listers,
>
> What are your favorite bilge pumps?
>
> I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed
> experiences with their reliability.
>
> I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a
> float switch, but I could relent on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have had good service from Rule pumps with an integral float switch for 20 
years and multiple problems with external switches.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:33:06 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

Randy,

I've never been fond of automatic bilge pumps.  I much prefer a separate pump 
and float switch.  I recommend the Ultra Safety Systems Junior bilge pump 
switch.  Pricey but worth it, IMHO.

I replaced several Rule float switches before I finally spent the extra $$ for 
the USS pump.  On the other hand, Touche's Rule 1500 bilge pump has been 
working for over two decades.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hey Listers,

What are your favorite bilge pumps?

I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed experiences 
with their reliability.

I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a float 
switch, but I could relent on that.

Thanks,
Randy

Sent from my iPhone

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Randy,

I've never been fond of automatic bilge pumps.  I much prefer a separate
pump and float switch.  I recommend the Ultra Safety Systems Junior bilge
pump switch.  Pricey but worth it, IMHO.

I replaced several Rule float switches before I finally spent the extra $$
for the USS pump.  On the other hand, Touche's Rule 1500 bilge pump has
been working for over two decades.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey Listers,
>
> What are your favorite bilge pumps?
>
> I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed
> experiences with their reliability.
>
> I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a
> float switch, but I could relent on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Stus-List Re: Bilge Pumps

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Whale for me

Joel

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 4:36 AM Randal Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey Listers,
>
> What are your favorite bilge pumps?
>
> I think I’m pretty done with RuleMate 1100s.  I’ve had really mixed
> experiences with their reliability.
>
> I’m general I’d prefer an automatic pump so I don’t have to fuss with a
> float switch, but I could relent on that.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
> Sent from my iPhone

-- 
Joel

Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Bill,

My apologies - I've got a Whale switch that senses oil.

Joel

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:49 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Are you sure about that Joel,  I cannot find anything in my Ultra
> instructions that mention the Ultra won’t pump oil.  It is a simple float,
> I don’t know how that float would know what was lifting it.
>
> I do know that the electronic bilge switch I had on my 39 (I cannot
> remember the name, I don’t think it was Water Witch, maybe Rich knows)
> would absolutely not pump oil.  After launching it after 19 months, (all
> nice and clean smelling) I had put an ineffective washer on the diesel
> filter, and it leaked a few gallons of diesel  into the bilge,  which
> really irritated me, but I was glad it didn’t pump it overboard. Took a lot
> of cleaning and scrubbing to get that out!   Got new Racor 500’s  after
> that rout.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2021 11:47 AM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps
>
>
>
> The Ultra switch is designed to not work if covered in oil to prevent oil
> discharge.  If you have a dirty bilge you do need to clean the switch
> periodically.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 11:43 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I do agree the Ultra Safety Switch is a very good switch, and there is
> also a high water alarm function, but bear in mind they are not maintenance
> free.
>
>
>
> After I motored from Annapolis to Erie I discovered the main pump was
> frozen.   (two other fore and aft pumps working, but in sealed
> compartments, and two others apparently non-existent).  I replaced the main
> pump with a new one and cleaned the switch.  It was gummed up with crud,
> and was effectively non-functional.   I think one of the best defenses
> against this, besides regular cleaning, is to keep fresh oil absorbent pads
> in your bilge. And also keep the water out.  I think I still like the
> electronic switches a little better.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Are you sure about that Joel,  I cannot find anything in my Ultra instructions 
that mention the Ultra won’t pump oil.  It is a simple float, I don’t know how 
that float would know what was lifting it.

I do know that the electronic bilge switch I had on my 39 (I cannot remember 
the name, I don’t think it was Water Witch, maybe Rich knows) would absolutely 
not pump oil.  After launching it after 19 months, (all nice and clean 
smelling) I had put an ineffective washer on the diesel filter, and it leaked a 
few gallons of diesel  into the bilge,  which really irritated me, but I was 
glad it didn’t pump it overboard. Took a lot of cleaning and scrubbing to get 
that out!   Got new Racor 500’s  after that rout.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 11:47 AM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

 

The Ultra switch is designed to not work if covered in oil to prevent oil 
discharge.  If you have a dirty bilge you do need to clean the switch 
periodically.  

 

Joel

 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 11:43 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I do agree the Ultra Safety Switch is a very good switch, and there is also a 
high water alarm function, but bear in mind they are not maintenance free.

 

After I motored from Annapolis to Erie I discovered the main pump was frozen.   
(two other fore and aft pumps working, but in sealed compartments, and two 
others apparently non-existent).  I replaced the main pump with a new one and 
cleaned the switch.  It was gummed up with crud, and was effectively 
non-functional.   I think one of the best defenses against this, besides 
regular cleaning, is to keep fresh oil absorbent pads in your bilge. And also 
keep the water out.  I think I still like the electronic switches a little 
better.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Matthew via CnC-List]

Coming full circle to where we started, I plan to mount my Ultra switch and 
Rule 3700 pump so they are not ordinarily in the yucky bilge water.  I use my 
manually operated electric bilge pump for regular maintenance.  The Ultra 
switch and Rule pump will be mounted higher up, so they will rarely get used 
(hopefully never).  If they do get used, there will be an abnormally large 
amount of water in the bilge.

 

Fortunately for me, I live near my boat and visit it regularly during the 
summer to check on things (including running the manually operated pump).  

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 11:43 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

 

I do agree the Ultra Safety Switch is a very good switch, and there is also a 
high water alarm function, but bear in mind they are not maintenance free.

 

After I motored from Annapolis to Erie I discovered the main pump was frozen.   
(two other fore and aft pumps working, but in sealed compartments, and two 
others apparently non-existent).  I replaced the main pump with a new one and 
cleaned the switch.  It was gummed up with crud, and was effectively 
non-functional.   I think one of the best defenses against this, besides 
regular cleaning, is to keep fresh oil absorbent pads in your bilge. And also 
keep the water out.  I think I still like the electronic switches a little 
better.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Dave S via CnC-List]

or use a washable marker and look for the tears...

Dave

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 at 11:09, Bob Mann via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Check all intakes.  Sprinkle a powder around aft as water will leave
> traces and allow you to track it.  This works best for areas other than the
> shaft.
>
> Bob
>
> On 03/02/2021 10:56 AM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's a mystery so far but I know it's salt and I know it's coming from
> aft.
>
> The yard said the dripless was fine but I'm thinking that's the culprit.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Matthew via CnC-List
>  wrote:
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> Stu
>
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> Stu
>
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

The Ultra switch is designed to not work if covered in oil to prevent oil
discharge.  If you have a dirty bilge you do need to clean the switch
periodically.

Joel

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 11:43 AM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I do agree the Ultra Safety Switch is a very good switch, and there is
> also a high water alarm function, but bear in mind they are not maintenance
> free.
>
>
>
> After I motored from Annapolis to Erie I discovered the main pump was
> frozen.   (two other fore and aft pumps working, but in sealed
> compartments, and two others apparently non-existent).  I replaced the main
> pump with a new one and cleaned the switch.  It was gummed up with crud,
> and was effectively non-functional.   I think one of the best defenses
> against this, besides regular cleaning, is to keep fresh oil absorbent pads
> in your bilge. And also keep the water out.  I think I still like the
> electronic switches a little better.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +1 on the Ultra Safety Systems bilge switch recommendation. Put one on the
> Rule pump in my Mako CC because I was tired of replacing the Rule switches
> just about every year. Not cheap but worth it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>
> 1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
>
> Reedville, VA
>
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I do agree the Ultra Safety Switch is a very good switch, and there is also a 
high water alarm function, but bear in mind they are not maintenance free.

 

After I motored from Annapolis to Erie I discovered the main pump was frozen.   
(two other fore and aft pumps working, but in sealed compartments, and two 
others apparently non-existent).  I replaced the main pump with a new one and 
cleaned the switch.  It was gummed up with crud, and was effectively 
non-functional.   I think one of the best defenses against this, besides 
regular cleaning, is to keep fresh oil absorbent pads in your bilge. And also 
keep the water out.  I think I still like the electronic switches a little 
better.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

 

+1 on the Ultra Safety Systems bilge switch recommendation. Put one on the Rule 
pump in my Mako CC because I was tired of replacing the Rule switches just 
about every year. Not cheap but worth it.

 

Regards,

Dave

1982 C 37 - Ronin

1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana

Reedville, VA

 

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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Me three!

At 11:01 AM 3/2/2021, you wrote:
+1 on the Ultra Safety Systems bilge switch 
recommendation. Put one on the Rule pump in my 
Mako CC because I was tired of replacing the 
Rule switches just about every year. Not cheap but worth it.


Regards,
Dave
1982 C 37 - Ronin
1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
Reedville, VA

On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Matthew via 
CnC-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Dennis is the “someone on this list” to 
whom I recently referred about a floating 
switch recommendation.  The switch is quite robust.


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
<<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 1:40 PM
To: Stus-List <<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <<mailto:capt...@gmail.com>capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

The key to a reliable bilge pump system is the 
float switch.  Install a Ultra Safety Systems 
bilge switch and sleep with confidence.


<https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price>https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price

IMHO, they're superior to any others.  I've 
replaced a number of Rule float switches over 
the last 3 decades. I've not observed one 
single USS bilge switch failure.  The SR model 
has a lifetime warranty.  The others a 5 year warranty.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

+1 on the Ultra Safety Systems bilge switch recommendation. Put one on the Rule 
pump in my Mako CC because I was tired of replacing the Rule switches just 
about every year. Not cheap but worth it.

Regards,
Dave
1982 C 37 - Ronin
1998 Mast & Mallet Thomas Point 34 - Katana
Reedville, VA

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Matthew via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Dennis is the “someone on this list” to whom I recently referred about a 
> floating switch recommendation.  The switch is quite robust.
>  
> From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 1:40 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Dennis C. mailto:capt...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps
>  
> The key to a reliable bilge pump system is the float switch.  Install a Ultra 
> Safety Systems bilge switch and sleep with confidence.
>  
> https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price 
> <https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price>
>  
> IMHO, they're superior to any others.  I've replaced a number of Rule float 
> switches over the last 3 decades. I've not observed one single USS bilge 
> switch failure.  The SR model has a lifetime warranty.  The others a 5 year 
> warranty.
>  
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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[Matthew via CnC-List]

Dennis is the “someone on this list” to whom I recently referred about a 
floating switch recommendation.  The switch is quite robust.

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 1:40 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

 

The key to a reliable bilge pump system is the float switch.  Install a Ultra 
Safety Systems bilge switch and sleep with confidence.

 

https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price

 

IMHO, they're superior to any others.  I've replaced a number of Rule float 
switches over the last 3 decades. I've not observed one single USS bilge switch 
failure.  The SR model has a lifetime warranty.  The others a 5 year warranty.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The key to a reliable bilge pump system is the float switch.  Install a
Ultra Safety Systems bilge switch and sleep with confidence.

https://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price

IMHO, they're superior to any others.  I've replaced a number of Rule float
switches over the last 3 decades. I've not observed one single USS bilge
switch failure.  The SR model has a lifetime warranty.  The others a 5 year
warranty.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

You can also use water-soluble markers to draw a line around and look for where 
the line gets dissolved.

Marek

From: Bob Mann via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 11:09 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bob Mann 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

Check all intakes.  Sprinkle a powder around aft as water will leave traces and 
allow you to track it.  This works best for areas other than the shaft.

Bob
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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

On my boat, the water has to rise about 3/4" to trigger the float and it runs 
for a few minutes when it does.  That's a considerable amount of water under 
there.  I'd chase down the leak.  How long does the pump run each time?  If 
it's a short run, the problem may be water in the discharge hose seeping back 
into the bilge.  I'd wet vac the bilge dry and look for water trickling down 
the hull toward the pump, and follow that back to the source.  

Chuck S

> On 03/02/2021 10:56 AM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> It's a mystery so far but I know it's salt and I know it's coming from 
> aft.
>  
> The yard said the dripless was fine but I'm thinking that's the culprit.
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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> 
> 
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Matthew via CnC-List
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

Maybe the rudder post? I've had that with both my 27 and our 35

On Tue., Mar. 2, 2021, 10:57 a.m. Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It's a mystery so far but I know it's salt and I know it's coming from aft.
>
> The yard said the dripless was fine but I'm thinking that's the culprit.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:41 AM, Matthew via CnC-List
>  wrote:
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Check all intakes.  Sprinkle a powder around aft as water will leave traces and 
allow you to track it.  This works best for areas other than the shaft.

Bob

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> It's a mystery so far but I know it's salt and I know it's coming from 
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> The yard said the dripless was fine but I'm thinking that's the culprit.
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It's a mystery so far but I know it's salt and I know it's coming from aft.
The yard said the dripless was fine but I'm thinking that's the culprit.

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I was going to say that. My boat would have to sit for a month or two to fill 
the bilges, depending on how much rain we got. Actually it would take a LOT of 
rain to be in issue in just a month.
Joe
Coquina

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You might have a leak. Possibly the stuffing box. Sounds like too much water 
ingress to me.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:51 AM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
This is all very disturbing as I rely on a bilge with a float on shore power 
(or not) to keep water down in the bilge all the time.  It probably goes off 
every couple hours.

Peter Cowenhoven
1984 Landfall
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Every couple hours does seem like a lot.  You may want to look into where it’s 
coming from.

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

 

This is all very disturbing as I rely on a bilge with a float on shore power 
(or not) to keep water down in the bilge all the time.  It probably goes off 
every couple hours.  

 

Peter Cowenhoven

1984 Landfall

Westbrook, CT

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You might have a leak. Possibly the stuffing box. Sounds like too much
water ingress to me.

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> This is all very disturbing as I rely on a bilge with a float on shore
> power (or not) to keep water down in the bilge all the time.  It probably
> goes off every couple hours.
>
> Peter Cowenhoven
> 1984 Landfall
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This is all very disturbing as I rely on a bilge with a float on shore power 
(or not) to keep water down in the bilge all the time.  It probably goes off 
every couple hours.  
Peter Cowenhoven1984 LandfallWestbrook, CT

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Agree with the 2 pump philosophy with only one caveat from my almost disastrous 
experience many years ago which only involved 1 pump.
I made the mistake of having shore power hooked up and bilge pump powered on 
when my float switch failed while at my dock. The bilge pump dutifully ran in 
response to the failed switch (it failed in the ‘run pump’ position), the 
battery sagged, the charger kicked on and ultimately stayed on at its maximum 
current.
This evidently happened over a week or more while the boat was unattended.
When I discovered the problem, of course the batteries were dead. As I traced 
it, I couldn’t understand why the charger was not on and charging. Closer 
inspection found a blown resistor inside the Xantex charger. 
Whether by charger design or accident, this blown resistor likely saved my boat 
from a fire as the charger overheated trying to keep the batteries charged.
While probably preventable by a more robust on board circuit design, my 
takeaway from this event was to NEVER leave shore power/battery charger on 
unless I am on board.
As Bill mentioned, better to have a dead battery than the boat at the bottom—or 
in my case burned to the water line!
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I agree with the two pumps, with the primary a smallish diaphragm,can be above 
the waterline, (mine was in the head, under the sink)with a hoseand a flat 
strainer at the lowest part of the bilge, on an electronic switch.
 
Then a larger centrifugal pump, maybe you could even run aseparate hose out 
where the hand/Whale pumps exit. This also on an electronicswitch.  You have to 
wipe the lens on the switches occasionally to keep themclean.
 
I would rather find my battery dead, than my boat on the bottomof the slip.
 
  
 
  
 
Bill Coleman
 
Entrada, Erie, PA
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
From: David Knecht viaCnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:42 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Bilge pumps
 
  
 
Practical Sailor had an article recently about bilge pumpsand I have three 
questions.
 
1.   They recommended two electric pumps: a lowercapacity automatic as deep in 
bilge as possible and a second higher capacitywired to a switch higher up.  I 
am unconvinced by the logic.  I havehad an automatic pump get stuck on, so it 
ran until the battery ran out ofjuice.  I worry that will happen more 
frequently with a deep automatic inthe part of the bilge that will most 
frequently have water and crud.  Iwould argue for the opposite setup so I can 
pump out incidental rain water etc.at my discretion but the automatic will kick 
in when there is high water.
 
2.  On my boat, I have a small floor panel I can removeto access the bilge and 
my current pump (Whale super-sub which is the only pumpI found that fits) is 
deep in the narrow bilge there.  If I were to try toput a second pump in, I 
think it would have to be somewhere else which meansunder the flooring and 
inaccessible which seems like a bad idea.  Thatflooring is a PITA to remove, 
since it is screwed down and to remove theflooring adjacent to the small panel, 
where a pump would make sense, I have tounbolt and support the table because 
the mast runs through it and the tablebolts to the flooring.  That takes about 
30 min minimum so I don’t thinkthat is a good place for a pump one wants to 
access with some ease.  Icould put it further back under the rear flooring 
which is more easily removed,but it would have to be a pump that sits low to 
fit.  Have others modifiedthe floor attachment to make access to the space 
underneath easier?  
 
3.  If one has two pumps, it is OK to tie the outletstogether through a Y valve 
with check valves?
 
  
 
David Knecht
 
S/V Aries
 
1990 C 34+
 
New London, CT
 


 
  
 
  
 
Dr. David Knecht
 
Professor, Department of Molecularand Cell Biology 
 
University of Connecticut  
 
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
 
U-3125
 
Storrs, CT 06269-3125
 
  
 
  
 
  
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Stus-List Re: Bilge pumps

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I agree with the two pumps, with the primary a smallish diaphragm, can be above 
the waterline, (mine was in the head, under the sink)with a hose and a flat 
strainer at the lowest part of the bilge, on an electronic switch.

Then a larger centrifugal pump, maybe you could even run a separate hose out 
where the hand/Whale pumps exit. This also on an electronic switch.  You have 
to wipe the lens on the switches occasionally to keep them clean.

I would rather find my battery dead, than my boat on the bottom of the slip.

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:42 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: Stus-List Bilge pumps

 

Practical Sailor had an article recently about bilge pumps and I have three 
questions.

1.   They recommended two electric pumps: a lower capacity automatic as deep in 
bilge as possible and a second higher capacity wired to a switch higher up.  I 
am unconvinced by the logic.  I have had an automatic pump get stuck on, so it 
ran until the battery ran out of juice.  I worry that will happen more 
frequently with a deep automatic in the part of the bilge that will most 
frequently have water and crud.  I would argue for the opposite setup so I can 
pump out incidental rain water etc. at my discretion but the automatic will 
kick in when there is high water.

2.  On my boat, I have a small floor panel I can remove to access the bilge and 
my current pump (Whale super-sub which is the only pump I found that fits) is 
deep in the narrow bilge there.  If I were to try to put a second pump in, I 
think it would have to be somewhere else which means under the flooring and 
inaccessible which seems like a bad idea.  That flooring is a PITA to remove, 
since it is screwed down and to remove the flooring adjacent to the small 
panel, where a pump would make sense, I have to unbolt and support the table 
because the mast runs through it and the table bolts to the flooring.  That 
takes about 30 min minimum so I don’t think that is a good place for a pump one 
wants to access with some ease.  I could put it further back under the rear 
flooring which is more easily removed, but it would have to be a pump that sits 
low to fit.  Have others modified the floor attachment to make access to the 
space underneath easier?  

3.  If one has two pumps, it is OK to tie the outlets together through a Y 
valve with check valves?

 

David Knecht

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

 

Dr. David Knecht

Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology 

University of Connecticut  

91 N. Eagleville Rd.

U-3125

Storrs, CT 06269-3125

 

 

 

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[Matthew via CnC-List]

David:

 

It sounds like your mounting/access issues are boat-specific, 
so I can’t offer anything there.  However, I agree with your assessment that 
the manual electric pump should be the one deepest in the bilge, and the 
automatic backstop should be higher up.  The idea with the automatic is to save 
the boat if you’re not there (or asleep), not keep the bilge dry.  Based on a 
recommendation from someone on this list, last year I purchased an Ultra pump 
switch for the automatic.  http://tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_infor 
 I haven’t installed it yet, and need to decide what kind of pump to pair it 
with.  The manually operated electric pump that came with the boat is a Jabsco 
diaphragm pump, which works well for this purpose. 

 

Matt

C 42 Custom

 

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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:42 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Bilge pumps

 

Practical Sailor had an article recently about bilge pumps and I have three 
questions.

1.   They recommended two electric pumps: a lower capacity automatic as deep in 
bilge as possible and a second higher capacity wired to a switch higher up.  I 
am unconvinced by the logic.  I have had an automatic pump get stuck on, so it 
ran until the battery ran out of juice.  I worry that will happen more 
frequently with a deep automatic in the part of the bilge that will most 
frequently have water and crud.  I would argue for the opposite setup so I can 
pump out incidental rain water etc. at my discretion but the automatic will 
kick in when there is high water.

2.  On my boat, I have a small floor panel I can remove to access the bilge and 
my current pump (Whale super-sub which is the only pump I found that fits) is 
deep in the narrow bilge there.  If I were to try to put a second pump in, I 
think it would have to be somewhere else which means under the flooring and 
inaccessible which seems like a bad idea.  That flooring is a PITA to remove, 
since it is screwed down and to remove the flooring adjacent to the small 
panel, where a pump would make sense, I have to unbolt and support the table 
because the mast runs through it and the table bolts to the flooring.  That 
takes about 30 min minimum so I don’t think that is a good place for a pump one 
wants to access with some ease.  I could put it further back under the rear 
flooring which is more easily removed, but it would have to be a pump that sits 
low to fit.  Have others modified the floor attachment to make access to the 
space underneath easier?  

3.  If one has two pumps, it is OK to tie the outlets together through a Y 
valve with check valves?

 

David Knecht

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

 

Dr. David Knecht

Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology 

University of Connecticut 

91 N. Eagleville Rd.

U-3125

Storrs, CT 06269-3125

 

 

 

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[Bob Mann via CnC-List]

Q3 No.  If both pumps are running simultaneously you probably won't have enough 
capacity in the primary hose to handle both.

Bob

> On 02/26/2021 11:42 AM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Practical Sailor had an article recently about bilge pumps and I have 
> three questions.
> 1.   They recommended two electric pumps: a lower capacity automatic as 
> deep in bilge as possible and a second higher capacity wired to a switch 
> higher up.  I am unconvinced by the logic.  I have had an automatic pump get 
> stuck on, so it ran until the battery ran out of juice.  I worry that will 
> happen more frequently with a deep automatic in the part of the bilge that 
> will most frequently have water and crud.  I would argue for the opposite 
> setup so I can pump out incidental rain water etc. at my discretion but the 
> automatic will kick in when there is high water.
> 2.  On my boat, I have a small floor panel I can remove to access the 
> bilge and my current pump (Whale super-sub which is the only pump I found 
> that fits) is deep in the narrow bilge there.  If I were to try to put a 
> second pump in, I think it would have to be somewhere else which means under 
> the flooring and inaccessible which seems like a bad idea.  That flooring is 
> a PITA to remove, since it is screwed down and to remove the flooring 
> adjacent to the small panel, where a pump would make sense, I have to unbolt 
> and support the table because the mast runs through it and the table bolts to 
> the flooring.  That takes about 30 min minimum so I don’t think that is a 
> good place for a pump one wants to access with some ease.  I could put it 
> further back under the rear flooring which is more easily removed, but it 
> would have to be a pump that sits low to fit.  Have others modified the floor 
> attachment to make access to the space underneath easier?  
> 3.  If one has two pumps, it is OK to tie the outlets together through a 
> Y valve with check valves?
> 
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> Dr. David Knecht
> Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology 
> University of Connecticut
> 91 N. Eagleville Rd.
> U-3125
> Storrs, CT 06269-3125
>  
> 
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