Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Home Hardware sells pure propylene glycol. Search for Cryo-Tek concentrated 
antifreeze.
18.9 liters ( 5 US gallons ) is $135.

It may be that glycerin based antifreeze is the best choice for winterizing an 
engine block
though other than in sprinkler systems it has not caught on.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1




From: Steve Thomas  

The plumbing antifreeze sold here is denatured ethyl alcohol (ethanol), which 
is not great for rubber parts, but not as bad as methanol. As I noted in my 
last post, there is sometimes available a "premium" version plumbing 
antifreeze, which does contain at least some propylene glycol, but it contains 
ethanol as well. I went to some lengths to try and get a product that was based 
solely on propylene glycol and was not successful here in Ontario, and I could 
find nothing online anywhere in Canada, except as I also noted previously, the 
grossly over priced speed shop engine stuff. Either you have had good luck with 
ethanol, or the plumbing antifreeze that is available where you live is 
different. I wasn't so worried about the impeller in the engine as I am about 
all the rubber parts in the head. It is both a PITA and expensive to rebuild.  
 
Steve Thomas 
C MKIII 
Port Stanley, ON 
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[John Sandford via CnC-List]

Agree.

Winterizing is simple really.

1.   Buy a big jug of plumbers antifreeze. Pink stuff. Local Hardware 
store. Don’t need to buy “Marine$$” grade. 

2.   Disconnect the sea suction hose at the through hull and stick the hose 
in the jug.

3.   Remove the engine air inlet filter or cover. You are going to feed oil 
in there in a minute.

4.   Two choices here, either buy a spray can of fogging oil (Can Tire 
Product #038-0910-6) or just get ready a capful, or shooter glass, of engine 
oil.

5.   (One person version, in the engine room ) Start the engine.

6.   Watch the level of AF in the jug go down.

7.   At ½ Level, drip feed the capful, or spray the fogging oil into the 
intake manifold.

8.   Shut down the motor after either a) Oil drip is gone, or b) the AF jug 
is about empty.

9.   Get out of the Engine room and check that there is a pink mess on the 
ground.

10.   If so, then your engine is properly winterized. Water and air side.

PS most folks forget about the fogging. It protects the cylinders. Rings, 
valves.

Been doing this for >30 years and it works.

 

John

LF 38

Plan B

 

  

 

From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 4:07 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

 

I have had my boat since 1977. If pink antifreeze was harmful to rubber parts I 
would have bought a TON of impellers and joker valves by now!

Joe

Coquina

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

 

Joe,

 

I think you are right. And I read the same about how poisonous the two are. 

 

I am using the pink stuff for winterisation and cross my fingers that the 
rubber parts don’t mind it. The two primary concerns are the impeller in the 
water pump and the joker valve in the head. The worst scenario is that I 
replace either or both every so often. Compared to other expenses of operating 
a sailboat these are acceptable.

 

Marek

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 14:50

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Della Barba, Joe 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

 

???
I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize 
water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol 
in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water 
tanks.
This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to 
DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
Joe
Coquina
Still two months away from antifreeze :)
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

You might think that, but it is not. 
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: 

Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

 Yes. Environmental considerations aside, engine antifreeze is better for both 
the raw water cooling system and the head, but not suitable for potable water 
systems. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Persuasion37 via CnC-List  wrote: 

Doesn't the engine anti-freeze contain rust inhibitors and the rv stuff doesn't?

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault



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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Doesn't the engine anti-freeze contain rust inhibitors and the rv stuff doesn't?

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> ???
> I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
> always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to 
> winterize water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no 
> ethylene glycol in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine 
> and the water tanks.
> This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
> forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous 
> to DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
> Joe
> Coquina
> Still two months away from antifreeze :)
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Thomas
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F
> 
> You might think that, but it is not. 
> Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was 
> widely sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't 
> anymore. It came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. 
> Some automotive speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, 
> but it is absurdly expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, 
> including Canadian Tire, could give me a reason for its disappearance from 
> the marketplace. There is sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze 
> that contains propylene glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what 
> proportion, and it still contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult 
> and expensive to find here, and for no apparent reason. I have resigned 
> myself to using the environmentally unfriendly ethylene glycol. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
>  "Della Barba wrote: 
> ??
> Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
> very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation 
> houses up there, right???
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
> Dziedzic via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F
> 
> There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might 
> deteriorate in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene 
> Glycol. IIRC, the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily 
> available.
> 
> Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
> diluting the AF.
> 
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
> 
> From: David Platt via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: David Platt
> Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't 
> antifreeze drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water 
> pump?
> 
> Respectfully
> 
> david
> 
> C 32 Wanderer
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

The plumbing antifreeze sold here is denatured ethyl alcohol (ethanol), which 
is not great for rubber parts, but not as bad as methanol. As I noted in my 
last post, there is sometimes available a "premium" version plumbing 
antifreeze, which does contain at least some propylene glycol, but it contains 
ethanol as well. I went to some lengths to try and get a product that was based 
solely on propylene glycol and was not successful here in Ontario, and I could 
find nothing online anywhere in Canada, except as I also noted previously, the 
grossly over priced speed shop engine stuff. Either you have had good luck with 
ethanol, or the plumbing antifreeze that is available where you live is 
different. I wasn't so worried about the impeller in the engine as I am about 
all the rubber parts in the head. It is both a PITA and expensive to rebuild. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
???
I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize 
water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol 
in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water 
tanks.
This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to 
DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
Joe
Coquina
Still two months away from antifreeze :)
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

You might think that, but it is not. 
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I was led to believe the reason for removing the impeller was to not have it in 
a single position for a number of months – it could take a set and not work 
correctly. I did that religiously for a few years and then stopped bothering 
after seeing no ‘set’. I change it every couple of years anyway (have quite a 
collection), and have had no problems on start up. I do keep a small heat 
source on board during the coldest months (middle Maryland, so it is not too 
bad) so probably don’t get the horrid minus temperatures.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic <dziedzi...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

 

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

 

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

 

Marek

1994 C270 “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

From: David Platt via CnC-List 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  

Cc: David Platt 

Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

 

Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?  

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer

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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have had my boat since 1977. If pink antifreeze was harmful to rubber parts I 
would have bought a TON of impellers and joker valves by now!
Joe
Coquina


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

Joe,

I think you are right. And I read the same about how poisonous the two are.

I am using the pink stuff for winterisation and cross my fingers that the 
rubber parts don’t mind it. The two primary concerns are the impeller in the 
water pump and the joker valve in the head. The worst scenario is that I 
replace either or both every so often. Compared to other expenses of operating 
a sailboat these are acceptable.

Marek

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 14:50
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

???
I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize 
water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol 
in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water 
tanks.
This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to 
DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
Joe
Coquina
Still two months away from antifreeze :)
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

You might think that, but it is not.
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote:
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com%3cmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer


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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Joe,

I think you are right. And I read the same about how poisonous the two are.

I am using the pink stuff for winterisation and cross my fingers that the 
rubber parts don’t mind it. The two primary concerns are the impeller in the 
water pump and the joker valve in the head. The worst scenario is that I 
replace either or both every so often. Compared to other expenses of operating 
a sailboat these are acceptable.

Marek

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 14:50
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

???
I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize 
water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol 
in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water 
tanks.
This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to 
DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
Joe
Coquina
Still two months away from antifreeze :)
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

You might think that, but it is not.
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote:
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer


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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Other reason I've heard for removing impeller is to avoid it taking a 'set'
from sitting in the same position all winter. Somewhere, sometime I read
that you should do this if leaving the boat for longer than 2 weeks! It's
pretty rare that we are not on our boat at least every two weeks even in
winter, but if I were setting my boat on the hard for the winter, I
probably would remove the impeller.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:50 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> ???
> I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that,
> I always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to
> winterize water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no
> ethylene glycol in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the
> engine and the water tanks.
> This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a
> forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite
> poisonous to DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if
> dumped overboard.
> Joe
> Coquina
> Still two months away from antifreeze :)
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Thomas
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F
>
> You might think that, but it is not.
> Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was
> widely sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't
> anymore. It came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available.
> Some automotive speed shops have a version that is imported from the
> States, but it is absurdly expensive. None of the former retailers I talked
> to, including Canadian Tire, could give me a reason for its disappearance
> from the marketplace. There is sometimes available a premium plumbing
> antifreeze that contains propylene glycol in some proportion but it doesn't
> say in what proportion, and it still contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it
> is difficult and expensive to find here, and for no apparent reason. I have
> resigned myself to using the environmentally unfriendly ethylene glycol.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  "Della Barba wrote:
> ??
> Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would
> be a very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and
> vacation houses up there, right???
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek
> Dziedzic via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Marek Dziedzic
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F
>
> There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might
> deteriorate in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene
> Glycol. IIRC, the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not
> easily available.
>
> Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water
> diluting the AF.
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
> From: David Platt via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: David Platt
> Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F
>
>
> Tim
>
> I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't
> antifreeze drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water
> pump?
>
> Respectfully
>
> david
>
> C 32 Wanderer
>
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

???
I think you are trying to find engine antifreeze. I have never tried that, I 
always have used the pink propylene glycol sold all over the place to winterize 
water systems in boats, vacation cottages, and RVs. It has no ethylene glycol 
in it, you can drink it. I use the same stuff for the engine and the water 
tanks.
This is not engine coolant and is only used for winter layup. Someone on a 
forum somewhere also explained that while ethylene glycol is quite poisonous to 
DRINK, it does about the same harm as propylene glycol if dumped overboard.
Joe
Coquina
Still two months away from antifreeze :)
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via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

You might think that, but it is not. 
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer


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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

You might think that, but it is not. 
Recochem used to make a propylene glycol engine antifreeze here that was widely 
sold under various brand names, notably Prestolite, but they don't anymore. It 
came as a something of a shock when it was no longer available. Some automotive 
speed shops have a version that is imported from the States, but it is absurdly 
expensive. None of the former retailers I talked to, including Canadian Tire, 
could give me a reason for its disappearance from the marketplace. There is 
sometimes available a premium plumbing antifreeze that contains propylene 
glycol in some proportion but it doesn't say in what proportion, and it still 
contains ethyl alcohol. In short, it is difficult and expensive to find here, 
and for no apparent reason. I have resigned myself to using the environmentally 
unfriendly ethylene glycol. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 "Della Barba wrote: 
??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer


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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

??
Propylene glycol is very easy to get around here. I would think it would be a 
very easy thing to find in Canada too. You all do have RVs and vacation houses 
up there, right???
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek 
Dziedzic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing 2GM20F

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

There is a school of thought that maintains that the impeller might deteriorate 
in the antifreeze, especially, since most of the AF is Ethylene Glycol. IIRC, 
the better one would be Propylene Glycol, but it is not easily available.

Btw. if AF drains, it is only better (you don’t have to worry about water 
diluting the AF.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: David Platt via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 10:37
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Platt
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F


Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out.  Won't antifreeze 
drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the water pump?

Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer
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Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

[David Platt via CnC-List]

Tim

I am curious about why you advocate taking the impeller out. Won't 
antifreeze drain out of your engine when you take the cover off the 
water pump?


Respectfully

david

C 32 Wanderer

On 2016-10-13 12:07 PM, Tim Sippel via CnC-List wrote:


In Water :

Change oil

Check Coolant / change if necessary

Out of water

Run anti-freeze though engine (capture and dispose of properly) I’m 
not brave enough to simply drain it !


Remove impeller and store with engine key

*Tim Sippel*

**

*C 33mk ii Matico*

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*Cc:* Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

Hi Doug,

Third GTA winter coming up and I have not yet run the red stuff 
through windstar's engine.  (IIRC the manual does not mention doing 
this)   What I have done is drain the water lock muffler and raw water 
strainer, remove the hoses to the water pump, then drain the block 
through the two valves on the engine block.  (access under the galley 
sink)  Blow any water out though the water pump hose.


Not sure whether that's optimal or not

Anyway, If I were to use the red stuff, (and I may) I would drain 
everything first so I could be sure that the antifreeze was not too 
diluted.


It really is a good time to look in on the water pump impeller..

I would also check the specific gravity of the coolant to ensure its 
freeze point is low enough.  You can get a tester at Crappy tire for 
this for less than $10.


Top up the batteries with distilled water.

Dave (we met on pier 7 - whitby)

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It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize 
it. Is there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through 
the fresh water intake until it comes out the exhaust??

Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot33-2
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[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

In Water :
Change oil
Check Coolant / change if necessary

Out of water
Run anti-freeze though engine (capture and dispose of properly)  I’m not brave 
enough to simply drain it !
Remove impeller and store with engine key


Tim Sippel

C 33mk ii Matico








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Cc: Dave S <syerd...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

Hi Doug,

Third GTA winter coming up and I have not yet run the red stuff through 
windstar's engine.  (IIRC the manual does not mention doing this)   What I have 
done is drain the water lock muffler and raw water strainer, remove the hoses 
to the water pump, then drain the block through the two valves on the engine 
block.  (access under the galley sink)  Blow any water out though the water 
pump hose.
Not sure whether that's optimal or not
Anyway, If I were to use the red stuff, (and I may) I would drain everything 
first so I could be sure that the antifreeze was not too diluted.
It really is a good time to look in on the water pump impeller..
I would also check the specific gravity of the coolant to ensure its freeze 
point is low enough.  You can get a tester at Crappy tire for this for less 
than $10.
Top up the batteries with distilled water.

Dave (we met on pier 7 - whitby)

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It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is 
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh water 
intake until it comes out the exhaust??
Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot33-2
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Re: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

Thanks Dave. I recall meeting you and thanks for your past and current advice. 
As it turned out on the banging problem we discussed turned out to be a massive 
brain fart on my part. I had replaced the plastic shift lever with a stainless 
one and the throws are different. The replacement stainless lever was coming in 
contact with the protector before forward was fully engaged which caused the 
banging. I figured it out a few days after we met. 
Cheers,Doug 

On Monday, October 10, 2016 8:36 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
 

 Hi Doug,
Third GTA winter coming up and I have not yet run the red stuff through 
windstar's engine.  (IIRC the manual does not mention doing this)   What I have 
done is drain the water lock muffler and raw water strainer, remove the hoses 
to the water pump, then drain the block through the two valves on the engine 
block.  (access under the galley sink)  Blow any water out though the water 
pump hose.   Not sure whether that's optimal or notAnyway, If I were to use 
the red stuff, (and I may) I would drain everything first so I could be sure 
that the antifreeze was not too diluted.  It really is a good time to look in 
on the water pump impeller..I would also check the specific gravity of the 
coolant to ensure its freeze point is low enough.  You can get a tester at 
Crappy tire for this for less than $10.Top up the batteries with distilled 
water.
Dave (we met on pier 7 - whitby)
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Subject: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F
Message-ID: <1911996305.1436982. 1476131695...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is 
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh water 
intake until it comes out the exhaust??
Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot33-2
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[Dave S via CnC-List]

Hi Doug,

Third GTA winter coming up and I have not yet run the red stuff through
windstar's engine.  (IIRC the manual does not mention doing this)   What I
have done is drain the water lock muffler and raw water strainer, remove
the hoses to the water pump, then drain the block through the two valves on
the engine block.  (access under the galley sink)  Blow any water out
though the water pump hose.
Not sure whether that's optimal or not
Anyway, If I were to use the red stuff, (and I may) I would drain
everything first so I could be sure that the antifreeze was not too
diluted.
It really is a good time to look in on the water pump impeller..
I would also check the specific gravity of the coolant to ensure its freeze
point is low enough.  You can get a tester at Crappy tire for this for less
than $10.
Top up the batteries with distilled water.

Dave (we met on pier 7 - whitby)

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Subject: Stus-List WInterizing 2GM20F
Message-ID: <1911996305.1436982.1476131695...@mail.yahoo.com>
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It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh
water intake until it comes out the exhaust??
Cheers,Doug
Celtic Knot33-2
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[johnr via CnC-List]

Check with your yard re any heater.  Many will not allow an unattended live 
electrical hook up for stored boats.


John McL
Falcon
C



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To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
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Are you hauling it out?  If not, you should consider disconnecting the exhaust 
elbow so that the water lift muffler doesn't draw moist air in and out of the 
engine as the boat rocks fore and aft.  Obviously wait till you're done running 
glycol through.
Many people choose to change the oil/filter and tranny fluid.  Some people also 
choose to remove the raw water pump impeller.  Others also take the opportunity 
to change the fuel filter(s).  You can also fog a diesel though there are mixed 
opinions.  The manual actually suggests "roll" the engine once a month by 
pulling the decompression levers and running the starter till the oil pressure 
alarm clears.  This keeps the bearings and rings from getting too dry.
As recently mentioned, I have an immersion heater that I plug in.  200w keeps 
the condensation out and slightly heats the cabin.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Oct 10, 2016 4:36 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
wrote:


It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is 
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh water 
intake until it comes out the exhaust? 


Cheers,
Doug


Celtic Knot
33-2


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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Are you hauling it out?  If not, you should consider disconnecting the
exhaust elbow so that the water lift muffler doesn't draw moist air in and
out of the engine as the boat rocks fore and aft.  Obviously wait till
you're done running glycol through.

Many people choose to change the oil/filter and tranny fluid.  Some people
also choose to remove the raw water pump impeller.  Others also take the
opportunity to change the fuel filter(s).  You can also fog a diesel though
there are mixed opinions.  The manual actually suggests "roll" the engine
once a month by pulling the decompression levers and running the starter
till the oil pressure alarm clears.  This keeps the bearings and rings from
getting too dry.

As recently mentioned, I have an immersion heater that I plug in.  200w
keeps the condensation out and slightly heats the cabin.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Oct 10, 2016 4:36 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it.
> Is there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh
> water intake until it comes out the exhaust?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
> Celtic Knot
> 33-2
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It's my first year with the 2GM20F and it's almost time to winterize it. Is 
there anything I need to do other running anti freeze through the fresh water 
intake until it comes out the exhaust? 
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