Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
Many of our boat’s rudders are supported by Delrin bushings. Many of these parts have lasted a long time. When they need replacement I would suggest using Delrin AF. It’s PTFE impregnated Delrin, somewhat slipperier than the original. Alan Liles SV Elendil C 37/40+ Vancouver, BC ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
I used SuperLube, a white heavy duty synthetic grease - https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe Resistant to salt water. Has lots of other uses too. +1 to Delrin for the bearing disc. There's a grease fitting already in the rudder stock tube (mine had a green grease in it, which is still working well). I don't think you would need one in the thrust bearing, and am not sure how you would install one there anyway. I did notice a squeak coming from that area (near the Delrin disc) a couple weeks ago while sailing, so am planning to squeeze some more Superlube below the disc or maybe spray in some dry lubricant (SailKote). -Patrick 1984 LF38 -- Forwarded message -- From: Simon and Silvana I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass tube. What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust bearing? Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? Thanks Simon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
Fred, I had no problem regarding the upper collar and set screws, but I had a HUGE problem removing the steering radial drive from the rudder shaft. The four bolts holding the radial drive to the shaft were completely galled together. Even though I had plenty of work space, as I had the engine and fuel tank removed, I could not break the bolts free. I tried a combination of heat, PB Blaster, Kroil (better than PB Blaster), time, and a huge breaker bar. Nada. I then used a Dremel to cut the bolt heads off. But even with the bolts heads removed, the radial would not separate. I ended up running a sawzall blade from the outside edge along the radial separation cutting the bolts at the separation junction. Success! This would not have been doable with the fuel tank in place.I was able to restore the old radial drive by drilling out the old stainless steel bolts. During the reinstallation, I used 316 SS bolts (McMaster-Carr) with locking nuts and washers and PLENTY of Tef-Gel. Hopefully, your radial drive bolts were previously installed using some type of grease or Tef-Gel so that you don’t have the same galling problem. But If you run into a similar problem, before considering to remove the fuel tank, I would spin the rudder such that you could drill the old bolts from the threaded end (opposite bolt head) of the radial drive. Since the old old bolts don’t go all the way through, the threaded hole would provide a guide. It should be possible to do this with a good hand drill, several good bits of different sizes, and a good oil like Kroil. The key to drilling out stainless bolts is to drill very slowly. Here is a link to the write up of my past rudder work. http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2014/12/rudder-and-steering.html - Paul E. 1981 C Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Fort Walton Beach, FL http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ > On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:39 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:00:27 -1000 > From: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> > To: Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38 > Message-ID: <56e8004f-4615-451e-bf53-1a303308e...@postaudio.net > <mailto:56e8004f-4615-451e-bf53-1a303308e...@postaudio.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Simon ? did you have any issues getting the Allen set screws loose on the > upper collar, and getting it off? I?m facing dropping the rudder this > winter, and would appreciate any guidance on this. > > Thanks! > > ? Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
On Prime Interest one of the set screws wasn't even tapped all the way through to the post. In any case I had great difficulty trying to remove that one. Eventually used a bolt removal set. The set screws were made of some very soft metal making removal painful. Removing the collar was a slow process. I couldn't move it without locking a pipe wrench on it and using the wheel to turn the rudder under it a quarter turn at a time. I had to re-tap the set screw holes but luckily the collar is very soft brass/bronze. I used some harder bolts rather than putting back recessed set screws. Ed Prime Interest 1982 LF38 Toronto, Canada On Tue., Nov. 5, 2019, 10:01 p.m. Frederick G Street via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Simon — did you have any issues getting the Allen set screws loose on the > upper collar, and getting it off? I’m facing dropping the rudder this > winter, and would appreciate any guidance on this. > > Thanks! > > — Fred > > Fred Street -- Minneapolis > S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > > On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:45 AM, Simon and Silvana via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant > to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass > tube. > What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust > bearing? > Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? > Thanks > Simon > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
Simon — did you have any issues getting the Allen set screws loose on the upper collar, and getting it off? I’m facing dropping the rudder this winter, and would appreciate any guidance on this. Thanks! — Fred Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:45 AM, Simon and Silvana via CnC-List > wrote: > > I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant to > use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass tube. > What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust > bearing? > Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? > Thanks > Simon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
Ditto. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of ed vanderkruk via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:16 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: ed vanderkruk ; Simon and Silvana Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38 I made up a couple of discs from Delrin for a bearing. Ed Prime Interest C LF38 Toronto, Canada On Tue., Nov. 5, 2019, 7:45 a.m. Simon and Silvana via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass tube. What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust bearing? Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? Thanks Simon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
I made up a couple of discs from Delrin for a bearing. Ed Prime Interest C LF38 Toronto, Canada On Tue., Nov. 5, 2019, 7:45 a.m. Simon and Silvana via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant > to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass > tube. > What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust > bearing? > Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? > Thanks > Simon > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
Torresen Marine mechanic in Muskegon Michigan recommended "Green Grease" to me this past summer. It's a synthetic, waterproof grease (and it is green) that you can get about anywhere. Torresen didn't have it in stock, but West Marine store down the road had a waterproof, synthetic grease that I purchased and used with success (one half summer experience to date). Unfortunately I don't have the brand of the WM grease. It is blue. Jeff Laman C "Harmony" Ludington, MI From: billbr...@ns.sympatico.ca Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:53 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38 I use super lube synthetic grease on the rudder bearing. My LF38 has a grease nipple at the lower bearing with a hose attached...the hose is routed over to the stbd lazerette and has another grease nipple attached to it. This setup allows me to easily grease the rudder from the lazerette. Bill Bruce LF 38 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
I use super lube synthetic grease on the rudder bearing. My LF38 has a grease nipple at the lower bearing with a hose attached...the hose is routed over to the stbd lazerette and has another grease nipple attached to it. This setup allows me to easily grease the rudder from the lazerette. Bill Bruce LF 38 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Rudder lubrication Landfall 38
I have removed the rudder and would like guidance on the type of lubricant to use in the lower section where the rudder passes through the fibreglass tube. What is the best replacement material for the nylon (?) disc of the thrust bearing? Has anyone installed a grease fitting in the thrust bearing? Thanks Simon ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
