Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Collen
Tony Collen wrote:



Matthew,

I did some digging, and it seems to be a result of their acquisition 
back in April of a company named Accelio.  I posted my findings at 
http://manero.org/weblog/archives/05.html#05


BTW, I just played with the Adobe Accelio Capture demo, and it's 
basically a java applet that displays and validates a form.  Check it 
out at http://apps.accelio.com/license/default.htm .  

When the form is filled out correctly, it submits the data to a server, 
and then gives you a printable (PDF) of the form you just filled out. 
This sounds like a good application of XForms + fo2pdf Serializer :D

Tony



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RE: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Argyn . Kuketayev
 doesn't look like an applet to me. It's ASP with HTML forms. Ain't I right?


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From: Tony Collen
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Subject: Re: Adobe new products

Tony Collen wrote:


 Matthew,

 I did some digging, and it seems to be a result of their acquisition 
 back in April of a company named Accelio.  I posted my findings at 
 http://manero.org/weblog/archives/05.html#05


BTW, I just played with the Adobe Accelio Capture demo, and it's 
basically a java applet that displays and validates a form.  Check it 
out at http://apps.accelio.com/license/default.htm .  

When the form is filled out correctly, it submits the data to a server, 
and then gives you a printable (PDF) of the form you just filled out. 
 This sounds like a good application of XForms + fo2pdf Serializer :D

Tony



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Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Collen
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doesn't look like an applet to me. It's ASP with HTML forms. Ain't I right?

 

I tried the second application method 
(http://apps.accelio.com/license/license.asp?formname=regulation.xftpreference=reach), 
and it seemed to load an applet.

Tony



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Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Collen
Ilya A. Kriveshko wrote:


I do not see the need for it to be an applet, though.
There is nothing there that [D]HTML couldn't do.
But why make it simple? ;-)



If it weren't complicated, I doubt Adobe would have paid $72 Million USD 
for Accelio :)

Tony



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Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Ilya A. Kriveshko
I do not see the need for it to be an applet, though.
There is nothing there that [D]HTML couldn't do.
But why make it simple? ;-)
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Tony Collen wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


doesn't look like an applet to me. It's ASP with HTML forms. Ain't I 
right?

I tried the second application method 
(http://apps.accelio.com/license/license.asp?formname=regulation.xftpreference=reach), 
and it seemed to load an applet.

Tony




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Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Tony Collen
Matthew Langham wrote:


I read this morning on Heise (www.heise.de - German) about Adobe introducing
a new range of products for big business. Looks like they will be bringing
out a Forms Server, an Output Server, a Workflow Server and a
Document Server - all designed to make PDF ubiquitous. And each server
with a separate price tag I would assume. If I didn't know better - from the
limited description - I would say they could be using Cocoon (or a Cocoon
based solution) for all that.

Does anyone have any additional information - I think the release is next
week.
 


Matthew,

I did some digging, and it seems to be a result of their acquisition 
back in April of a company named Accelio.  I posted my findings at 
http://manero.org/weblog/archives/05.html#05


Regards,
Tony  


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RE: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Argyn . Kuketayev
I don't get why they use an Applet. This applet simply makes a browser to
submit the HTTP request to the same ASP, where the HTML form does. 

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From: Ilya A. Kriveshko
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Sent: 10/17/02 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe new products

I do not see the need for it to be an applet, though.
There is nothing there that [D]HTML couldn't do.
But why make it simple? ;-)
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Tony Collen wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 doesn't look like an applet to me. It's ASP with HTML forms. Ain't I 
 right?

 I tried the second application method 

(http://apps.accelio.com/license/license.asp?formname=regulation.xftpre
ference=reach), 
 and it seemed to load an applet.

 Tony




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RE: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Argyn . Kuketayev
You are right, it's an applet in Netscape, and HTML form in IE. 

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From: Tony Collen
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Sent: 10/17/02 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe new products

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 doesn't look like an applet to me. It's ASP with HTML forms. Ain't I
right?

  

I tried the second application method 
(http://apps.accelio.com/license/license.asp?formname=regulation.xftpre
ference=reach), 
and it seemed to load an applet.

Tony



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Re: Adobe new products

2002-10-18 Thread Antonio Gallardo Rivera
Nice to include in Cocoon a example of that and more! :-D

Like also adding it to a database

Antonio Gallardo

El Jueves, 17 de Octubre de 2002 14:45, Tony Collen escribió:
 Tony Collen wrote:
  Matthew,
 
  I did some digging, and it seems to be a result of their acquisition
  back in April of a company named Accelio.  I posted my findings at
  http://manero.org/weblog/archives/05.html#05

 BTW, I just played with the Adobe Accelio Capture demo, and it's
 basically a java applet that displays and validates a form.  Check it
 out at http://apps.accelio.com/license/default.htm .

 When the form is filled out correctly, it submits the data to a server,
 and then gives you a printable (PDF) of the form you just filled out.
  This sounds like a good application of XForms + fo2pdf Serializer :D

 Tony



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Adobe new products

2002-10-17 Thread Matthew Langham

I read this morning on Heise (www.heise.de - German) about Adobe introducing
a new range of products for big business. Looks like they will be bringing
out a Forms Server, an Output Server, a Workflow Server and a
Document Server - all designed to make PDF ubiquitous. And each server
with a separate price tag I would assume. If I didn't know better - from the
limited description - I would say they could be using Cocoon (or a Cocoon
based solution) for all that.

Does anyone have any additional information - I think the release is next
week.

Matthew

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From: Ovidiu Predescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:33 AM
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 08:10  AM, Nathaniel Alfred wrote:


 We have written a basic JFreeSerializer.  Just enough
 functionality for
 producing time series charts in png from datapoints sent down the
 pipeline from an XSP generator.

 ...mind to contribute it as new block? :-)

 Sure, if there is interest for it.
 But it will take me some time to figure out how to package a block.
 Anyone who could give me a hand?

 What about the licensing issue?  JFreeChart is under LGPL.
 Any objections to adding the JARs to the Cocoon distribution?

Ops, you'll have a problem with ASF and I think with Krisalis as well.
It's a real bummer people don't like LGPL. Or that some people release
code under LGPL. Depending on which side you are ;)

Perhaps the best way is to have your code compile conditionally as a
block only if the JFreeChart is in lib/optional or lib/local.

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RE: Adobe new products

2002-10-17 Thread ROSSEL Olivier

 I read this morning on Heise (www.heise.de - German) about 
 Adobe introducing
 a new range of products for big business. Looks like they 
 will be bringing
 out a Forms Server, an Output Server, a Workflow Server and a
 Document Server - all designed to make PDF ubiquitous. And 
 each server
 with a separate price tag I would assume. If I didn't know 
 better - from the
 limited description - I would say they could be using Cocoon 
 (or a Cocoon
 based solution) for all that.
 
 Does anyone have any additional information - I think the 
 release is next
 week.

I think this is a great news, both for web developpers (1) and for 
Cocoon developpers (2).

(1) One big commercial product is available that shares the philosophy of
Cocoon.
If your company wants you to devellop web things, you can say Hey, Adobe
sells products that sound really great.

(2) The fact that a big company chooses such a model for web development 
will credibilize Cocoon. Chiefs will say Wow, Adobe products sound great
but it costs a lot. Open source geeks have made a clone of them? Yes?
Cocoon?
Well, let's give it a try!.

Of course, the ideal scenario is to chain (1) and (2) :-))
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