Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Lori Pivonka]

Sadly, “common sense” isn’t so common anymore.  :(

Stay safe. Keep others safe. Be well.

Lori

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:30 PM, George Miller  wrote:
> 
> Neither Polis’ Executive Order D2020 017 (https://tinyurl.com/uremtjh 
> ) nor supporting Order 20-24 
> (https://tinyurl.com/r7sq4yy  ) from the 
> Executive Director of the CDPHE contains any language restricting travel to 
> your city or county.
> 
> Nonetheless, let common sense prevail.
> 
> George Miller
> Nathrop, CO
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Cyndy Johnson]

Thank you Matt and Allison. 



From: "Matt Newport"  
To: allisonh...@gmail.com 
Cc: sebastianpa...@hotmail.com, "cobirds" , 
u5b2mt...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:48:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO 
SIGHTINGS) 

Allison, 
Thank you. 

As a healthcare worker and someone at high risk should I contract the virus, I 
implore all birders to not be traveling around the state birding. 
NOW IS NOT THE TIME. 
I have been watching this post all day, seeing people posting on social media 
behaving and not behaving the restrictions across the country. Towns across the 
nation are asking visitors to not come play in their communities, states are 
asking if coming from other states to self quarantine, the list goes on. It 
scares me to my core to think that my hospital here in Denver could face the 
same as those in states already hit extremely hard, if we ALL do not play our 
parts to stop the spread. Emergency room doctors and nurses are being exposed 
unknowingly to trauma patients whom have the virus. REMEMBER that you can have 
the virus, be asymptomatic, and spread it to anyone. REMBERER, if you are 
asymptomatic with the virus, decide to go look for a rare bird outside your 
city, you get in a car crash and expose the frontline providers in the ER in 
another town or rural community you have defeated the entire purpose of shelter 
in place. STAY HOME!! Bird you neighborhood parks, your yard, etc... 
Colorado is being spared a huge outbreak so far, but lets all do our part to 
keep it that way. 

Given the discussion here today and the desire for people to obviously try 
justifying their chasing...I would call for a no posting of the rare bird 
report for the next few weeks to stop the temptation. 

Matt Newport 
Aurora, CO 



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:16 PM Allison Hilf < [ mailto:allisonh...@gmail.com | 
allisonh...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 



Susan and others, 

If it makes you feel any better/worse I'm a retired Attorney. The law is clear, 
recreational activities are permitted in your neighborhood and region. The 
legal definition of REGION within a State is generally considered a County or 
City, if otherwise not defined. Given the State is dividing COVID-19 data 
available to public via COUNTY, I would say region means at furthest the COUNTY 
which you live in. 
A precise definition should not be required. People are supposed to be on the 
road to purchase food, medications, get medical help, assist others whom they 
care for, etc. IF the seriousness of the above restrictions doesn't imply stay 
off the road as much as possible to birders, I don't get it. 

Allison Hilf 
Aurora, CO 






On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Sebastian Patti < [ 
mailto:sebastianpa...@hotmail.com | sebastianpa...@hotmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Send in the lawyers and the judges!! 

Sorry, cabin fever. 

[ mailto:sebastianpa...@hotmail.com | sebastianpa...@hotmail.com ] 
Sebastian T. Patti 
770 S. Grand Avenue 
Unit 3088 
Los Angeles, CA 90017 
CELL: 773/304-7488 


From: [ mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com | cobirds@googlegroups.com ] < [ 
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Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:45 AM 
To: Colorado Birds < [ mailto:cobirds@googlegroups.com | 
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Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order 
That's a good question. What is my region? 
I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if there are 
NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car, mainly to use at 
the gas station. 
Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. I don't want to be breaking 
any laws! 
Susan Rosine 
Brighton 

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[George Miller]

 Neither Polis’ Executive Order D2020 017 (https://tinyurl.com/uremtjh) nor 
supporting Order 20-24 (https://tinyurl.com/r7sq4yy ) from the Executive 
Director of the CDPHE contains any language restricting travel to your city 
or county.

Nonetheless, let common sense prevail.

George Miller
Nathrop, CO


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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Susan Rosine]

Thanks again everyone! I'm sticking to my "region" which I define as Adams and 
Weld counties, since my town is in both counties. But I'm not getting crazy and 
going to all corners of each county. 

Also, I'm just birding by car. And I have tons of hand sanitizer in my car, 
just in case. 

Has anyone who drives back country roads noticed a HUGE increase in trash? Most 
of it seems to be beer bottles and cans. Drives my crazy.

Susan Rosine
Brighton

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[macawolf via Colorado Birds]

Hear hear Matt! Well said. Coloradans don't need to go any deeper into this 
epidemic. Only YOU (and me and each and every one of us) can prevent and 
flatten this exponentially spreading fire. Just stay home.
Marty WolfNW CO Spgs


-Original Message-
From: Matt Newport 
To: allisonhilf 
Cc: sebastianpatti ; Colorado Birds 
; u5b2mt...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sun, Mar 29, 2020 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO 
SIGHTINGS)

Allison,Thank you.
As a healthcare worker and someone at high risk should I contract the virus, I 
implore all birders to not be traveling around the state birding. NOW IS NOT 
THE TIME. I have been watching this post all day, seeing people posting on 
social media behaving and not behaving the restrictions across the country. 
Towns across the nation are asking visitors to not come play in their 
communities, states are asking if coming from other states to self quarantine, 
the list goes on. It scares me to my core to think that my hospital here in 
Denver could face the same as those in states already hit extremely hard, if we 
ALL do not play our parts to stop the spread. Emergency room doctors and nurses 
are being exposed unknowingly to trauma patients whom have the virus. REMEMBER 
that you can have the virus, be asymptomatic, and spread it to anyone. 
REMBERER, if you are asymptomatic with the virus, decide to go look for a rare 
bird outside your city, you get in a car crash and expose the frontline 
providers in the ER in another town or rural community you have defeated the 
entire purpose of shelter in place. STAY HOME!! Bird you neighborhood parks, 
your yard, etc...Colorado is being spared a huge outbreak so far, but lets all 
do our part to keep it that way.
Given the discussion here today and the desire for people to obviously try 
justifying their chasing...I would call for a no posting of the rare bird 
report for the next few weeks to stop the temptation.
Matt NewportAurora, CO


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:16 PM Allison Hilf  wrote:

Susan and others, 
If it makes you feel any better/worse I'm a retired Attorney.   The law is 
clear, recreational activities are permitted in your neighborhood and region.   
The legal definition of REGION within a State is generally considered a County 
or City, if otherwise not defined.   Given the State is dividing COVID-19 data 
available to public via COUNTY, I would say region means at furthest the COUNTY 
which you live in.   
A precise definition should not be required.  People are supposed to be on the 
road to purchase food, medications, get medical help, assist others whom they 
care for, etc.  IF the seriousness of the above restrictions doesn't imply stay 
off the road as much as possible to birders, I don't get it.    
Allison HilfAurora, CO





On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Sebastian Patti  
wrote:

Send in the lawyers and the judges!!
Sorry, cabin fever.
sebastianpa...@hotmail.com 
Sebastian T. Patti 
770 S. Grand AvenueUnit 3088Los Angeles, CA 90017 
CELL: 773/304-7488

From: cobirds@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Susan 
Rosine 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:45 AM
To: Colorado Birds 
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order That's 
a good question. What is my region? 
I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if there are 
NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car, mainly to use at 
the gas station.
Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. I don't want to be breaking 
any laws!
Susan Rosine
Brighton 

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Matt Newport]

Allison,
Thank you.

As a healthcare worker and someone at high risk should I contract the
virus, I implore all birders to not be traveling around the state birding.
*NOW IS NOT THE TIME. *
I have been watching this post all day, seeing people posting on
social media behaving and not behaving the restrictions across the country.
Towns across the nation are asking visitors to not come play in their
communities, states are asking if coming from other states to self
quarantine, the list goes on. It scares me to my core to think that my
hospital here in Denver could face the same as those in states already hit
extremely hard, if we *ALL* do not play our parts to stop the spread.
Emergency room doctors and nurses are being exposed unknowingly to trauma
patients whom have the virus. *REMEMBER *that you can have the virus, be
asymptomatic, and spread it to anyone. *REMBERER,* if you are asymptomatic
with the virus, decide to go look for a rare bird outside your city, you
get in a car crash and expose the frontline providers in the ER in another
town or rural community you have defeated the entire purpose of shelter in
place. *STAY HOME!!* Bird you neighborhood parks, your yard, etc...
Colorado is being spared a huge outbreak so far, but lets all do our part
to keep it that way.

Given the discussion here today and the desire for people to obviously try
justifying their chasing...I would call for a no posting of the rare bird
report for the next few weeks to stop the temptation.

Matt Newport
Aurora, CO



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:16 PM Allison Hilf  wrote:

> Susan and others,
>
> If it makes you feel any better/worse I'm a retired Attorney.   The law is
> clear, recreational activities are permitted in your neighborhood and
> region.   The legal definition of REGION within a State is
> generally considered a County or City, if otherwise not defined.   Given
> the State is dividing COVID-19 data available to public via COUNTY, I would
> say region means at furthest the COUNTY which you live in.
>
> A precise definition should not be required.  People are supposed to be on
> the road to purchase food, medications, get medical help, assist others
> whom they care for, etc.  IF the seriousness of the above restrictions
> doesn't imply stay off the road as much as possible to birders, I don't get
> it.
>
> Allison Hilf
> Aurora, CO
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Sebastian Patti <
> sebastianpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Send in the lawyers and the judges!!
>>
>> Sorry, cabin fever.
>>
>> sebastianpa...@hotmail.com
>> Sebastian T. Patti
>> 770 S. Grand Avenue
>> Unit 3088
>> Los Angeles, CA 90017
>> CELL: 773/304-7488
>>
>> ----------
>> *From:* cobirds@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>> Susan Rosine 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:45 AM
>> *To:* Colorado Birds 
>> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order
>>
>> That's a good question. What is my region?
>> I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if
>> there are NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car,
>> mainly to use at the gas station.
>> Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. *I don't want to be
>> breaking any laws!*
>> Susan Rosine
>> Brighton
>>
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Allison Hilf]

Susan and others,

If it makes you feel any better/worse I'm a retired Attorney.   The law is
clear, recreational activities are permitted in your neighborhood and
region.   The legal definition of REGION within a State is
generally considered a County or City, if otherwise not defined.   Given
the State is dividing COVID-19 data available to public via COUNTY, I would
say region means at furthest the COUNTY which you live in.

A precise definition should not be required.  People are supposed to be on
the road to purchase food, medications, get medical help, assist others
whom they care for, etc.  IF the seriousness of the above restrictions
doesn't imply stay off the road as much as possible to birders, I don't get
it.

Allison Hilf
Aurora, CO






On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Sebastian Patti 
wrote:

> Send in the lawyers and the judges!!
>
> Sorry, cabin fever.
>
> sebastianpa...@hotmail.com
> Sebastian T. Patti
> 770 S. Grand Avenue
> Unit 3088
> Los Angeles, CA 90017
> CELL: 773/304-7488
>
> --
> *From:* cobirds@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Susan Rosine 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:45 AM
> *To:* Colorado Birds 
> *Subject:* Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order
>
> That's a good question. What is my region?
> I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if
> there are NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car,
> mainly to use at the gas station.
> Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. *I don't want to be
> breaking any laws!*
> Susan Rosine
> Brighton
>
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RE: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

['Jean Stevenson' via Colorado Birds]

I think that is the way it is supposed to be.  Too bad some birders are so 
obsessive.  Jean



From: Allison Hilf
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 2:42 PM
To: birdtri...@gmail.com
Cc: Colorado Birds
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

Interesting because Cherry Creek SP told me the park is only "essential" if it 
is in your neighborhood. 



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Alison Kondler  wrote:
Just heard from Roxborough State Park on this subject. All state parks are 
deemed essential, that is why they are still open. I would guess this goes for 
open space parks as well. Stay well everyone!

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RE: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

['Jean Stevenson' via Colorado Birds]

I think that is the way it is supposed to be.  Too bad some birders are so 
obsessive.  Jean



From: Allison Hilf
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 2:42 PM
To: birdtri...@gmail.com
Cc: Colorado Birds
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

Interesting because Cherry Creek SP told me the park is only "essential" if it 
is in your neighborhood. 



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Alison Kondler  wrote:
Just heard from Roxborough State Park on this subject. All state parks are 
deemed essential, that is why they are still open. I would guess this goes for 
open space parks as well. Stay well everyone!

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Allison Hilf]

Interesting because Cherry Creek SP told me the park is only "essential" if
it is in your neighborhood.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:56 PM Alison Kondler  wrote:

> Just heard from Roxborough State Park on this subject. All state parks are
> deemed essential, that is why they are still open. I would guess this goes
> for open space parks as well. Stay well everyone!
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Alison Kondler]

Just heard from Roxborough State Park on this subject. All state parks are 
deemed essential, that is why they are still open. I would guess this goes for 
open space parks as well. Stay well everyone!

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Joe Roller]

As we patiently hang out in our homes, Dreamin' of California, let us
DISREGARD
this advice from 1965. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but
now...not so much.
GO WHERE YOU WANNA GO!   The Mamas and the Papas(You can find the catchy
song on You Tube).

Joe Roller, Denver


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:11 PM Marie Hoerner 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I rarely post, and I am sorry to do so by getting involved in such a
> discussion.
>
> The public health order states:
>
> "All travel, including, but not limited to, travel by automobile or public
> transit, except Necessary Travel is prohibited."
>
> "Necessary Travel.  For purposes of this order, travel is Necessary for
> any of the following purposes: (1) providing or accessing Necessary
> Activities, Minimum Basic Operations, Critical Government Functions, and
> Critical Businesses; (2) receiving materials for distance learning, for
> receiving meals, and any other related services from educational
> institutions; (3) returning to a place of Residence from outside the
> jurisdiction; (4) travel required by law enforcement or court order; (5)
> non-residents returning to their place of Residence."
>
> Now, I'm not a lawyer, but there is enough vagueness in the inclusion of
> outdoor exercise as a "Necessary Activity" that I'm sure you could get a
> good lawyer to argue that traveling across the state to go bird-watching
> was within the letter of the law.  Please stop thinking about the letter of
> the law for a moment.  We all know that it is not necessary to go all the
> way across the state to "exercise" when a local trail would work just as
> well.  As birders, we strongly discourage people from intentionally
> disturbing, flushing, or otherwise harassing birds, even though there is no
> law explicitly prohibiting it in most places.  As a community, we are
> accustomed to placing the welfare of the birds above our personal desire to
> add another bird to our life/state/county/year list, or to get a better
> photo, or whatever.  Now, please, place the welfare of other people above
> those personal interests as well.  Personally, I had plans for this week to
> visit King Ranch for hopeful Ferruginous Pygmy-Owls and Tropical Parulas,
> and High Island for their famous warbler migration- all the while spending
> time with my brother, sisters, parents, and best of all my young nieces
> and nephew.  The disappointment has been quite intense this week from
> instead being stuck in my small apartment with just my local trails for
> early morning walks and spending the rest of the day working on moving my
> courses online, even though I am personally in the lowest-risk category for
> COVID-19.  However, every time you go out and especially when you travel
> outside your neighborhood, you literally risk killing someone else, if not
> yourself.  You also become part of the group that is making this whole
> pandemic last longer for everyone.  Is it really worth it?
>
> Marie Hoerner, Colorado Springs, El Paso County
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM SeEttaM .  wrote:
>
>> Aarg
>>
>> SeEtta Moss
>> Canon City
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 12:18 PM SeEttaM .  wrote:
>>
>>> Directly from Govenor
>>>
>>> SeEtta Moss
>>>
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Marie Hoerner]

Hello everyone,

I rarely post, and I am sorry to do so by getting involved in such a
discussion.

The public health order states:

"All travel, including, but not limited to, travel by automobile or public
transit, except Necessary Travel is prohibited."

"Necessary Travel.  For purposes of this order, travel is Necessary for any
of the following purposes: (1) providing or accessing Necessary Activities,
Minimum Basic Operations, Critical Government Functions, and Critical
Businesses; (2) receiving materials for distance learning, for receiving
meals, and any other related services from educational institutions; (3)
returning to a place of Residence from outside the jurisdiction; (4) travel
required by law enforcement or court order; (5) non-residents returning to
their place of Residence."

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but there is enough vagueness in the inclusion of
outdoor exercise as a "Necessary Activity" that I'm sure you could get a
good lawyer to argue that traveling across the state to go bird-watching
was within the letter of the law.  Please stop thinking about the letter of
the law for a moment.  We all know that it is not necessary to go all the
way across the state to "exercise" when a local trail would work just as
well.  As birders, we strongly discourage people from intentionally
disturbing, flushing, or otherwise harassing birds, even though there is no
law explicitly prohibiting it in most places.  As a community, we are
accustomed to placing the welfare of the birds above our personal desire to
add another bird to our life/state/county/year list, or to get a better
photo, or whatever.  Now, please, place the welfare of other people above
those personal interests as well.  Personally, I had plans for this week to
visit King Ranch for hopeful Ferruginous Pygmy-Owls and Tropical Parulas,
and High Island for their famous warbler migration- all the while spending
time with my brother, sisters, parents, and best of all my young nieces
and nephew.  The disappointment has been quite intense this week from
instead being stuck in my small apartment with just my local trails for
early morning walks and spending the rest of the day working on moving my
courses online, even though I am personally in the lowest-risk category for
COVID-19.  However, every time you go out and especially when you travel
outside your neighborhood, you literally risk killing someone else, if not
yourself.  You also become part of the group that is making this whole
pandemic last longer for everyone.  Is it really worth it?

Marie Hoerner, Colorado Springs, El Paso County

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:20 PM SeEttaM .  wrote:

> Aarg
>
> SeEtta Moss
> Canon City
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 12:18 PM SeEttaM .  wrote:
>
>> Directly from Govenor
>>
>> SeEtta Moss
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[SeEttaM .]

Directly from Govenor

SeEtta Moss




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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order (NO SIGHTINGS)

[Sebastian Patti]

Send in the lawyers and the judges!!

Sorry, cabin fever.

sebastianpa...@hotmail.com
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Rosine 
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To: Colorado Birds 
Subject: Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

That's a good question. What is my region?
I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if there are 
NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car, mainly to use at 
the gas station.
Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. I don't want to be breaking 
any laws!
Susan Rosine
Brighton

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Mark Minner-lee]

Hi everyone,

Good points of clarification to be sure, but I would advise everyone to be 
conservative here.  The farther away you go the greater the odds are you’ll 
need to have an interaction that could possibly involve transfer (stopping for 
gas, visiting a restroom, going into a grocery store, etc.).   This may appear 
to be miniscule, but it is exactly these types of accumulating interactions 
that promote spread.  Local birding can remove the majority of these situations.

Additionally I’d like to put a focus on the obvious here.  Just because an 
event is permissible doesn’t mean we should consider it not harmful.   We 
should all consider minimizing any travel outside right now to reduce spread.  
Birding is certainly a low risk activity, but given the increased numbers of 
people going outside to areas that are commonly birded it is not a no risk 
activity.

I know that this is disappointing to read and perhaps even maddening to some, 
but as a health care professional I have seen how small behaviors and tiny 
changes can have huge positive/negative impacts on a larger scale.  Most of us 
have fabulous locations within 10-15 mins of our homes and  I am certain that 
most of us wouldn’t face extreme hardship by cutting back on a couple 
excursions each week.   

Regards,

Mark Minner-Lee
Erie, CO

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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 5:45 AM, Gary Brower  wrote:
> 
> Read all the way through the article.  It is aimed at DENVER residents.  
> Here’s the appropriate sentence (from the article, anyway)— the next-to-last 
> “paragraph”:
> 
> You might be thinking, “Well hold on a second, Gov. Jared Polis said hiking 
> was fine!” Unfortunately for Denver residents, the stricter restrictions are 
> what apply, so in this particular case, the city and county order trumps the 
> statewide order.
> 
> The State’s order (under “Definitions”) reads:
> 
> 3. Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without 
> limitation,
> walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes 
> of
> outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public to engage in 
> walking,
> hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, 
> picnic
> areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas 
> shall
> be closed. Additionally, the permitted outdoor activities in this PHO do not
> include activities that would violate the Social Distancing Requirements
> 
> If there is another, more authoritative, ruling (than “TheKnow”), I’ll be 
> welcome to hear/read it.  In the meantime, I’ll stick with Polis’ order, not 
> Hancock’s. But, the state’s order replaces both Boulder County’s, as well as 
> the Ti-County Health Department’s orders.
> 
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County (thankfully!)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Thomas Heinrich  wrote:
>> 
>> Just happened to find this relevant article on the Denver Post website:
>> 
>> https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020/03/26/hiking-mountains-denver-stay-at-home-order/236219/
>> 
>> Thomas Heinrich
>> nyc...@aol.com
>> Boulder, CO
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Susan Rosine  wrote:
>>> I was not aware of that restriction. I thought you could travel anywhere to 
>>> exercise, which includes birding. I thought that's why the state parks were 
>>> still open. 
>>> So people in the mountains can't go to the plains, and vice versa? Like how 
>>> far away from your town can you go? I've seen nothing about that. 
>>> I stay sooo far away from people all the time, and I have left the city 
>>> limits.
>>> Susan Rosine
>>> Brighton
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Susan Rosine]

That's a good question. What is my region? 
I've been mostly birding from my car. I do get out and walk around if there are 
NO humans around. I carry lots of hand sanitizer in my car, mainly to use at 
the gas station.
Thank you everyone for responding to my questions. I don't want to be breaking 
any laws!
Susan Rosine
Brighton 

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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Gary Brower]

Allison,

I’m not advocating running around the state. I was just clarifying that the 
Denver “stay-at-home” order is different than the state’s.

And, of course, what does “region” mean? This is probably the “squishiest” 
concept in the whole thing!

Gary Brower
Unincorporated Arapahoe County

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Allison Hilf  wrote:
> 
> Gary-
> Nobody is saying you can't go hiking, snowshoeing, etc. in the region of the 
> state you live in, so long as you observe social distancing regulations. 
> However THINK about purpose of having people to stay in region.  It's to not 
> spread virus.   TRAVELING spreads virus, period.  The question has been asked 
> at news conferences and Gov. Polis was on news Friday explaining exercising 
> and participating in outdoor activities in your REGION is fine.
> 
> Jefferson County has one of the larger numbers of COVID19 cases in the state, 
> all who find it necessary to chase the Sagebrush Sparrow for your County 
> Lists there, I hope you stay in YOUR REGION  for at least 14 days afterwards 
> to protect the vulnerable with pre-existing health conditions.  If you 
> watched the bird from your car, this wouldn't be as important to me, but it 
> still violates State Regulations.  
> 
> Allison Hilf
> Aurora,CO
> 
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 5:45 AM Gary Brower  > wrote:
> Read all the way through the article.  It is aimed at DENVER residents.  
> Here’s the appropriate sentence (from the article, anyway)— the next-to-last 
> “paragraph”:
> 
> You might be thinking, “Well hold on a second, Gov. Jared Polis said hiking 
> was fine!” Unfortunately for Denver residents, the stricter restrictions are 
> what apply, so in this particular case, the city and county order trumps the 
> statewide order.
> 
> The State’s order (under “Definitions”) reads:
> 
> 3. Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without 
> limitation,
> walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes 
> of
> outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public to engage in 
> walking,
> hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, 
> picnic
> areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas 
> shall
> be closed. Additionally, the permitted outdoor activities in this PHO do not
> include activities that would violate the Social Distancing Requirements
> 
> If there is another, more authoritative, ruling (than “TheKnow”), I’ll be 
> welcome to hear/read it.  In the meantime, I’ll stick with Polis’ order, not 
> Hancock’s. But, the state’s order replaces both Boulder County’s, as well as 
> the Ti-County Health Department’s orders.
> 
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County (thankfully!)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Thomas Heinrich > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just happened to find this relevant article on the Denver Post website:
>> 
>> https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020/03/26/hiking-mountains-denver-stay-at-home-order/236219/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Thomas Heinrich
>> nyc...@aol.com 
>> Boulder, CO
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Susan Rosine > > wrote:
>> I was not aware of that restriction. I thought you could travel anywhere to 
>> exercise, which includes birding. I thought that's why the state parks were 
>> still open. 
>> So people in the mountains can't go to the plains, and vice versa? Like how 
>> far away from your town can you go? I've seen nothing about that. 
>> I stay sooo far away from people all the time, and I have left the city 
>> limits.
>> Susan Rosine
>> Brighton
>> 
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Allison Hilf]

Gary
SeEtta's picture has Gov. Polis insignia on sign.it applies to the
whole state.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:42 AM Allison Hilf  wrote:

> Gary-
> Nobody is saying you can't go hiking, snowshoeing, etc. in the region of
> the state you live in, so long as you observe social distancing
> regulations. However THINK about purpose of having people to stay in
> region.  It's to not spread virus.   TRAVELING spreads virus, period.  The
> question has been asked at news conferences and Gov. Polis was on news
> Friday explaining exercising and participating in outdoor activities in
> your REGION is fine.
>
> Jefferson County has one of the larger numbers of COVID19 cases in the
> state, all who find it necessary to chase the Sagebrush Sparrow for your
> County Lists there, I hope you stay in YOUR REGION  for at least 14 days
> afterwards to protect the vulnerable with pre-existing health conditions.
> If you watched the bird from your car, this wouldn't be as important to me,
> but it still violates State Regulations.
>
> Allison Hilf
> Aurora,CO
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 5:45 AM Gary Brower  wrote:
>
>> Read all the way through the article.  It is aimed at DENVER residents.
>> Here’s the appropriate sentence (from the article, anyway)— the
>> next-to-last “paragraph”:
>>
>> You might be thinking, “Well hold on a second, Gov. Jared Polis said
>> hiking was fine!” Unfortunately for Denver residents, the stricter
>> restrictions are what apply, so in this particular case, the city and
>> county order trumps the statewide order.
>>
>>
>> The State’s order (under “Definitions”) reads:
>>
>> 3. Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without
>> limitation,
>> walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For
>> purposes of
>> outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public to engage in
>> walking,
>> hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all
>> playgrounds, picnic
>> areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended
>> areas shall
>> be closed. Additionally, the permitted outdoor activities in this PHO do
>> not
>> include activities that would violate the Social Distancing Requirements
>>
>>
>> If there is another, more authoritative, ruling (than “TheKnow”), I’ll be
>> welcome to hear/read it.  In the meantime, I’ll stick with Polis’ order,
>> not Hancock’s. But, the state’s order *replaces* both Boulder County’s,
>> as well as the Ti-County Health Department’s orders.
>>
>> Gary Brower
>> Unincorporated Arapahoe County (thankfully!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Thomas Heinrich 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just happened to find this relevant article on the Denver Post website:
>>
>>
>> https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020/03/26/hiking-mountains-denver-stay-at-home-order/236219/
>>
>> Thomas Heinrich
>> nyc...@aol.com
>> Boulder, CO
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Susan Rosine 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was not aware of that restriction. I thought you could travel anywhere
>>> to exercise, which includes birding. I thought that's why the state parks
>>> were still open.
>>> So people in the mountains can't go to the plains, and vice versa? Like
>>> how far away from your town can you go? I've seen nothing about that.
>>> I stay sooo far away from people all the time, and I have left the
>>> city limits.
>>> Susan Rosine
>>> Brighton
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Allison Hilf]

Gary-
Nobody is saying you can't go hiking, snowshoeing, etc. in the region of
the state you live in, so long as you observe social distancing
regulations. However THINK about purpose of having people to stay in
region.  It's to not spread virus.   TRAVELING spreads virus, period.  The
question has been asked at news conferences and Gov. Polis was on news
Friday explaining exercising and participating in outdoor activities in
your REGION is fine.

Jefferson County has one of the larger numbers of COVID19 cases in the
state, all who find it necessary to chase the Sagebrush Sparrow for your
County Lists there, I hope you stay in YOUR REGION  for at least 14 days
afterwards to protect the vulnerable with pre-existing health conditions.
If you watched the bird from your car, this wouldn't be as important to me,
but it still violates State Regulations.

Allison Hilf
Aurora,CO

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 5:45 AM Gary Brower  wrote:

> Read all the way through the article.  It is aimed at DENVER residents.
> Here’s the appropriate sentence (from the article, anyway)— the
> next-to-last “paragraph”:
>
> You might be thinking, “Well hold on a second, Gov. Jared Polis said
> hiking was fine!” Unfortunately for Denver residents, the stricter
> restrictions are what apply, so in this particular case, the city and
> county order trumps the statewide order.
>
>
> The State’s order (under “Definitions”) reads:
>
> 3. Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without
> limitation,
> walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For
> purposes of
> outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public to engage in
> walking,
> hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all
> playgrounds, picnic
> areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended
> areas shall
> be closed. Additionally, the permitted outdoor activities in this PHO do
> not
> include activities that would violate the Social Distancing Requirements
>
>
> If there is another, more authoritative, ruling (than “TheKnow”), I’ll be
> welcome to hear/read it.  In the meantime, I’ll stick with Polis’ order,
> not Hancock’s. But, the state’s order *replaces* both Boulder County’s,
> as well as the Ti-County Health Department’s orders.
>
> Gary Brower
> Unincorporated Arapahoe County (thankfully!)
>
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Thomas Heinrich 
> wrote:
>
> Just happened to find this relevant article on the Denver Post website:
>
>
> https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020/03/26/hiking-mountains-denver-stay-at-home-order/236219/
>
> Thomas Heinrich
> nyc...@aol.com
> Boulder, CO
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Susan Rosine  wrote:
>
>> I was not aware of that restriction. I thought you could travel anywhere
>> to exercise, which includes birding. I thought that's why the state parks
>> were still open.
>> So people in the mountains can't go to the plains, and vice versa? Like
>> how far away from your town can you go? I've seen nothing about that.
>> I stay sooo far away from people all the time, and I have left the
>> city limits.
>> Susan Rosine
>> Brighton
>>
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Re: [cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Gary Brower]

Read all the way through the article.  It is aimed at DENVER residents.  Here’s 
the appropriate sentence (from the article, anyway)— the next-to-last 
“paragraph”:

You might be thinking, “Well hold on a second, Gov. Jared Polis said hiking was 
fine!” Unfortunately for Denver residents, the stricter restrictions are what 
apply, so in this particular case, the city and county order trumps the 
statewide order.

The State’s order (under “Definitions”) reads:

3. Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without 
limitation,
walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of
outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public to engage in 
walking,
hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor activities but all playgrounds, 
picnic
areas, other similar areas conducive to public gathering, and attended areas 
shall
be closed. Additionally, the permitted outdoor activities in this PHO do not
include activities that would violate the Social Distancing Requirements

If there is another, more authoritative, ruling (than “TheKnow”), I’ll be 
welcome to hear/read it.  In the meantime, I’ll stick with Polis’ order, not 
Hancock’s. But, the state’s order replaces both Boulder County’s, as well as 
the Ti-County Health Department’s orders.

Gary Brower
Unincorporated Arapahoe County (thankfully!)



> On Mar 28, 2020, at 11:36 PM, Thomas Heinrich  wrote:
> 
> Just happened to find this relevant article on the Denver Post website:
> 
> https://theknow.denverpost.com/2020/03/26/hiking-mountains-denver-stay-at-home-order/236219/
>  
> 
> 
> Thomas Heinrich
> nyc...@aol.com 
> Boulder, CO
> 
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:55 PM Susan Rosine  > wrote:
> I was not aware of that restriction. I thought you could travel anywhere to 
> exercise, which includes birding. I thought that's why the state parks were 
> still open. 
> So people in the mountains can't go to the plains, and vice versa? Like how 
> far away from your town can you go? I've seen nothing about that. 
> I stay sooo far away from people all the time, and I have left the city 
> limits.
> Susan Rosine
> Brighton
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[cobirds] Interpretation of state-wide Public Health Order

[Nicholas Komar]

My interpretation of the latest state-wide public health order, now in place 
until April 11, is that it does permit recreation including birding, as long as 
group activities are avoided, and social distancing practices are in use. 
However, be smart, folks. Avoid ANY public areas where the pandemic virus may 
be lurking on surfaces, and stay home if you have symptoms. Stay home if you 
are in a high risk group. It is imperative that we slow the epidemic curve of 
this virus to avoid overwhelming the health care system.

This is my personal opinion. 

Nick Komar
Fort Collins CO

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