Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
As you all may ( or might not ) know, Rob Ball also designed some really small boats, including some windsurfers, a few thousand produced. ...and a rowing skiff, "The Pocket Rowing Skiff" originally 50 built: https://books.google.ca/books?id=aPLas6AazCgC=PA192=PA192=%22The+Pocket+Rowing+Skiff%22=bl=eqA8bGQkZg=4XO2xRcw7RsOjBEp0YYVxpCKj08=en=X=2ahUKEwjQi92By6TfAhWOslkKHS3ZCSYQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ#v=onepage=%22The%20Pocket%20Rowing%20Skiff%22=false "The Pocket Skiff" is still being built at Rossiter Boats: http://rossiterboats.com/the-pocket-skiff/ Ken H. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article
Can’t beat the old C 30. I would now consider trading my 35 MKII even for one. I had one a real nice one with a diesel but i sold it: stupid right? On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:33 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > What about the 32 (1982)? We love it, raised our kids on it, and had a > lot of fun club racing it. Chose the 32 over a 29 because of where the > traveler was and the fact we had small kids at the time. > > Neil Andersen > 1982 C 32 FoxFire > Rock Hall, MD > > Neil Andersen > 20691 Jamieson Rd > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Mike > Macdonald via CnC-List > *Sent:* Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:41 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Mike Macdonald; rick bushie; Rob Ball > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article > > Got to agree with that Rob. Have a 29 mk1 now and love it but there are > times I miss the 30. Wound say the 25mk1 was also very stable. But a bit > wetter sometimes lol > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Rob Ball via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > > Rick, > > The C 30 was my first Lines Drawing, but it was Big George telling me > what to do. > > I don't remember any mods to the rudder, but it indeed was a while ago. > > The design was very much a development of the 27. > > Once we started being able to actual 'compare' the stability of > different designs- it turns out the 30 is the most stable boat we ever did > . . . . . > > Listening to owners over the years, the boat is stable and tough > (indestructible) and will last forever . . . . . > > > > Cheers, Rob. C 34 > > > >> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:56 PM, rick bushie > wrote: > >> > >> I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a > few years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number > (30 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone > mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve > balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. > >> > >> Rick Bushie > >> Anchovy, 1971 30-1 > >> Tolchester, MD > >>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > ___ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article
What about the 32 (1982)? We love it, raised our kids on it, and had a lot of fun club racing it. Chose the 32 over a 29 because of where the traveler was and the fact we had small kids at the time. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Mike Macdonald via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:41 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Mike Macdonald; rick bushie; Rob Ball Subject: Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article Got to agree with that Rob. Have a 29 mk1 now and love it but there are times I miss the 30. Wound say the 25mk1 was also very stable. But a bit wetter sometimes lol Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Rob Ball via CnC-List > wrote: > > Rick, > The C 30 was my first Lines Drawing, but it was Big George telling me what > to do. > I don't remember any mods to the rudder, but it indeed was a while ago. > The design was very much a development of the 27. > Once we started being able to actual 'compare' the stability of different > designs- it turns out the 30 is the most stable boat we ever did . . . . . > Listening to owners over the years, the boat is stable and tough > (indestructible) and will last forever . . . . . > > Cheers, Rob. C 34 > >> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:56 PM, rick bushie wrote: >> >> I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a few >> years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number (30 >> 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone >> mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve >> balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. >> >> Rick Bushie >> Anchovy, 1971 30-1 >> Tolchester, MD >>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >>> >> >> >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article
> Thanx for responding Rob! I think it was one of the listers who claimed that > #1 went to Hinterholler and he himself had the rudder modified for balance. > The only unique feature on Anchovy is a pair of aluminum struts stretching > from the main bulkhead to knees a little aft that the chainplates bolt > to…bulletproof. I’ve seen only one other 30-1 that has this upgrade. She is > indeed stiff! I’ve never had to reef. Good thing too, ‘cause once she gets > the bit in her teeth, there’s no leaving the tiller! …and thanx Ken for the great article. Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1 Tolchester, MD > On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:41 AM, Mike Macdonald > wrote: > > Got to agree with that Rob. Have a 29 mk1 now and love it but there are times > I miss the 30. Wound say the 25mk1 was also very stable. But a bit wetter > sometimes lol > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Rob Ball via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> Rick, >> The C 30 was my first Lines Drawing, but it was Big George telling me what >> to do. >> I don't remember any mods to the rudder, but it indeed was a while ago. >> The design was very much a development of the 27. >> Once we started being able to actual 'compare' the stability of different >> designs- it turns out the 30 is the most stable boat we ever did . . . . . >> Listening to owners over the years, the boat is stable and tough >> (indestructible) and will last forever . . . . . >> >> Cheers, Rob. C 34 >> >>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:56 PM, rick bushie wrote: >>> >>> I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a few >>> years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number >>> (30 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone >>> mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve >>> balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. >>> >>> Rick Bushie >>> Anchovy, 1971 30-1 >>> Tolchester, MD On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article
Got to agree with that Rob. Have a 29 mk1 now and love it but there are times I miss the 30. Wound say the 25mk1 was also very stable. But a bit wetter sometimes lol Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:37 AM, Rob Ball via CnC-List > wrote: > > Rick, > The C 30 was my first Lines Drawing, but it was Big George telling me what > to do. > I don't remember any mods to the rudder, but it indeed was a while ago. > The design was very much a development of the 27. > Once we started being able to actual 'compare' the stability of different > designs- it turns out the 30 is the most stable boat we ever did . . . . . > Listening to owners over the years, the boat is stable and tough > (indestructible) and will last forever . . . . . > > Cheers, Rob. C 34 > >> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:56 PM, rick bushie wrote: >> >> I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a few >> years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number >> (30 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone >> mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve >> balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. >> >> Rick Bushie >> Anchovy, 1971 30-1 >> Tolchester, MD >>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >>> >> >> >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article
Rick, The C 30 was my first Lines Drawing, but it was Big George telling me what to do. I don't remember any mods to the rudder, but it indeed was a while ago. The design was very much a development of the 27. Once we started being able to actual 'compare' the stability of different designs- it turns out the 30 is the most stable boat we ever did . . . . . Listening to owners over the years, the boat is stable and tough (indestructible) and will last forever . . . . . Cheers, Rob. C 34 > On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:56 PM, rick bushie wrote: > > I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a few > years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number > (30 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone > mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve > balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. > > Rick Bushie > Anchovy, 1971 30-1 > Tolchester, MD >> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
I see over and over that the 30-1 started life in 1973. We discussed a few years ago that maybe Anchovy was hull #1 due to the hull placard number(30 1 71N) on the inside of her transom. Also, i seem to remember someone mentioning the rudder on #1 being modified ahead of the stock to improve balance. I’m beginning to doubt Anchovy’s pedigree. I need a hug. Rick Bushie Anchovy, 1971 30-1 Tolchester, MD > On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Hi Dave, I'm no expert but the Viking 33 is definitely a C design but it first went into production at Ontario Yachts in 1971 while Rob Ball was still cutting his teeth as an up and coming designer in C's office. Rob didn't become Chief of Design at C until 1973 so we don't attribute that one to Rob. The Viking 33 is listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%26C_Yachts#C_designed_sailboats_(for_other_manufacturers) ... with an article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_33 Same with the Newport 27 series of boats. Certainly the 27 Mk.1 is a C design but it went out the door in 1970 so we can't give that one to Rob, and it has that early swept keel and 'scimitar' rudder of the earlier C's. Apparently it is essentially a C 27 Mk.1 hull with a different deck and interior. The others, the 27S (1974), the 27 Mk.3 (1975), and the 27s Mk.2 (1982) might have been Rob's. I'll let him comment on those as I don't really know that the difference is between them all. they seem to have a different hull (at least keel and rudder) that any of the C's in the 27' range. Ken H. On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 13:34, Dave. via CnC-List wrote: > Interesting stuff. Great to learn that the 33 was Rob’s first complete > design for C It’s a great design and is fast on the race course. > Also, in the list attributed to the C team I saw no mention of the > Viking 33 nor the Newport 27 which I believe were C designs. Am I right? > Dave. > 1975 C 33 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Ken, that's awesome stuff; thank you for the compilation; this should be > posted on the Photo Album; I know there are parts of it and some of the > cited articles are already there, but this should be also; > > as a personal note; I believe that Wikipedia is in error by not > attributing the 37 as a Rob Ball design; I cannot find anything that leads > me to believe it is not Rob's work, unless, of course he has stated such... > > Thanks again > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River,Mile 596 > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: Ken Heaton > Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2018 10:40 am > Subject: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert > W. Ball > > Hello List, > > As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball > (mostly as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was > created to explain who he is. > > So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball > > Please have a look when you have a few minutes, > > Ken Heaton > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Very nice read with a coffee! Rob Ball you’re a living legend! /John > On Dec 15, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Ken Heaton wrote: > > Hello List, > > As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball (mostly > as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was created to > explain who he is. > > So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball > > Please have a look when you have a few minutes, > > Ken Heaton > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Interesting stuff. Great to learn that the 33 was Rob’s first complete design for C It’s a great design and is fast on the race course. Also, in the list attributed to the C team I saw no mention of the Viking 33 nor the Newport 27 which I believe were C designs. Am I right? Dave. 1975 C 33 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List > wrote: > > Ken, that's awesome stuff; thank you for the compilation; this should be > posted on the Photo Album; I know there are parts of it and some of the cited > articles are already there, but this should be also; > > as a personal note; I believe that Wikipedia is in error by not attributing > the 37 as a Rob Ball design; I cannot find anything that leads me to believe > it is not Rob's work, unless, of course he has stated such... > > Thanks again > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River,Mile 596 > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: Ken Heaton > Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2018 10:40 am > Subject: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. > Ball > > Hello List, > > As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball (mostly > as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was created to > explain who he is. > > So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball > > Please have a look when you have a few minutes, > > Ken Heaton > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Hello Richard, "I believe that Wikipedia is in error by not attributing the 37 as a Rob Ball design" I agree, at that point in C's history when this yacht was designed and introduced Robert W. Ball was Chief of Design, George Culbertson was company president and no longer in the design office. George was still involved and Rob certainly consulted his opinions, But George was not at the drawing board. ...so I just corrected those entries in Wikipedia. Now I'll have to get SailboatData to fix that error too. Ken H. On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 12:27, Richard Bush wrote: > Ken, that's awesome stuff; thank you for the compilation; this should be > posted on the Photo Album; I know there are parts of it and some of the > cited articles are already there, but this should be also; > > as a personal note; I believe that Wikipedia is in error by not > attributing the 37 as a Rob Ball design; I cannot find anything that leads > me to believe it is not Rob's work, unless, of course he has stated such... > > Thanks again > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River,Mile 596 > > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: Ken Heaton > Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2018 10:40 am > Subject: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert > W. Ball > > Hello List, > > As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball > (mostly as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was > created to explain who he is. > > So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball > > Please have a look when you have a few minutes, > > Ken Heaton > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Ken, that's awesome stuff; thank you for the compilation; this should be posted on the Photo Album; I know there are parts of it and some of the cited articles are already there, but this should be also; as a personal note; I believe that Wikipedia is in error by not attributing the 37 as a Rob Ball design; I cannot find anything that leads me to believe it is not Rob's work, unless, of course he has stated such... Thanks again Richard s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River,Mile 596 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List To: cnc-list Cc: Ken Heaton Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2018 10:40 am Subject: Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball Hello List, As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball (mostly as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was created to explain who he is. So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball Please have a look when you have a few minutes, Ken Heaton S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Saturday morning reading - Wikipedia Article - Robert W. Ball
Hello List, As there are now over 100 article in Wikipedia that mention Rob Ball (mostly as yacht designer at C Yachts) I felt it was time an entry was created to explain who he is. So now there is a short article about Robert W. Ball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Ball Please have a look when you have a few minutes, Ken Heaton S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
