RE: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Rick Wayne]

On Mon, 2002-06-10 at 03:01, Matthew Langham wrote:
> Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
> conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
> noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting anything. Is this the
> case?
> 
> And there is only 1 presentation on Cocoon at the O'Reilly OSCC in July -
> which is way tooo few!

matthew, i happened to run across this old note pursuant to some
research, and thought i'd let you know that i did a class at Software
Development West 2002, and will be submitting another for next spring.
so maybe there's a little hope!

(the research, BTW, was for an item in SD magazine's "New & Noteworthy"
column: a bit on cocoon 2.0, and another on the book, for which i thank
you and carsten!)

rw


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Re: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Ivelin Ivanov]

Thanks for letting us know Mathew.

I hope you'll add the links to these articles and ApacheCon 
presentations in the Cocoon Links pages.


Matthew Langham wrote:
> Ivelin wrote:
> 
> 
> Those new couple books coming out this year will certainly help with 1).
> Are there folks that can help publishing more articles in the computer
> magazines?
> <<
> 
> Carsten and I have written 2 articles on Cocoon for German IT magazines this
> year. We have another one planned for xml.com in July.
> 
> Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
> conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
> noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting anything. Is this the
> case?
> 
> And there is only 1 presentation on Cocoon at the O'Reilly OSCC in July -
> which is way tooo few!
> 
> Matthew
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: Cocoon article on JDJ
> 
> 
> 
> Good article. Inspiring for the new comers.
> 
> 
> It's sad to read though that:
> 
> 1) Cocoon may not catch up with big enough user base, so there is a risk of
> using it.
> 2) Cocoon is not applicable for large scale applications.
> 
> Those new couple books coming out this year will certainly help with 1).
> Are there folks that can help publishing more articles in the computer
> magazines?
> 
> 
> With the new contribution for Expires response header and caching
> improvements, 2) shouldn't be a big deal any more.
> BTW, is Expires checked in already?
> 
> 
> Ivelin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sylvain Wallez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:29 AM
> Subject: Cocoon article on JDJ
> 
> 
> 
>>There's a interesting article introducing Cocoon on the Java Developer's
>>Journal at http://www.sys-con.com/java/articleprint.cfm?id=1480
>>
>>Notice how the author states in the intro that Cocoon doesn't have the
>>visibility it deserves :
>> >>
>>Apache Cocoon is one of the most interesting, innovative, and powerful
>>platforms for dynamic content generation, though not as well known as
>>the others. A subproject of the Apache XML project, Cocoon is one of the
>>lesser-known offerings from the folks at the all-open-source Apache
>>Software Foundation, having garnered less attention than some of its
>>more popular cousins like Struts. But Cocoon is worth a look.
>><<
>>
>>This once again clearly shows that Cocoon needs marketing !
>>
>>Sylvain
>>
>>PS : thanks to Matthew and Guido for the link.
>>
>>--
>>Sylvain Wallez
>>  Anyware Technologies  Apache Cocoon
>>  http://www.anyware-tech.com   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Paul Gilligan]

I hope that it will be in XML format :)

Argyn Kuketayev wrote:
>>Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
>>conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
>>noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting 
>>anything. Is this the
>>case?
> 
> 
> I was going to write an article this year on Cocoon. Nobody (whom I sent
> proposals) seemed interested so far :)
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RE: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Argyn Kuketayev]

> Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
> conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
> noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting 
> anything. Is this the
> case?

I was going to write an article this year on Cocoon. Nobody (whom I sent
proposals) seemed interested so far :)

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RE: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Andreas Kuehne]

Hi Matthew,

> Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
> conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
> noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting anything. Is this the
> case?
I would be eager to do some presentatitions on Cocoon, but as a relative newbie ( 
'till now got
just one commercial site to production ), I don't want to tap on your toes !!

But it's a problem that people don't like to have dry conceptual presentations but 
success
stories. Most of the companies don't want to have their internal structures presented 
to potential
hackers. What's your experience ?

Regards

Andreas K.

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RE: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Matthew Langham]

Ivelin wrote:

>>
Those new couple books coming out this year will certainly help with 1).
Are there folks that can help publishing more articles in the computer
magazines?
<<

Carsten and I have written 2 articles on Cocoon for German IT magazines this
year. We have another one planned for xml.com in July.

Something we have noticed is the lack of Cocoon presentations at
conferences. We have submitted 3 for the coming ApacheCon but we have
noticed that we seem to be the only people submitting anything. Is this the
case?

And there is only 1 presentation on Cocoon at the O'Reilly OSCC in July -
which is way tooo few!

Matthew

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-Original Message-
From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:45 AM
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Subject: Re: Cocoon article on JDJ



Good article. Inspiring for the new comers.


It's sad to read though that:

1) Cocoon may not catch up with big enough user base, so there is a risk of
using it.
2) Cocoon is not applicable for large scale applications.

Those new couple books coming out this year will certainly help with 1).
Are there folks that can help publishing more articles in the computer
magazines?


With the new contribution for Expires response header and caching
improvements, 2) shouldn't be a big deal any more.
BTW, is Expires checked in already?


Ivelin




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From: "Sylvain Wallez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Cocoon article on JDJ


> There's a interesting article introducing Cocoon on the Java Developer's
> Journal at http://www.sys-con.com/java/articleprint.cfm?id=1480
>
> Notice how the author states in the intro that Cocoon doesn't have the
> visibility it deserves :
>  >>
> Apache Cocoon is one of the most interesting, innovative, and powerful
> platforms for dynamic content generation, though not as well known as
> the others. A subproject of the Apache XML project, Cocoon is one of the
> lesser-known offerings from the folks at the all-open-source Apache
> Software Foundation, having garnered less attention than some of its
> more popular cousins like Struts. But Cocoon is worth a look.
> <<
>
> This once again clearly shows that Cocoon needs marketing !
>
> Sylvain
>
> PS : thanks to Matthew and Guido for the link.
>
> --
> Sylvain Wallez
>   Anyware Technologies  Apache Cocoon
>   http://www.anyware-tech.com   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Exipires headers (was: Re: Cocoon article on JDJ)

[Gianugo Rabellino]

Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
> It's sad to read though that:
> 2) Cocoon is not applicable for large scale applications.


> With the new contribution for Expires response header and caching
> improvements, 2) shouldn't be a big deal any more.
> BTW, is Expires checked in already?

Definitely yes, in HEAD only. I still have to understand some quirks in 
(reverse) proxy implementations, but it already works like a charm with 
clients (browsers). I hope to have it working RSN ar 100% with cachine 
enabled reverse proxies, but it already gives a sensible performance 
boost as of now.

The other good news is that the whole Cocoon environment will have the 
Expires information, since it's in the objectModel. This might lead to a 
change in the cache algorithms (I'm waiting for Carsten to finish up his 
event/stream cache unification to have a look at it), taking into 
account even this information.

Diana: an HOWTO is on the way, I promise :-)

Ciao,

-- 
Gianugo Rabellino


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Re: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Ivelin Ivanov]

Good article. Inspiring for the new comers.


It's sad to read though that:

1) Cocoon may not catch up with big enough user base, so there is a risk of
using it.
2) Cocoon is not applicable for large scale applications.

Those new couple books coming out this year will certainly help with 1).
Are there folks that can help publishing more articles in the computer
magazines?


With the new contribution for Expires response header and caching
improvements, 2) shouldn't be a big deal any more.
BTW, is Expires checked in already?


Ivelin




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From: "Sylvain Wallez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Cocoon article on JDJ


> There's a interesting article introducing Cocoon on the Java Developer's
> Journal at http://www.sys-con.com/java/articleprint.cfm?id=1480
>
> Notice how the author states in the intro that Cocoon doesn't have the
> visibility it deserves :
>  >>
> Apache Cocoon is one of the most interesting, innovative, and powerful
> platforms for dynamic content generation, though not as well known as
> the others. A subproject of the Apache XML project, Cocoon is one of the
> lesser-known offerings from the folks at the all-open-source Apache
> Software Foundation, having garnered less attention than some of its
> more popular cousins like Struts. But Cocoon is worth a look.
> <<
>
> This once again clearly shows that Cocoon needs marketing !
>
> Sylvain
>
> PS : thanks to Matthew and Guido for the link.
>
> --
> Sylvain Wallez
>   Anyware Technologies  Apache Cocoon
>   http://www.anyware-tech.com   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: Cocoon article on JDJ

[Mark Gaither]

- Original Message - 
From: "Sylvain Wallez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Cocoon article on JDJ


> There's a interesting article introducing Cocoon on the Java Developer's 
> Journal at http://www.sys-con.com/java/articleprint.cfm?id=1480
> 
> Notice how the author states in the intro that Cocoon doesn't have the 
> visibility it deserves :
>  >>
> Apache Cocoon is one of the most interesting, innovative, and powerful 
> platforms for dynamic content generation, though not as well known as 
> the others. A subproject of the Apache XML project, Cocoon is one of the 
> lesser-known offerings from the folks at the all-open-source Apache 
> Software Foundation, having garnered less attention than some of its 
> more popular cousins like Struts. But Cocoon is worth a look.

Wow, great article. Kudos to David Rosenstrauch. 

Mark Gaither


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