Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Not sure how a piece of line would keep a furled sail flat, as it should
be. I see the wisdom of a foam luff. I regularly see furled sailed in highs
winds with a big belly to them, exactly what you don't want cf course. If I
were buying a new sail, I would definitely have  a foam luff or plan on
head sail changes when the wind pipes, which is what we do.

KD

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:59 PM sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My sail maker sewed a piece of line into a pocket instead of using foam.
> His thinking is that the line will never collapse.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Frederick G Street via CnC-List  wrote:
> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and
> would like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a
> foam luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
> be ideal.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> — Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

get the foam luff if you intend to sail with the jib
furled...otherwise get a 110% and enjoy sailing
Dwight Veinot
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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
 wrote:
> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would
> like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam
> luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
> be ideal.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> — Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
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Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[robert via CnC-List]

Fred:
 I got a new Doyle 135%  8.3 oz dacron.I specifically ordered a 
foam luff.the sail maker, whom I know personally, ignored my request 
and left out the foam luff.said the sail would work fine with out 
it.  If I didn't like it he would take the sail back and put it on.


Do I miss it, no.can I furl the sail down to 100% - 110%..no 
problem at all.


Just my experience!

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.




On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> wrote:


I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38,
and would like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra
$$$ for a foam luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on
furling, knowing that regardless of the foam luff (or not), a
furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.

Thoughts?

— Fred



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
WI   :^(




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Stus-List To foam or not to foam

[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

Hi FredI have sailed in 30k winds with just a furled jibwonderful, 
comfortable sailing.  A partial jib alone is a great sail planas long as 
you don't need to point and and the mast isn't pumpingthe mainsail supports 
the mast...if needed--==>Spencer1894 Landfall 38 "Alegria"


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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:13:10 -0400
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I too elected to get the rope.  The nice thing is that it is easily removed
and replaced/reduced/increased.  It is also more flexible so it will not
hold a shape and will articulate with the sail fabric betted.  Just my
observations and opinion.  I've had 1 new sails with foam,  an old sail
with rope and a new sail with rope.

The rope or the foam is designed to take up the belly of the sail when its
fuelled.  Without it the sail will act as though it is blown out while
close hulled.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Mar 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I?m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and
> would like everyone?s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a
> foam luff.  In the past, I haven?t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail?s shape isn?t going to
> be ideal.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ? Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
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I have a UK tapedrive 144 with foam.? When furled it is smooth and clean right 
down to 100.? I can't speak to dacron.? But if done right it makes sense to me. 
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Evening Star 
Pentwater, Mi 

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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:16:33 -0400
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My foam luff never collapsed in 12 years of my use and the sail was 20 years 
old when I retired it.

Bob Boyer


Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 4:58 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> My sail maker sewed a piece of line into a pocket instead of using foam. His 
> thinking is that the line will never collapse. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
&

Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Add the foam luff.  Its better than not having it, even if its imperfect.

Joel

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I liked my foam luff a lot.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick
> G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
> *Subject:* Stus-List To foam or not to foam...
>
>
>
> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and
> would like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a
> foam luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
> be ideal.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Oh, Dennis, you’re such a contrarian…   :^)

This is why I love this list!

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:38 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think much of the foam luff on my cruising 155%.  I probably wouldn't 
> do it again, especially for a 135.
> 
> Dennis C.

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Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff.  
In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of the 
foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.

Thoughts?

— Fred



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I was talked out of adding the foam luff when I order my sail. I wanted to have 
it and my sailmaker recommended against it. I don’t miss it one bit. It is a 
135% and I fairly regularly sail furled down to about 90%.

 

Just my $0.02.

 

Marek

1994 C270 “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:31
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street <f...@postaudio.net>
Subject: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

 

I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff.  
In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of the 
foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.

 

Thoughts?

 

— Fred

 


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[William Walker via CnC-List]

I have a UK tapedrive 144 with foam.  When furled it is smooth and clean right 
down to 100.  I can't speak to dacron.  But if done right it makes sense to me. 
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Evening Star 
Pentwater, Mi 

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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I don't think much of the foam luff on my cruising 155%.  I probably
wouldn't do it again, especially for a 135.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and
> would like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a
> foam luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
> be ideal.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> — Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

My sail maker sewed a piece of line into a pocket instead of using foam. His 
thinking is that the line will never collapse. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Frederick G Street via CnC-List  wrote: 
I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff.  
In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of the 
foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.

Thoughts?

— Fred



Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I have had a foam luff in my last 135 for 10 years and loved it.  I ordered the 
same in my new headsail.  It seems like you can furl it down to about 100% 
without losing much shape.  I would definitely go with the foam luff!

Bob

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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
> like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff. 
>  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of 
> the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> — Fred
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I too elected to get the rope.  The nice thing is that it is easily removed
and replaced/reduced/increased.  It is also more flexible so it will not
hold a shape and will articulate with the sail fabric betted.  Just my
observations and opinion.  I've had 1 new sails with foam,  an old sail
with rope and a new sail with rope.

The rope or the foam is designed to take up the belly of the sail when its
fuelled.  Without it the sail will act as though it is blown out while
close hulled.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Mar 17, 2016 12:32 PM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and
> would like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a
> foam luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
> be ideal.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> — Fred
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
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[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

My foam luff never collapsed in 12 years of my use and the sail was 20 years 
old when I retired it.

Bob Boyer


Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 4:58 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My sail maker sewed a piece of line into a pocket instead of using foam. His 
> thinking is that the line will never collapse. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
>  Frederick G Street via CnC-List  wrote: 
> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
> like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff. 
>  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of 
> the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> — Fred
> 
> 
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
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In my opinion, a 150 is too much sail for a LF38 in most conditions.

Bob

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> On Mar 17, 2016, at 9:21 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Have to agree.  For my area, I’ve been a huge fan of 120 + main for cruising. 
>  On a landfall the 135 may be the better option and I would probably pass on 
> either foam or rope. I’m basing that on the assumption that the landfall will 
> reef later than most but I’ve never sailed one so don’t really know.  At 150 
> I would definitely go with something to take up the extra fabric but would 
> let the sailmaker decide between the two options.  Both work well so it’s 
> whatever they’re more comfortable with.
> 
> Just another $0.02
> 
> John
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:43 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> get the foam luff if you intend to sail with the jib
>> furled...otherwise get a 110% and enjoy sailing
>> Dwight Veinot
>> C 35 MKII, Alianna
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
>>  wrote:
>>> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would
>>> like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam
>>> luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
>>> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
>>> be ideal.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> — Fred
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>>> 
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I liked my foam luff a lot.
Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:31 PM
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Subject: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff.  
In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of the 
foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal.

Thoughts?

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[jtsails via CnC-List]

Fred,
On my 38 Mk2, I opted for a 120% headsail with no foam. The smaller sail is 
easier to handle and still moves the boat very well. Plus, I rarely feel 
overpowered. Your boat is the same hull as mine, but your mast is a couple of 
feet shorter, so I would probably go about 125%. Even at 120%, it’s a large 
sail with a 20’ LP, 1000 square feet!
James
Delaney
1976 C 38
Oriental, NC

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would 
like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam luff.  
In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that regardless of the 
foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to be ideal. 

Thoughts?

— Fred




Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(





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Re: Stus-List To foam or not to foam...

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Have to agree.  For my area, I’ve been a huge fan of 120 + main for cruising.  
On a landfall the 135 may be the better option and I would probably pass on 
either foam or rope. I’m basing that on the assumption that the landfall will 
reef later than most but I’ve never sailed one so don’t really know.  At 150 I 
would definitely go with something to take up the extra fabric but would let 
the sailmaker decide between the two options.  Both work well so it’s whatever 
they’re more comfortable with.

Just another $0.02

John


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:43 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> get the foam luff if you intend to sail with the jib
> furled...otherwise get a 110% and enjoy sailing
> Dwight Veinot
> C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
>  wrote:
>> I’m going to be ordering a new furling 135% headsail for my LF38, and would
>> like everyone’s input on whether or not to pay the extra $$$ for a foam
>> luff.  In the past, I haven’t relied much on furling, knowing that
>> regardless of the foam luff (or not), a furled sail’s shape isn’t going to
>> be ideal.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>> 
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