Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
I had to replace the 2gm15 diesel in my CC 30 within the first year of owning the boat. I am in no way a mechanic. I got the boat for $2,500.00 bucks and knew it had some issues. I took it on as a project boat. The boat had been sitting in the saltwater for 5 years unattended without flushing out the saltwater. The little 2 cylinder yanmar ran for 22 hrs and died. I shopped around and found a low hour 2GM20F on E-Bay. I removed the old engine and installed the newer one using my boom and a com-a-long. It was easy-peasy. It took some time and some learning as I went. But I got it done and the engine cost $2,500. That's right as much as the boat! But now I have a great little engine and a fantastic Boat. I now have a skill set in which I can help others or myself if I ever need to use it. I would suggest the DIY projects are not near as hard as they seem. I know you can save a bundle of loot. We all could use more cruising kitty. I say snatch it out and have it rebuilt or pick up a good used one and install it yourself. Good luck. On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One more thing nobody mentioned yet. With the outboard we had, my wife could not, even if our lives depended on that, drop the motor down (you had to lift it a bit first) and start it (pull start). Even if yours is complaining (or unhappy) with your current flaky A4, trust me, she will be much less happy with the outboard. I know, there are better brackets and there are electric start motors, but the inboard provides (normally) much more reliable and (readily available) power. I solved the problem by moving to a bigger boat (as Kim below), but that's another story. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kim Brown via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 6:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard I have had both. FWIW I would never go back to Outboard. My Catalina 27 had a 15hp and was pretty well designed for it. Transom had a cut out in the middle and the motor simply tilted up into this cut out- no bracket. There was room on either side for a 5 gal gas can. There was enough power(note this was a 15hp and not the 9.9 suggested) but chop was a problem as the prop would come out of the water. And it didn't have electric start so you had to pull the cord to start it in a very awkward position. If you go with an outboard you'll likely be stuck with a bracket. With some bracket installations (and a well installation on a Henderson 30 I sailed on) you are starting the motor with it in the air and then dropping it down so it has access to cooling water. Again very awkward positions to start if using a pull cord. You will be likely limited on motor size by the weight limit of the bracket so pay attention. You can get it to work but you are just trading one set of issues for another. If you simply use the motor to get out of the harbor on nice days or to the race course, it is certainly viable. If you just race- get a 3.5HP and take it off before the start and stow below if your PHRF allows;-) If you cruise and motor extensively then the drawbacks will increase- cavitating in chop; undersized HP (due to weight concerns); limited battery charging. And as others have alluded the cost comparison needs to include any needed transom reinforcement; the bracket; motor; remote controls (you really don't want to be adjusting throttle and shifting by reaching over the transom); and removing the old running gear and plugging the shaft hole. Good luck I know how frustrating a flaky motor can be. In my case I solved it by buying a bigger boat with a diesel... Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
If the engine die randomly while under motor and you have gone through four coils you may have a problem similar to what I have fixed on a couple of Atomic 4s. Check the wire that comes out of the distributor to the coil. You will need to remove the distributor cap, undo the 90 degree connector on the points and the connector on the coil. Tightly hook up an ohm meter to the wire, then bend - pull - yank the wire to see if the reading jumps. If it does it is likely damaged right at the point were the wire exits the distributor. Coils are normally pretty reliable, as long as you have an internal ballasted coil or are using the correct external resistor. Going through more than one in light usage is suspicious. However, removing and replacing the coil does bend the distributor wire and it may work again for a while. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 23:26:04 -0700 From: Paul and Darlene Clarke dpcla...@shaw.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List follow-up on outboards Message-ID: 0904ed3c-fc2b-48c0-8521-48ef24bb1...@shaw.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 First of all, thanks to everyone for your input. Much appreciated. I?ve not posted very often, but have lurked for years, and I respect the voices of the familiar. I sail out of Vancouver, British Columbia, and most of the cruising we do is local, in the summer. We have islands right in our back yard (so, my home waters are totally protected), or we will cross Georgia Strait (20-25 nautical miles) to get to the very protected Gulf Islands on the east side of Vancouver Island. Last year we went north up Georgia Strait for 50 or 60 miles to Pender Harbour and crossed to Texada Island and back over 10 days or so. I?ve sailed and raced since I was a teen, and this part of the world, in the summer anyway, is usually pretty ?Pacific?. In general, we?re looking for breeze in the summer, not trying to shelter from too much (although that can happen, of course, in which case you hole up for a day or three and conduct scientific experiments on the efficacy of various single malt whiskeys); I bought a North light air gennaker the year we bought the boat, and thank goodness I did, because it?s seen lots of use here in the Pacific SouthWest (as we Canadian s refer to it); crossing the Strait is similar to coastal sailing where the C C hull proves again and again it is very sea kindly. I have only used the engine because there is zero wind, hence little or no waves. When there is breeze, we sail! And of course, motoring into most slips is required. What led me to ask about outboards is that every year for the last 5, we have departed on summer vacations and ended up being stranded somewhere with Atomic 4 issues. Spinning around in circles at the whim of the tidal currents in zero wind with wife and kids aboard is not fun. I?ve sat at distant docks twice for several days trying to troubleshoot/ wait for a mechanic. I?m not a mechanic, and it is increasingly hard to find mechanics that are familiar with this older design. I guess I was thinking a 40+ year old engine, even one that is being regularly maintained, has more surprises up its sleeve than I am used to. If it wasn?t for the Moyer web site, I?d be completely in the dark. The issues around its ignition coil alone has mystified better men than me, as the long-as-your-arm threads on the Moyer Marine forum devoted just to this one issue would attest. I think I?m on coil # 5, and have plumbed the depths of 2 qualified mechanics over the years, and the problems just won?t get s olved. Three years ago I had to rely on the goodwill of a fellow boater to tow us in after sitting 2 miles off our holiday destination as the sun was setting in zero wind. Two years ago after spending days with a mechanic, the engine died again, and I had to push my C C home using my Avon with a 4 hp kicker. This year? well, notwithstanding tune-ups, mechanic time, etc., running it at the dock weekly, the engine lasted an hour into our first day before announcing it had had enough. Started again later, as it often does, but not quite the reliability I had in mind. We sailed onto our anchorage that afternoon, and the next day sailed off the hook, but I can?t sail into my home slip. I can see why a newly rebuilt engine has appeal, but we?re not wealthy, so spending up to 10 K on a new engine, installed, would be more than the boat is worth, and not something we can afford. The downsides of an outboard as I gather from your collective responses are: 1) cavitation in waves which means not sufficient oomph in a seaway if you have to get anywhere under engine. 2) not pretty 3) not in the original design 4) not cheap (just less expensive than the alternative) 5) can be annoying hanging over the transom raising/lowering the transom mounting bracket 6) might not supply enough electricity to run house
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
I have BTDT with coil failures. There was a ton of research done on Moyer and it is a solved problem now. I have had exactly *zero* issues in about 200-300 hours since I put the rebuilt A4 in. For a while I thought I was going nuts because everyone swore my setup should work fine and meanwhile I wouldn’t leave the dock without an extra coil because I knew I would need it. As for $10,000 – a rebuilt exchange A4 is $4800. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Have you considered electric? It really comes down to how much you motor vs. sail. A 27 would be a prime target for electric - either a bolt on pod or a motor mounted where the a4 is. Personally I just hate the look of outboards hanging off the transom so am willing to go to extremes to avoid it. John Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Take a look at mastervolt.com No firsthand experience with them but look very interesting. No cheap. John Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
My 27 came new as an outboard boat, so I can't tell you much about converting. However, as far as which outboard motor to select, I have a very strong preference for the Yamaha 9.9 High Thrust model. Most outboards marketed for sailboats, are essentially a longshaft version of the manufacturer's regular motor. The Yamaha High Thrust, however, spins a big, deep pitched, propeller at lower speeds. It's like having your own personal tugboat along. In calm conditions, it will push the boat near hull speed at less than quarter throttle. You can carry on a conversation in the cockpit without raising your voice. When the going gets tough, the difference in motors comes down to how fast you recover after being slowed or stopped by waves. You want low end grunt, not a tiny whizzer of a prop spinning uselessly at high revs. I've been on plenty of boats with other outboards, and none of them really are in the same league as far as I'm concerned. Bill Bina On 8/4/2014 1:28 PM, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
would you be buying a new outboard? If you swap that inboard out for a moyer exchange engine and you do the work yourself you could have a brand new updated fuel injected engine for about $5000. The moyer exchange engine comes with all the cool little update they offer on the site too. The extended knurled bolts on the water pump, the extended mixture screw on the carburetor, the oil change kit, electric fuel pump...etc. And it is a direct swap. while you have the old one out you could run new fuel lines ans repack the stuffing box. A new 10hp outboard will run you about $3000 all said and done I'd bet. I did the moyer exchange a 3 years ago. That thing runs amazing right now. I had a 10hp outboard on my O'day 22 and it was a bit of a pain to handle around the docks. It becomes another thing that needs your attention while trying to maneuver while under power in my opinion. I bet you would be a lot happier in the long run if you had a good running A4. I can't tell you how pleased I am with my engine right now! Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 10:28:46 -0700 My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we#65533;ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we#65533;ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard#65533; hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Where do you sail, and how do you use your aux power? My experience with outboard aux power on sailboat's = great for lighter displacement boats getting in and out of sheltered moorage. Here in the PNW outboards are used often on Olsen 30's and other lightweight boats in the 27' range. I rarely see them out rough weather unless it is a race. When headed in after a windy race the sound of an outboard engine's RPM going up then back down as they attempt to motor into the marina is common. One of the major issues if you use the outboard in any kind of interesting wind or sea conditions is the propeller will cavitate or completely be lifted out of the water as the boat pitches. A very log shaft outboard may mitigate the cavitation issue most of the time, but if the foo hits the fan you may not be able to rely on the aux power to drive forward in larger seas. On the plus side, if you add the outboard and retain the ability to steer it independently it can be used as a stern thruster. Back in the 80's I spent a lot of time crewing on and delivering a J-24. With small outboard used as a stern thruster I could single-hand the boat through the Ballard Locks and parallel park in crowded guest moorage. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 10:29 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we've had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we've been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard... hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
I've owned sailboats powered by both outboards and inboards and can say that the inboard is hands down a better choice. I strongly encourage you to fix what you have or repower with a moyer. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 4, 2014 1:29 PM, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we've had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we've been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard... hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
It boils down to your preferences: Outboard: - can help in tight spots (as many said - it can be used almost as a stern thruster) - easier to maintain - lift it off and take it to a place where they will fix it or do it in the comfort of your garage. Access is substantially easier. - no holes in the hull - limited HP. You will probably go for a 9.9 HP. For a 27 ft. boat, I would like to have more. On my 27 ft. boat I have 18 HP (diesel). - cavitation in waves - the more you need the motor (e.g. in a stormy situation) the less power it delivers; On my CC 24 with outboard, the prop was out of the water regularly in under 3 ft. waves. - difficult control - unless you make proper modifications and have the motor controls at the pedestal (or if you have the tiller, inside the cockpit) you will have a fun time steering and adjusting revs and fwd/reverse behind you. Can be done, but it is tricky (at least different). - reverse is only so-so (the hanger is designed for pushing the boat, not pulling) - hangs off the stern (protrudes farther back, limits where you can have a swim ladder, adds weight behind) - limited capacity of the alternator for charging batteries Inboard: - out of the way (where it belongs) - usually quieter - usually more HP, plenty to spare for rough conditions. - much better ability to run a alternator to charge your batteries - ability to have warm water (if you have a heater) - maintenance more complex and substantially more expensive - you have to deal with through-hulls (raw water), exhaust, muffler, heat exchanger, mixing elbows etc. - you have a packing gland or dripless seal around the shaft to deal with Having moved to a inboard power boat 2 years ago, I would not go back, even if I am getting frustrated at times at the more maintenance and more difficult access. I never maintained my outboard myself; it was easy enough to drop it off at the Yamaha dealer; and it was cheap. Now I do all my maintenance myself (very few mechanics would want to drop by and if they do, it costs a lot). I can't say I save money, but it requires more time and I have to learn new skills (and made a few mistakes). YMMV Marek -Original Message- From: Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 1:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
I would go the outboard route if the boat is under sail 95% of the time and motoring is just getting in and out of a slip and you NEVER need to get upwind in a blow. Having graduated from outboard engines long ago, it seems the r-R-r-RR of an outboard rising and falling in a chop is still imprinted in my mind. It was child abuse! If your A4 is beat beyond repair a new one is around $5,000 or so +/-. I did some Craigslist scrounging and got an excellent late model A4 rebuilt by a ship's engineer for $1500. It has been running perfect since I got it :) I would HIGHLY suggest getting on the Moyer Marine site if you are not already. Many an unreliable A4 has been brought back to good health on that site. This might fit your boat: http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4580229647.html As might this: http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/4586757894.html Buy this and then sell the boat LOL. You can find ones like this to work on: http://porthuron.craigslist.org/boa/4566274433.html Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Looking at all the wonderful $5-7000 suggestions. how bad is your A4? Does it need an infusion of the auxiliary stuff, like fuel injection instead of the carb and an electronic ignition? Or is the block/head/and so forth all history??? I would think if you have been getting nickled and dimed to death for years - a big in-place overhaul/update of a reasonably good A4 would be more economical than a 10hp outboard. If you are looking for doing it on the cheap with a used outboard, then you will have to put up with a few problems. 1. The behavior in the chop is not good - you have a long boat and putting the motor on the back will bounce it in and out of the water a bunch I am on a J-24 and a J-80 and they are both afflicted with prop spinning disease. 2. The torque vs. hp situation - a regular outboard in the 10hp range is not built to push 5000 pounds, it is usually pushing about 1000. The alternative of the high torque motor is expensive. 3. The pain in the a.. of having to hang over the stern to either raise the motor or tilt it on a little boat like the J-24, it is a bother to raise the motor mount (35 pound motor!) and then tilt it. On the 80 (26 feet and low transom) we just tilt it - easier. They don't make outboards with folding props.. If you want to get somewhat elegant, you could get rid of all the inboard stuff and put the outboard in a well - a couple of feet behind the keel and in front of the rudder. My friend's Thunderbird (26+ feet - 4500 pounds) has that arrangement and the motor slides up into the boat and a little trap door fits where it came from. Smooth, and keeps the spinning prop problem at a minimum. I would go for the overhaul. Gary - Original Message - From: Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Me three on that. The A4 is overall the best answer. -Original Message- From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-08-04 3:07 PM To: Paul and Darlene Clarke dpcla...@shaw.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard Looking at all the wonderful $5-7000 suggestions. how bad is your A4? Does it need an infusion of the auxiliary stuff, like fuel injection instead of the carb and an electronic ignition? Or is the block/head/and so forth all history??? I would think if you have been getting nickled and dimed to death for years - a big in-place overhaul/update of a reasonably good A4 would be more economical than a 10hp outboard. If you are looking for doing it on the cheap with a used outboard, then you will have to put up with a few problems. 1. The behavior in the chop is not good - you have a long boat and putting the motor on the back will bounce it in and out of the water a bunch I am on a J-24 and a J-80 and they are both afflicted with prop spinning disease. 2. The torque vs. hp situation - a regular outboard in the 10hp range is not built to push 5000 pounds, it is usually pushing about 1000. The alternative of the high torque motor is expensive. 3. The pain in the a.. of having to hang over the stern to either raise the motor or tilt it on a little boat like the J-24, it is a bother to raise the motor mount (35 pound motor!) and then tilt it. On the 80 (26 feet and low transom) we just tilt it - easier. They don't make outboards with folding props.. If you want to get somewhat elegant, you could get rid of all the inboard stuff and put the outboard in a well - a couple of feet behind the keel and in front of the rudder. My friend's Thunderbird (26+ feet - 4500 pounds) has that arrangement and the motor slides up into the boat and a little trap door fits where it came from. Smooth, and keeps the spinning prop problem at a minimum. I would go for the overhaul. Gary - Original Message - From: Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Elco makes a replacement electric inboard for the A4.Check their web site. Also Beta marine makes electric motors with A 4 mounts. Jerry Sent from my iPhone On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Ebay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Have you considered electric? It really comes down to how much you motor vs. sail. A 27 would be a prime target for electric - either a bolt on pod or a motor mounted where the a4 is. Personally I just hate the look of outboards hanging off the transom so am willing to go to extremes to avoid it. John Sent from my iPad On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Paul - All of the comments made so far are true. Which means, of
course, that you can do whatever you want to do. G
My 2 cents (here we go...)
There's a boat ('Willful Simplicity') who's been cruising the Sea of
Cortez for five years in a Catalina 27 with an outboard. They're doing
just fine, and are actually much better sailors because of it. They
sail when others motor or motor/sail, have learned to hug the coast when
necessary to sail upwind when the chop further out would stop them dead
in the water, and only run the engine when they have to. They did get
caught in a 50 knot chubasco a few years ago and ended up on the beach
because they didn't have the power to get off a lee shore, but you
probably won't encounter that where you're sailing.
No one mentioned the extra room you'll have. When I repowered my LF38,
I made a joke on this list about just putting a 40HP outboard on the
transom, because there was enough room under there to fit a full sized
mattress where the engine was and a beer cooler where the fuel tank
was. I decided to put a new diesel in, though, because I couldn't find
a place for a big screen TV.
But, really, if you do it, do it right. I saw an Ericson 27 who had
replaced the A4 with an outboard, but didn't bother to remove the prop
shaft, log, or do all of the other work needed to do the job right.
It's not just the cost of the motor, but also the bracket, reinforcement
of the transom to keep the boat structurally safe, and the
fiberglass/paint work to remove a big hole in the bottom of your boat.
Also, the bracket should be easy to use and rock solid, because some of
those fancy brackets have a little pin that can fail, and it's a real
drag when you go into anti-crash reverse and the outboard lifts the
bracket up and starts bouncing up and down, trying to do a physics
experiment by finding equilibrium between gravity, thrust and foamy water.
So, it's a trade-off. I'd do a bunch of homework and make two
spreadsheets and look at the bottom line.
Wal
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depending on how much time you have. i.e. if you were planning on next spring for this upgrade. You could rebuild this thing yourself with the help of the Afourians in the Moyer Marine forums. There is a pretty good thread over there recently where a guy did exactly that and it cost him like $800. He took lots of pics and got great advice on the thread. Between the forums and all the parts available, you could totally do it yourself. These engines are very simple flat-heads. I did the exchange because I wanted to go sailing at some point and it was May already when i found I needed a new engine. The PO left the raw salt water pump leaking for years and the entire back of the engine was a corroded mess. In saying that, it still ran!! LOL If you're in fresh water I bet that engine will come back nicely with a tear down and rebuild. -- Original Message -- From: John Irvin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:15:00 -0400 Me three on that. The A4 is overall the best answer.From: Gary Nylander via CnC-List Sent: lrm;2014-lrm;08-lrm;04 3:07 PM To: Paul and Darlene Clarke; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard Looking at all the wonderful $5-7000 suggestions. how bad is your A4? Does it need an infusion of the auxiliary stuff, like fuel injection instead of the carb and an electronic ignition? Or is the block/head/and so forth all history??? I would think if you have been getting nickled and dimed to death for years - a big in-place overhaul/update of a reasonably good A4 would be more economical than a 10hp outboard. If you are looking for doing it on the cheap with a used outboard, then you will have to put up with a few problems. 1. The behavior in the chop is not good - you have a long boat and putting the motor on the back will bounce it in and out of the water a bunch I am on a J-24 and a J-80 and they are both afflicted with prop spinning disease. 2. The torque vs. hp situation - a regular outboard in the 10hp range is not built to push 5000 pounds, it is usually pushing about 1000. The alternative of the high torque motor is expensive. 3. The pain in the a.. of having to hang over the stern to either raise the motor or tilt it on a little boat like the J-24, it is a bother to raise the motor mount (35 pound motor!) and then tilt it. On the 80 (26 feet and low transom) we just tilt it - easier. They don't make outboards with folding props.. If you want to get somewhat elegant, you could get rid of all the inboard stuff and put the outboard in a well - a couple of feet behind the keel and in front of the rudder. My friend's Thunderbird (26+ feet - 4500 pounds) has that arrangement and the motor slides up into the boat and a little trap door fits where it came from. Smooth, and keeps the spinning prop problem at a minimum. I would go for the overhaul. Gary - Original Message - From: Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which wersquo;ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year wersquo;ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboardhellip; hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Consider a sail drive...I had a volvo 2 cylinder gas saildrive that had a honda top end in my CC 24...forward and reverse on the throttle lever if I remember correct (that was 25 years ago) and I had a 2 blade Volvo geared folding prop on the bottom end which was the Volvo part of the saildrive...that little engine worked great and was much nicer than a nearby Niagara 26 with an outboard motor hanging off the stern...who really likes the look of an outboard motor aux power unit hanging off the stern of a sailboat...even if the prop stays in the water in a busy sea Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List Sent: August 4, 2014 2:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we've had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we've been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard. hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7972 - Release Date: 08/03/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Replacement A4 for big boat $1500. Replacement outboard for dinghy $1200. Both found on Craigslist. Granted I got an extraordinarily good deal on the engine, but I worked CL to get it. I searched for A4s every day and contacted the seller within hours of the ad going up and told him I was going directly to his house with cash after work. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
I just caught up with this. I have had both outboard and inboard powered boats. The least annoying ones to operate were the inboards. The memory of hanging over the transom between the pushpit rails and fiddling with a recalcitrant motor bracket or reluctant outboard motor still annoys me. The CC 27 was designed around an inboard engine which provides some 300 lbs of ballast and helps make the boat the fine sail boat it is. If that were removed and 150 lbs of outboard and bracket glued to the stern, I think the boat's dynamics would change. Maybe for the better, but I'm a sceptic. I faced a defunct motor two years ago and, once I decided, it was relatively easy to haul it out of the boat, strip it down and take it to a rebuild shop. It cost about 2K for parts and 2K for labour, ⅓ to ¼ of the cost of replacing it. It now has new pistons, rings, bearings, valves and a rebuilt fuel management system. Runs like a charm. Total cost, about $4K. If you know a anyone in the community college circuit, they are often looking for small engines to rebuild as classroom projects. That could save you a large bit of the cost of a rebuild; the labour. And it will give you considerable satisfaction knowing you have a sound engine on board and it's as the builder intended. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38. 1981 Halifax, NS On Aug 4, 2014, at 14:28, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
No one has suggested Plan C - Buy another (bigger) boat! Seriously, a very good discussion. Joel On Monday, August 4, 2014, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I just caught up with this. I have had both outboard and inboard powered boats. The least annoying ones to operate were the inboards. The memory of hanging over the transom between the pushpit rails and fiddling with a recalcitrant motor bracket or reluctant outboard motor still annoys me. The CC 27 was designed around an inboard engine which provides some 300 lbs of ballast and helps make the boat the fine sail boat it is. If that were removed and 150 lbs of outboard and bracket glued to the stern, I think the boat's dynamics would change. Maybe for the better, but I'm a sceptic. I faced a defunct motor two years ago and, once I decided, it was relatively easy to haul it out of the boat, strip it down and take it to a rebuild shop. It cost about 2K for parts and 2K for labour, ⅓ to ¼ of the cost of replacing it. It now has new pistons, rings, bearings, valves and a rebuilt fuel management system. Runs like a charm. Total cost, about $4K. If you know a anyone in the community college circuit, they are often looking for small engines to rebuild as classroom projects. That could save you a large bit of the cost of a rebuild; the labour. And it will give you considerable satisfaction knowing you have a sound engine on board and it's as the builder intended. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38. 1981 Halifax, NS On Aug 4, 2014, at 14:28, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:; wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
Rich, I think some others don't feel you are a skeptic. A friend took the inboard one cylinder diesel out of his Andrews 26 (it died, no parts available) and replaced it with an outboard. He got a three second addition to his PHRF. We couldn't understand until someone mentioned ballast - down low verses in the back. Gary - Original Message - From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List To: Rich Knowles ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard No one has suggested Plan C - Buy another (bigger) boat! Seriously, a very good discussion. Joel On Monday, August 4, 2014, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I just caught up with this. I have had both outboard and inboard powered boats. The least annoying ones to operate were the inboards. The memory of hanging over the transom between the pushpit rails and fiddling with a recalcitrant motor bracket or reluctant outboard motor still annoys me. The CC 27 was designed around an inboard engine which provides some 300 lbs of ballast and helps make the boat the fine sail boat it is. If that were removed and 150 lbs of outboard and bracket glued to the stern, I think the boat's dynamics would change. Maybe for the better, but I'm a sceptic. I faced a defunct motor two years ago and, once I decided, it was relatively easy to haul it out of the boat, strip it down and take it to a rebuild shop. It cost about 2K for parts and 2K for labour, ⅓ to ¼ of the cost of replacing it. It now has new pistons, rings, bearings, valves and a rebuilt fuel management system. Runs like a charm. Total cost, about $4K. If you know a anyone in the community college circuit, they are often looking for small engines to rebuild as classroom projects. That could save you a large bit of the cost of a rebuild; the labour. And it will give you considerable satisfaction knowing you have a sound engine on board and it's as the builder intended. Rich Knowles INDIGO LF38. 1981 Halifax, NS On Aug 4, 2014, at 14:28, Paul and Darlene Clarke via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are beginning to think it may be time to convert our C C 27, which we’ve had for 5 years, to a transom-mounted outboard engine from its original (1972) Atomic 4. Any listers have experience with a project like this, advice, or suggestions? The boat is sound, of course, as is the rig and sails, but the A4 engine is requiring infusions of $$ every year, and is not reliable. Every year we’ve been scuppered, and I want reliability without the cost of a new inboard… hence the idea to try the outboard route. Thoughts? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I have had both. FWIW I would never go back to Outboard. My Catalina 27 had a 15hp and was pretty well designed for it. Transom had a cut out in the middle and the motor simply tilted up into this cut out- no bracket. There was room on either side for a 5 gal gas can. There was enough power(note this was a 15hp and not the 9.9 suggested) but chop was a problem as the prop would come out of the water. And it didn't have electric start so you had to pull the cord to start it in a very awkward position. If you go with an outboard you'll likely be stuck with a bracket. With some bracket installations (and a well installation on a Henderson 30 I sailed on) you are starting the motor with it in the air and then dropping it down so it has access to cooling water. Again very awkward positions to start if using a pull cord. You will be likely limited on motor size by the weight limit of the bracket so pay attention. You can get it to work but you are just trading one set of issues for another. If you simply use the motor to get out of the harbor on nice days or to the race course, it is certainly viable. If you just race- get a 3.5HP and take it off before the start and stow below if your PHRF allows;-) If you cruise and motor extensively then the drawbacks will increase- cavitating in chop; undersized HP (due to weight concerns); limited battery charging. And as others have alluded the cost comparison needs to include any needed transom reinforcement; the bracket; motor; remote controls (you really don't want to be adjusting throttle and shifting by reaching over the transom); and removing the old running gear and plugging the shaft hole. Good luck I know how frustrating a flaky motor can be. In my case I solved it by buying a bigger boat with a diesel... Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard
One more thing nobody mentioned yet. With the outboard we had, my wife could not, even if our lives depended on that, drop the motor down (you had to lift it a bit first) and start it (pull start). Even if yours is complaining (or unhappy) with your current flaky A4, trust me, she will be much less happy with the outboard. I know, there are better brackets and there are electric start motors, but the inboard provides (normally) much more reliable and (readily available) power. I solved the problem by moving to a bigger boat (as Kim below), but that's another story. Marek -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kim Brown via CnC-List Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 6:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on repowering with outboard I have had both. FWIW I would never go back to Outboard. My Catalina 27 had a 15hp and was pretty well designed for it. Transom had a cut out in the middle and the motor simply tilted up into this cut out- no bracket. There was room on either side for a 5 gal gas can. There was enough power(note this was a 15hp and not the 9.9 suggested) but chop was a problem as the prop would come out of the water. And it didn't have electric start so you had to pull the cord to start it in a very awkward position. If you go with an outboard you'll likely be stuck with a bracket. With some bracket installations (and a well installation on a Henderson 30 I sailed on) you are starting the motor with it in the air and then dropping it down so it has access to cooling water. Again very awkward positions to start if using a pull cord. You will be likely limited on motor size by the weight limit of the bracket so pay attention. You can get it to work but you are just trading one set of issues for another. If you simply use the motor to get out of the harbor on nice days or to the race course, it is certainly viable. If you just race- get a 3.5HP and take it off before the start and stow below if your PHRF allows;-) If you cruise and motor extensively then the drawbacks will increase- cavitating in chop; undersized HP (due to weight concerns); limited battery charging. And as others have alluded the cost comparison needs to include any needed transom reinforcement; the bracket; motor; remote controls (you really don't want to be adjusting throttle and shifting by reaching over the transom); and removing the old running gear and plugging the shaft hole. Good luck I know how frustrating a flaky motor can be. In my case I solved it by buying a bigger boat with a diesel... Kim Brown Trust Me!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
