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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Brian,

I happened to be visiting Sparrows Point on Tuesday and looked for your boat, 
but didn't find it at Young's Boat Yard.  Maybe you were out sailing.  I was 
curious about the yard because of your comment about the owner helping you.  
Lot's of DIY work going on there.  Amazing diversity too.  Maybe too shallow 
for my 6'3" draft

I keep Resolute behind a house on the Magothy River and haul at Oak Harbor 
Marina on Rock Creek.  I'm looking for a different marina for next time.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R



> On 08/17/2022 3:00 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I have paid my penance. I have read the Bible, taken plenty of cold 
> showers and rough rags on my skin to rid my flesh of microscopic fiberglass 
> remains. I finally finished the bow repair I shared with the list last 
> summer. Much thanks for all the advice and encouragement, especially Charles 
> Scheaffer. I learned quite a bit, bought a lot of tools, talked to some good 
> folks at Young’s Boat Yard in Sparrows Point, MD. The owner Ant’s Dad, who 
> did fiberglass work for decades  was around to oversee my work and share his 
> expertise for a few weeks. When it was all said and done I laid up 21 layers 
> of fiberglass, inside and out. I trust the repair is stronger than the 
> original. Time will tell. The fairing isn’t the best. But the paint matched 
> pretty well.
> [image0.jpeg]
> 
> Brian C. Morrison
> 

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[Matthew via CnC-List]

Looks great!

 

From: Brian Morrison via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 3:01 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Morrison 
Subject: Stus-List Bow Repair

 

Hello Everyone, 

 

I have paid my penance. I have read the Bible, taken plenty of cold showers and 
rough rags on my skin to rid my flesh of microscopic fiberglass remains. I 
finally finished the bow repair I shared with the list last summer. Much thanks 
for all the advice and encouragement, especially Charles Scheaffer. I learned 
quite a bit, bought a lot of tools, talked to some good folks at Young’s Boat 
Yard in Sparrows Point, MD. The owner Ant’s Dad, who did fiberglass work for 
decades  was around to oversee my work and share his expertise for a few weeks. 
When it was all said and done I laid up 21 layers of fiberglass, inside and 
out. I trust the repair is stronger than the original. Time will tell. The 
fairing isn’t the best. But the paint matched pretty well.



Brian C. Morrison

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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks for the kind words. Always glad to help.

The boat looks great.  I'm so glad you did this repair yourself.  It was a very 
challenging project and much to learn, but building your own skills is always 
time and effort well spent.  You should feel proud whenever you look at her.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R 

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[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I second having this repair at least looked at by a professional--perhaps a 
surveyor who is independent of whoever might repair the damage. As Bob mentions 
below--I doubt you want to mess with the forestay/bow attachment coming 
'adrift'--that 'gravity storm' could lead to a real disaster.
My experience was not so drastic--I had a pretty hard collision with another 
C (38' Landfall IIRC) during the start of the race when he changed direction 
at the last minute (to follow the rules with which he was not very familiar 
plus he was the skipper of the boat for the first time). That is a whole other 
story.
The relevance to this discussion is that for years after that collision I had 
water coming into the starboard side of the forward cabin--rain and/or 
otherwise. I never did anything about it for years--just cleaned it up and 
figured the forward chain plate was leaking somewhat and moved on.
After about 10 years of leaks, I finally had a yard professional have a serious 
look at it and he found that the hull/deck seal had been compromised at about 
1/2 way between the bow and the shrouds on the starboard side. Only then did I 
remember that my collision hit at that point long ago. Long story and lots of 
boat bucks later, the yard opened the hull-deck joint from the bow to the 
cockpit enough to replace the joint material--end of leak! In this case, it was 
only a water leak (no structural issues) but this water destroyed the teak 
liner in the side/ceiling of the v-berth since it was continually soaked with 
water which is now under repair for additional boat bucks!
FWIW,
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb




 


-Original Message-
From: Bob Tallman via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bob Tallman 
Sent: Sun, Sep 26, 2021 9:25 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

Agree on getting new chain plates fabricated but have a great deal of 
reservation of doing the repair yourself.
When you say sever damage and the fact that the chain plate(s) were bent and 
damaged would imply you need to ensure that the structural integrity of where 
the forestry mounts is rock solid.  If the hit was that severe, you may have 
other structural challenges such as teh hull deck joint and related seal plus 
stress fractures.
In my opinion this might be best executed by an experienced glass mechanic, one 
who can assess the structural integrity.  Don?t want to mess with that letting 
go??


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 9:06 AM Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Take the damaged ones to a local fabrication shop, they should be able to make 
you new ones.
PaulFrom: Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 8:44:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Morrison 
Subject: Stus-List Bow Repair Hello All,
I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered pretty 
severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent and needs 
to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well. I?m thinking of 
fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain plate/backing plate from. 
And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I?m located in Baltimore, MD. See pics 
attached. 
ThanksBrian

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[Bob Tallman via CnC-List]

Agree on getting new chain plates fabricated but have a great deal of reservation of doing the repair yourself.When you say sever damage and the fact that the chain plate(s) were bent and damaged would imply you need to ensure that the structural integrity of where the forestry mounts is rock solid.  If the hit was that severe, you may have other structural challenges such as teh hull deck joint and related seal plus stress fractures.In my opinion this might be best executed by an experienced glass mechanic, one who can assess the structural integrity.  Don?t want to mess with that letting go??On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 9:06 AM Paul Fountain via CnC-List  wrote:



Take the damaged ones to a local fabrication shop, they should be able to make you new ones.




Paul



From: Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 8:44:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Morrison 
Subject: Stus-List Bow Repair
 

Hello All,


I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well. I?m thinking of fixing
 it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I?m located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached. 


Thanks
Brian





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[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

Whatta sad dayto me he was the heart and soul of Garhauer...I would thought 
he was an owner...Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/25/21  6:36 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: David Risch via 
CnC-List  Cc: Graham Collins 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair 
I believe Guido has passed on recently (Jan 2021, Covid-19) but
  hopefully his spirit lives on at Gauhauer Marine.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
On 2021-09-25 5:59 p.m., David Risch
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
I was gonna say what Nathan said...never mind.

  
  

  
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  From: Dennis
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  Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:01:52 PM
  To: Stus-List 
  Cc: Dennis C. 
  Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair
 
  
  

  If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido
at Garhauer Marine.  He will duplicate it.  Does
excellent work.
  -- 
  
Dennis C.
  Touche' 35-1 #83
  Mandeville, LA

  

  
  
  
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[jim aridas via CnC-List]

Sad to hear about Guido. He made a custom goose neck and a few other fittings 
for me years ago when refitting a pearson 30. Then many blocks and a boom vang 
for my 34 C I would always chat with him at the boat shows. Very interesting 
guy. Built tank parts for Desert Storm operations.
8 Bells for Guido.
Jim Aridas
Formerly Galaxy 34'

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From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:56:31 PM
To: David Risch via CnC-List 
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Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair


I believe Guido has passed on recently (Jan 2021, Covid-19) but hopefully his 
spirit lives on at Gauhauer Marine.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-09-25 5:59 p.m., David Risch via CnC-List wrote:
I was gonna say what Nathan said...never mind.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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Subject: Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido at Garhauer Marine.  He 
will duplicate it.  Does excellent work.
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I believe Guido has passed on recently (Jan 2021, Covid-19) but 
hopefully his spirit lives on at Gauhauer Marine.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-09-25 5:59 p.m., David Risch via CnC-List wrote:

I was gonna say what Nathan said...never mind.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


*From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2021 4:01:52 PM
*To:* Stus-List 
*Cc:* Dennis C. 
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If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido at Garhauer 
Marine.  He will duplicate it.  Does excellent work.

--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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[David Risch via CnC-List]

I was gonna say what Nathan said...never mind.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


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To: Stus-List 
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If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido at Garhauer Marine.  He 
will duplicate it.  Does excellent work.
--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

If you can't find a local shop, send the thing to Guido at Garhauer
Marine.  He will duplicate it.  Does excellent work.
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[DJ via CnC-List]

I had a new push pit and stem head fitting fabricated by white water marine.  They produced the original fittings and still had drawings.  They produced a new double roller for me, custom designed to accept my new mantus anchor.  I am more than pleased with results as well as the process. Let me know if you're interested in contact info.DannyOn Sep 25, 2021 12:46 PM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  wrote:Hi Brian,My C bow fitting replacement is shown in photos here:https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sd5YJg8rJ5GwGZ8M7I got the general concept from the Johanna Rose blog http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/06/stemhead-replacement.html but wanted to keep it lighter (using aluminum rather than stainless steel) and needed to design around the different features of the C bow.It is designed to use a Mantis roller and I extended the bow a little to provide a tack point for the asymmetrical spin.  I created the design myself in Onshape https://cad.onshape.com/documents/87319ac0373461e07d9c3465/w/8092d805cb5db461fce8cc09/e/94229b4df81f5f30af53d096 using measurements and a wood moc up and then had Xometry build it for me including welding and heavy duty black anodizing.  It didn't fit perfectly and I had to add a stainless steel spacer in front of it so some small adjustments to the design might be a good idea if you are going to have another one fabricated.Since I designed the bottom to be flat for easier fabrication, I had to fill the deck with thickened epoxy to create a flat mounting surface.  I was concerned about the added bending moments from the anchor so I extended it back about 8 inches compared to the original and cut the toe rails accordingly.  That also gave me room to move the chalks back behind the forward pulpit legs. I also added an additional 1/4" G10 backing plate bonded under the existing plywood backing plate underneath it. Fabrication was ~$2800 and then the stainless steel chalks (Schaefer XCL Model 60-50) and roller assembly it was closer to a $3500 upgrade all told.  Probably not the most economical approach in the end and definitely a lot of work although I do like how it came out. I did this as part of a full deck repair/repaint/refit project in spring of 2000.Having an anchor all the way out on the bow does weigh the bow down a bit - I ended up moving my spare anchor out into the aft lazarette to compensate.  Having the roller definitely makes launching and retrieving the anchor a lot easier!Let me know if you have any questions.Nathan







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[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Hi Brian,

My C bow fitting replacement is shown in photos here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Sd5YJg8rJ5GwGZ8M7
I got the general concept from the Johanna Rose blog
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/06/stemhead-replacement.html but
wanted to keep it lighter (using aluminum rather than stainless steel) and
needed to design around the different features of the C bow.
It is designed to use a Mantis roller and I extended the bow a little to
provide a tack point for the asymmetrical spin.  I created the design
myself in Onshape
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/87319ac0373461e07d9c3465/w/8092d805cb5db461fce8cc09/e/94229b4df81f5f30af53d096
using measurements and a wood moc up and then had Xometry build it for me
including welding and heavy duty black anodizing.  It didn't fit perfectly
and I had to add a stainless steel spacer in front of it so some small
adjustments to the design might be a good idea if you are going to have
another one fabricated.

Since I designed the bottom to be flat for easier fabrication, I had to
fill the deck with thickened epoxy to create a flat mounting surface.  I
was concerned about the added bending moments from the anchor so I extended
it back about 8 inches compared to the original and cut the toe rails
accordingly.  That also gave me room to move the chalks back behind the
forward pulpit legs. I also added an additional 1/4" G10 backing plate
bonded under the existing plywood backing plate underneath it. Fabrication
was ~$2800 and then the stainless steel chalks (Schaefer XCL Model 60-50) and
roller assembly it was closer to a $3500 upgrade all told.  Probably not
the most economical approach in the end and definitely a lot of work
although I do like how it came out.

I did this as part of a full deck repair/repaint/refit project in spring of
2000.

Having an anchor all the way out on the bow does weigh the bow down a bit -
I ended up moving my spare anchor out into the aft lazarette to
compensate.  Having the roller definitely makes launching and retrieving
the anchor a lot easier!

Let me know if you have any questions.

Nathan

>
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[Brian Morrison via CnC-List]

Thanks Joel

Dr. Brian C. Morrison

On Sep 25, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:


Sorry Kato marine

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:05 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Kari Marine in Annapolis

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hello All,

I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered pretty 
severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent and needs 
to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well. I’m thinking of 
fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain plate/backing plate from. 
And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m located in Baltimore, MD. See pics 
attached.

Thanks
Brian

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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sorry Kato marine

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 11:05 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Kari Marine in Annapolis
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered
>> pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent
>> and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well.
>> I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain
>> plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m
>> located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> --
> Joel
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Kari Marine in Annapolis

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered
> pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent
> and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well.
> I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain
> plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m
> located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu

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[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Hi Brian,

Ouch -- yes, that is fairly extensive damage, but anything is repairable.
Was the welded chainplate on the inside damaged as well?  I am talking
about the part with the tang that the forestay actually attaches to)?  You
will want to remove it entirely and inspect carefully for cracks.

I suspect you will need to fabricate (or have fabricated for you) a new
stainless steel plate on the outside at a minimum. However, that is a
fairly simple part as it is just a flat piece of stainless steel cut to the
correct shape with countersunk holes.  McMasterCarr sells the stock you
will need in small quantities:
https://www.mcmaster.com/stainless-steel-plate/corrosion-resistant-316-stainless-steel-6/
and a local machine shop should be able to do the machining if you don't
have the tools to do it yourself. If you are handy with cad (on-shape is a
free online program for personal projects) then you can also use a company
like Xometry online to have it fabricated elsewhere (they can do welding
etc. to - you just have to request it).

My recommendation for the fiberglass is to grind out the damaged area
entirely and then create as shallow a taper as you can (at least a 12/1
slope) from there going outwards in all directions on the sides of the
hull.  If the resulting hole is large, it may be helpful to glue a thin
sheet of pre-cured but flexible fiberglass laminate (could start with G10
from mcmastercarr) on the inside to provide a backing plate to lay up the
new glass against, or you could create an inside mold with wood that is
shaped to match the inside of the hull and wrapped in release cloth and
braced inside the chain locker. Then cut and layer in glass cloth soaked in
epoxy that gradually increases in size and rotate every layer by 45 deg to
create a quasi-isotropic laminate. (If you build up to about the same
thickness, then the end result will be stronger than the original). Use a
long-working time epoxy (at least several hours) and I recommend using a
vacuum bagging system with bags on the inside and outside) to create
compression and remove voids as the epoxy cures.  Depending on total
thickness it may be a good idea to do this in several steps with half a
dozen layers each, sanding and cleaning the surface before each subsequent
lamination to remove the amine blush.

Finally sand/grid smooth, use epoxy filler for any diviots and sand again /
repeat until smooth.  Prime and paint.  If the rest of the hull is the
original gel coat and you don't want to paint it all, you could consider
making just the bow a contrasting color with a straight vertical edge
between the paint and gel coat (it could look good, even intentional).

Was the aluminum bow casting also damaged?  If so, I have one from my 1981
C 34 I can send you (I replaced it with a custom one to add an anchor
roller last year).  The only challenge is that the pin for the forestay is
seized so that will take some work to remove or drill it out. I used the
original chainplates so I don't have those as extras.  However,
a possibility is if you can find a boat that was salvaged and they kept the
chainplates you might be able to get them relatively inexpensively.  I
wonder what happened to Rob Ball's 34 after it sank and the insurance
company totaled it?

Nathan
S/V Wisper
Lynn, MA
1981 C 34


On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 8:45 AM Brian Morrison via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered
> pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent
> and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well.
> I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain
> plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m
> located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.
>
> Thanks
> Brian
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

You have sinned against the boat!  As penance thou must read well the 
bible of repair 
, 
and purchase great quantities of itchy stuff and west epoxy...


The metalwork - as was already commented, take off the bent bit and have 
a local machine shop duplicate it.  Stainless 316L is the most corrosion 
resistant likely to be available.  Doesn't have to be an exact match 
since you'll be drilling new holes...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-09-25 9:44 a.m., Brian Morrison via CnC-List wrote:

Hello All,

I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered 
pretty severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was 
bent and needs to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed 
as well. I’m thinking of fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get 
a chain plate/backing plate from. And, advice on repairing the 
fiberglass. I’m located in Baltimore, MD. See pics attached.


Thanks
Brian



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Stus-List Re: Bow Repair

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Take the damaged ones to a local fabrication shop, they should be able to make 
you new ones.

Paul

From: Brian Morrison via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 8:44:50 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Brian Morrison 
Subject: Stus-List Bow Repair

Hello All,

I had an unfortunate encounter with a buoy and my 1979 C 34 suffered pretty 
severe damage to the bow. The chain plate for the forestay was bent and needs 
to be replaced. There is some fiberglass repair needed as well. I’m thinking of 
fixing it myself. Anyone know where I can get a chain plate/backing plate from. 
And, advice on repairing the fiberglass. I’m located in Baltimore, MD. See pics 
attached.

Thanks
Brian

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