Timeout after application:openFile: stalling applescript
My application implements the NSApplicationDelegate method
-application:openFile: in its app delegate. There seems to be a problem new
to OS 10.8 where after receiving the apple event to open a file, five
seconds pass before some kind of internal timeout is hit, a response is
sent to the apple event, and the calling app (e.g., applescript editor)
proceeds.
In detail, here's what I see. After application:openFile: returns YES, I
can see that -[NSAppleEventManager suspendCurrentAppleEvent] is called:
#0 0x7fff8f07b5ed in -[NSAppleEventManager *suspendCurrentAppleEvent*]
()
#1 0x7fff8f90458e in -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling)
_handleAEOpenDocumentsForURLs:] ()
#2 0x7fff8f903b55 in -[NSApplication(NSScripting)
handleOpenScriptCommand:] ()
#3 0x7fff90770cac in __invoking___ ()
#4 0x7fff90770b47 in -[NSInvocation invoke] ()
#5 0x7fff90770d19 in -[NSInvocation invokeWithTarget:] ()
#6 0x7fff8f10121c in -[NSScriptCommand _sendToRemainingReceivers] ()
#7 0x7fff8f1014c6 in -[NSScriptCommand executeCommand] ()
#8 0x7fff8f11983a in -[NSScriptingAppleEventHandler
handleCommandEvent:withReplyEvent:] ()
#9 0x7fff8f00635b in -[NSAppleEventManager
dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] ()
#10 0x7fff8f0061bd in _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler ()
#11 0x7fff93844f68 in aeDispatchAppleEvent ()
#12 0x7fff93844dc9 in dispatchEventAndSendReply ()
#13 0x7fff93844c89 in aeProcessAppleEvent ()
#14 0x7fff8c141e29 in AEProcessAppleEvent ()
#15 0x7fff8f6b22a6 in _DPSNextEvent ()
#16 0x7fff8f6b1862 in -[NSApplication
nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] ()
#17 0x7fff8f6a8c03 in -[NSApplication run] ()
#18 0x7fff8f64d656 in NSApplicationMain ()
#19 0x00011d7c in main (argc=3, argv=0x7fff5fbff7c0) at main.m:23
After five seconds, -[NSAppleEventManager resumeWithSuspensionID:] is
called:
#0 0x7fff8f07b6be in -[NSAppleEventManager *resumeWithSuspensionID*:]
()
#1 0x7fff8f90585f in __block_global_1 ()
#2 0x7fff9073a4b4 in *
__CFRUNLOOP_IS_CALLING_OUT_TO_A_TIMER_CALLBACK_FUNCTION__* ()
#3 0x7fff90739fcd in __CFRunLoopDoTimer ()
#4 0x7fff9071f7b9 in __CFRunLoopRun ()
#5 0x7fff9071edd2 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific ()
#6 0x7fff8c137774 in RunCurrentEventLoopInMode ()
#7 0x7fff8c137512 in ReceiveNextEventCommon ()
#8 0x7fff8c1373a3 in BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode ()
#9 0x7fff8f6b1fa3 in _DPSNextEvent ()
#10 0x7fff8f6b1862 in -[NSApplication
nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] ()
#11 0x7fff8f6a8c03 in -[NSApplication run] ()
#12 0x7fff8f64d656 in NSApplicationMain ()
#13 0x00011d7c in main (argc=3, argv=0x7fff5fbff7c0) at main.m:23
Evidently, some kind of timeout was reached since resumeWithSuspensionID:
is called from a timer and it is always very close to 5 second between my
application:openFile: method returning and resumeWithSuspensionID: being
called.
After this, things proceed normally: whatever applescript invoked open
file ... continues at the next statement. There don't appear to be any
errors--it just times out waiting for something.
I turned on AEDebugSends and AEDebugReceives. Here's what I see up to the
timeout:
Aug 23 21:26:05 George-Nachmans-MacBook-Air.local iTerm[4819] Info:
_aeMachPortCallback(), got a message, @ 0x0x7fff5fbfe1f0 size=972 info=0
(_aeMachPortCallback()/AEMach.cp #643) main
Aug 23 21:26:05 George-Nachmans-MacBook-Air.local iTerm[4819] Notice:
AE2000 (4819: Received an event:
--oo start of event oo--
aevt('aevt'\'odoc' transactionID=0 returnID=3711 sourcePSN=[0x0,6f06f
AppleScript Editor] eventSource=3 sourceUID=501 sourceGID=20
sourceEUID=501 sourceEGID=20 sourcePID=3551
auditToken=[501,501,20,501,20,3551,15,3551]{ '':obj ('obj '{
'form':enum('name'), 'want':type('file'),
'seld':utxt('utxt'(TEXT(Macintosh HD:Users:georgen:Library:Application
Support:iTerm:version.txt))), 'from':null() }), 'csig':magn(65536) })
--oo end of event oo--
(aeProcessIncomingEvent()/AEMach.cp #1445) main
2012-08-23 21:26:05.451 iTerm[4819:707] Command: NSCoreSuite.Open
Direct Parameter: /Users/georgen/Library/Application
Support/iTerm/version.txt
Receivers: (null)
Arguments: {
= /Users/georgen/Library/Application Support/iTerm/version.txt;
}
Then, after the timeout I see this (which is logged because I also set
NSScriptingDebugLogLevel to 1):
2012-08-23 21:26:36.347 iTerm[4819:707] Result: null
My openFile: method doesn't do anything besides return YES. Is there
something else I need to do to make the framework happy?
Thanks,
George
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Rendering combining marks
Hi cocoa-dev, I'm using CGContextShowGlyphsWithAdvances to render fixed-width text because it is very fast. If a glyph is missing, I use CTFontCreateForString() to pick a better font, and that usually works. I ran into a case that I just can't solve with this technique: the glyph for code point U+20d1 (COMBINING RIGHT HARPOON ABOVE) exists in only one font on my system (Arial Unicode MS) and it is apparently not in the global cascade list. I see that Terminal.app is somehow able to correctly render this glyph (and it also uses CGContextShowGlyphsWithAdvances when rendering such characters, at least in part, as I can see from Activity Monitor's sampling). So I think the trick is in finding out which font(s) have some glyph, but I don't see an API to do this. Any ideas? Thanks, George ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:16:58 -0500 From: Bill Cheeseman wjcheese...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Odd problem with event taps when job is killed To: Cocoa-Dev Mail Cocoa-Dev cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: 80e43f4f-a032-4452-bb1f-80f7b7bf7...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 22, 2010, at 5:14 PM, George Nachman wrote: I recently added an event tap to my program. Since doing that, there is a strange behavior: when I kill my job (usually by making a change in Xcode and pressing cmd-Enter, being prompted to kill the job, and selecting OK), it will repeat back the last 10-20 keypresses as or after it dies You have to uninstall an event tap when you're through with it. Perhaps you aren't uninstalling it, and it lives on? Apple engineer Mike Paquette explained how to do this in messages to the quartz-dev mailing list on 2007-03-18 and 2008-02-12: CFMachPortInvalidate(tapMachPortRef); // switches off the event tap; invalidates tapRunLoopSourceRef, too, and drops retain counts on both by 1 so the CFRelease will release the objects and not leak CFRunLoopRemoveSource(CFRunLoopGetCurrent(), tapRunLoopSourceRef, kCFRunLoopCommonModes); CFRelease(tapRunLoopSourceRef); CFRelease(tapMachPortRef); -- Bill Cheeseman - b...@cheeseman.name Apologies for the delay, I was on vacation. I narrowed down the problem a bit, and that solution would not work. The problem occurs when you do this: 1. Start program in debugger 2. Program registers an event tap 3. Break the program (for example, by choosing Pause from the Run menu in Xcode, or pressing ^C in gdb) 4. Type some stuff 5. Kill the program 6. Everything you typed after step 5 is repeated by the ghost. My program never has a chance to remove its event tap. Luckily this won't affect users, so I guess I will shake my fist at the universe and move on :) ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Odd problem with event taps when job is killed
Hi cocoa-dev,
I recently added an event tap to my program. Since doing that, there is a
strange behavior: when I kill my job (usually by making a change in Xcode
and pressing cmd-Enter, being prompted to kill the job, and selecting OK),
it will repeat back the last 10-20 keypresses as or after it dies. For
example, if I do this:
1. Start my program
2. Switch back to Xcode and type foo in some source file.
3. Cmd-enter in Xcode
4. A dialog asks if I want to kill the job, say yes.
5. A ghost types foo in whatever window the cursor happens to be in.
This is on 10.6.4 and Xcode 3.2.3. I register the event tap like this:
machPortRef = CGEventTapCreate(kCGHIDEventTap,
kCGHeadInsertEventTap,
kCGEventTapOptionListenOnly,
CGEventMaskBit(kCGEventKeyDown),
(CGEventTapCallBack)OnTappedEvent,
self);
if (machPortRef) {
CFRunLoopSourceRef eventSrc;
eventSrc = CFMachPortCreateRunLoopSource(NULL, machPortRef, 0);
if (eventSrc == NULL) {
DebugLog(@CFMachPortCreateRunLoopSource failed.);
} else {
// Get the CFRunLoop primitive for the Carbon Main Event
Loop, and add the new event souce
CFRunLoopAddSource(CFRunLoopGetCurrent(), eventSrc,
kCFRunLoopDefaultMode);
CFRelease(eventSrc);
}
}
Even if my handler does nothing, it still exhibits this behavior:
static CGEventRef OnTappedEvent(CGEventTapProxy proxy, CGEventType type,
CGEventRef event, void *refcon)
{
return event;
}
I couldn't find reports of anyone else having this problem, which usually
means I did something wrong :). Any ideas on what could cause this?
Thanks,
George
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Re: Adding and removing menu items causes memory usage to grow
That's it all right. Thank you for helping with your DELICIOUS BRAINS. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Synthetiq Solutions con...@synthetiqsolutions.com wrote: George Nachman wrote: In trying to figure this out, I downloaded the binary distribution of my program that someone else built (before I took it over). That version does not leak. But if I check out the code they used and build my own deployment build, that does leak. What could be different about my build environment that would cause this? Do you have zombies enabled by any chance? That could explain why your locally built version leaks. -- Conrad Shultz Synthetiq Solutions www.synthetiqsolutions.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Adding and removing menu items causes memory usage to grow
Thanks for the response, Sherm. I added the code as you suggested but
the leak persists. I originally discovered this issue because my
program would grow slowly over several days; the code I originally
posted was being called once a second from the event loop, which I
guess would allow the autorelease pools to be freed.
In trying to figure this out, I downloaded the binary distribution of
my program that someone else built (before I took it over). That
version does not leak. But if I check out the code they used and build
my own deployment build, that does leak.
What could be different about my build environment that would cause this?
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Sherm Pendley sherm.pend...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, George Nachman gnach...@llamas.org wrote:
I was tracking down memory growth in my application and isolated it to
the repeated adding and removing of menu items. Doing this causes a
growth of about 1MB:
for (int i = 0; i 1000; ++i) {
NSAutoreleasePool *myPool = [[NSAutoreleasePool alloc] init];
NSMenu *aMenu = [[NSMenu alloc] init];
NSMenuItem* i = [[NSMenuItem alloc] initWithTitle: @AAA
action:nil keyEquivalent:@];
[aMenu addItem:i];
[i release];
[aMenu removeItemAtIndex:0];
[aMenu release];
[myPool drain];
}
The Leaks instrument doesn't show any leaks. Allocations shows a whole
bunch of different objects growing, but CFBasicHash is the worst
offender, with lots of allocations in -[NSMenu insertItem:atIndex:]
and -[NSMenu removeItemAtIndex:].
At a guess, I'd say that -[NSMenu removeItemAtIndex:] autoreleases the
removed item, and since you're in a loop here that doesn't pump the
run loop, the autorelease pool isn't being drained. Try allocating an
AR pool at the top of your loop, and sending it a -drain at the
bottom, like I've added above.
sherm--
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Adding and removing menu items causes memory usage to grow
Hi cocoa-dev,
I was tracking down memory growth in my application and isolated it to
the repeated adding and removing of menu items. Doing this causes a
growth of about 1MB:
for (int i = 0; i 1000; ++i) {
NSMenu *aMenu = [[NSMenu alloc] init];
NSMenuItem* i = [[NSMenuItem alloc] initWithTitle: @AAA
action:nil keyEquivalent:@];
[aMenu addItem:i];
[i release];
[aMenu removeItemAtIndex:0];
[aMenu release];
}
The Leaks instrument doesn't show any leaks. Allocations shows a whole
bunch of different objects growing, but CFBasicHash is the worst
offender, with lots of allocations in -[NSMenu insertItem:atIndex:]
and -[NSMenu removeItemAtIndex:].
This is on OS 10.6.4. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks,
George
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