Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file? BACK ON TRACK
Well, Erik, you know that sometimes we inherit working code without knowing much about its history. I don't want to break something that already works (and ships), and re-factoring the whole codebase is not part of my charter. I am trying to add my stuff without disturbing the working app. I think I will be moving a lot of the outlets that concern my module, but as for the rest ... If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (The message thread you mention looks like a rich source. I will have to read the whole thing. I have only been on the forum a couple of weeks, and I am running to catch up.) On Jun 17, 2008, at 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over 130 outlets! Holy Sassafras Tea! That is ten to fifteen times more outlets than I have ever seen in a single class in 20 years of Objective-C programming! I suspect you are doing something very wrong. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file? BACK ON TRACK
Over 130 outlets! Holy Sassafras Tea! That is ten to fifteen times more outlets than I have ever seen in a single class in 20 years of Objective-C programming! I suspect you are doing something very wrong. First, use the Model-View-Controller pattern. Dont store application state or Model data in the View. Second, use patterns like data source and objects like NSTableView and NSMatrix and NSColectionView to structure user interfaces that require lots of objects. Regarding the original question: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file? I was hoping someone would point out the answer that was provided in this forum one month before this question was asked (again): http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/message/cocoa/2008/5/15/206771 ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file? BACK ON TRACK
Okay, I see them now. I was missing them in the rather long list of outlets (over 130!) for the main controller. I wanted to understand this better because I want to re-factor the code so that there are NOT 135 outlets for one controller. Currently we have two windows that handle different tasks, but share the controller. I want separate controllers for each window/task. Thanks, Ken. On Jun 13, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Ken Thomases wrote: On jun 13, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: This puzzles me. I am tracing through some code in which I am looking at the value of some selected popup menu items. I am seeing the correct values for them, but I have to confess I don't know how the code is connected to the popup, or just why the code even works! I see the connections for the buttons on the interface, and I hit the breakpoints I expect, but I don't see any connections between the member variables and the popup items. There are instance vars for the popups in the code, but I don't see how they are connected to the NIB. It sounds to me like you're not familiar with "outlets", which is a pretty basic part of Cocoa GUI design. You probably need to review the conceptual documentation: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ CocoaFundamentals/ http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ CocoaFundamentals/CommunicatingWithObjects/ chapter_6_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002974-CH7-SW3 Regards, Ken ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file?
On 13 Jun '08, at 2:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: This puzzles me. I am tracing through some code in which I am looking at the value of some selected popup menu items. I am seeing the correct values for them, but I have to confess I don't know how the code is connected to the popup, or just why the code even works! I see the connections for the buttons on the interface, and I hit the breakpoints I expect, but I don't see any connections between the member variables and the popup items. It happens when the nib is loaded. As the objects in the nib get created, their instance variables are set up to point to each other as described in the nib. This even applies to your controller object (the one that "owns" the nib), which exists before the nib is loaded — AppKit uses Obj-C introspection to look up its instance variables dynamically and change them to point to the objects from the nib. —Jens smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file?
On jun 13, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: This puzzles me. I am tracing through some code in which I am looking at the value of some selected popup menu items. I am seeing the correct values for them, but I have to confess I don't know how the code is connected to the popup, or just why the code even works! I see the connections for the buttons on the interface, and I hit the breakpoints I expect, but I don't see any connections between the member variables and the popup items. There are instance vars for the popups in the code, but I don't see how they are connected to the NIB. It sounds to me like you're not familiar with "outlets", which is a pretty basic part of Cocoa GUI design. You probably need to review the conceptual documentation: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ CocoaFundamentals/ http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ CocoaFundamentals/CommunicatingWithObjects/chapter_6_section_3.html#// apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002974-CH7-SW3 Regards, Ken ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file?
Hint: If you want to ask a question about your code, we're not psychics On Jun 13, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Paul Archibald wrote: Comrades: This puzzles me. I am tracing through some code in which I am looking at the value of some selected popup menu items. I am seeing the correct values for them, but I have to confess I don't know how the code is connected to the popup, or just why the code even works! I see the connections for the buttons on the interface, and I hit the breakpoints I expect, but I don't see any connections between the member variables and the popup items. There are instance vars for the popups in the code, but I don't see how they are connected to the NIB. Paul (I hope I didn't already ask this question!) ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/robmartin%40frontiernet.net This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How does an instance variable in the ObjC code get connected to an interface element in the NIB file?
Comrades: This puzzles me. I am tracing through some code in which I am looking at the value of some selected popup menu items. I am seeing the correct values for them, but I have to confess I don't know how the code is connected to the popup, or just why the code even works! I see the connections for the buttons on the interface, and I hit the breakpoints I expect, but I don't see any connections between the member variables and the popup items. There are instance vars for the popups in the code, but I don't see how they are connected to the NIB. Paul (I hope I didn't already ask this question!) ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
