Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Actually, I will self-correct on the verb agreement. I'm seeing more usage of "They are" in the singular case though there are calls for it. The debates I'm reading get into the question of does keeping "they" ambiguous in terms of verb agreement impact recognizing the pronoun as part of one's identity. It's a fair point. APA recommends "they are". Chicago forbids singular they. The votes are still changing. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
I will bite: what is the purpose of this mailing list? We have had debates before about what this list should be and the consensus has been topics relevant to the code4lib community. This means that conversations can go beyond specifically library technologies and can touch into related issues. To me, learning the nuances of changing grammars around gender identity is relevant to our systems, especially when it comes to grammar checking as in this thread. Also, references for singular they: * A brief history of singular ‘they’: https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/ * APA Style: Singular "They": https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/grammar/singular-they Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
I think you did misunderstand me -- that is exactly what I said. 'My friend Johanna _is_ non-binary and _uses_ "they" pronouns.' The subject is "Johanna". It is a reference to a person who uses "they" pronouns, but the verbs are singular, "is" and "uses". Similarly, if you just used the phrase "my friend" as a reference to the non-binary Johana, the verb would be singular: 'My friend _is_ non-binary and _uses_ "they" pronouns.' But a pronoun referring to the same person elsewhere in the sentence would be plural to match their preference, producing a singular verb but plural pronoun: 'My friend walks to _their_ car. So, if the subject is a name, title, or other noun phrase (such as "my friend") referring to an individual who uses "they" pronouns, you use a singular verb, but would use the plural "they", "their", "their's", etc. if a pronoun referred to the individual elsewhere in the same sentence. But if the subject is a _pronoun_ referring to a person who uses "they" pronouns, the verb is plural form to match the plural pronoun. 'They _are_ vegan.' Vs. 'Johanna _is_ vegan.' Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
> > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns > for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the > subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the > subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb > would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns > for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the > subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the > subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb > would be singular. So you can get a mix of singular verb and plural > pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will not > be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles > meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase > to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is not going to get right. The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
There is Grammerly.com. It found your sample as correct. It can catch many mistakes. LiberOffice, the free alternative to Word, also has a grammar checker. Regards, David Bigwood dbigw...@lpi.usra.edu Regional Planetary Image Facility/Library Lunar and Planetary Institute https://repository.hou.usra.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 3:27 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Word has a reasonably good built-in grammar checker. There is always the Chicago Manual of Style, but that requires some research. I'm sure there are grammar checkers that can auto-correct sentences, but I don't happen to know any. Hopefully someone else does. For the specific example, no, that is not the correct match. Community is a singular noun; the plural is communities. So both the verb and the possessive pronoun should be singular. Thus, "The community is invited to share its thoughts." If instead you used "members of the community," the subject would be the plural "members" and the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural, "Members of the community are invited to share their thoughts." When the subject is an individual who uses "they" pronouns (or a royal in the royal "We" mode), the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural form. A grammar checker isn't going to get that right. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Word has a reasonably good built-in grammar checker. There is always the Chicago Manual of Style, but that requires some research. I'm sure there are grammar checkers that can auto-correct sentences, but I don't happen to know any. Hopefully someone else does. For the specific example, no, that is not the correct match. Community is a singular noun; the plural is communities. So both the verb and the possessive pronoun should be singular. Thus, "The community is invited to share its thoughts." If instead you used "members of the community," the subject would be the plural "members" and the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural, "Members of the community are invited to share their thoughts." When the subject is an individual who uses "they" pronouns (or a royal in the royal "We" mode), the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural form. A grammar checker isn't going to get that right. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
[CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
[CODE4LIB] Job: Data Analysis Specialist at Arizona State University Library
The Data Analysis Specialist for Library Analytics is a dynamic partner in helping ASU Library improve its operations and overall effectiveness through data-informed decision making. Reporting to the Lead for Library Analytics, the Data Analysis Specialist participates in, supports, and prepares data analyses and reports for business decision-making, strategic planning, and process improvement. This position works closely with stakeholders across the University and the Library to realize the goals of the Library Analytics program. Essential Duties Coordinates the Library’s required and voluntary reporting. Recommends approaches to identifying, collecting, interpreting, analyzing, and communicating with data to inform decision-making using data analysis techniques and effective reporting strategies Identifies, collects, organizes, synthesizes, and analyzes data, summarizes findings, and develops conclusions and recommendations. Utilizes various computer programs and software to perform data computation, statistical analysis, and other data manipulation activities. Assists in preparing presentations to stakeholders and university administration. Assists with the development of long-and short-range data analysis goals for the Library. Desired Qualifications Experience with creating interactive data analysis dashboards in Tableau or with similar tools. Experience with relational databases (SQL). Experience with data cleanup and manipulation tools such as Alteryx or Open Refine. Demonstrated ability to work effectively across multiple teams. Knowledge of process improvement frameworks. Experience working in higher education and/or libraries. Brought to you by code4lib jobs: https://jobs.code4lib.org/jobs/52938-data-analysis-specialist
[CODE4LIB] Job: Freelance Digital Edition Developer - repository GUIs at datafutures
Data Futures GmbH has an opening for a junior freelance website developer to join our digital edition team, and contribute on a regular basis. You will be responsible for developing GUIs for use by the research community and the public for literature that already forms InvenioRDM corpus repositories. This role will take outline visual and interaction specifications, and produce finished websites using data APIs which are already operating. You should be fluent with CSS, JavaScript, ReST interfaces; Bootstrap and Django, and able to demonstrate recent hands-on experience in similar roles, using current technologies and best development practices in front-end architecture, including performance planning and multi-platform accessibility. You must be thorough—aiming to deliver a maintainable product as well as having a keen engagement with user experience. Responsibilities Design and plan implementation based on initial requirements and GUI mock-up Review with Data Futures and client representatives and agree schedule Transform designs into front-end prototype with agreed functionality and styling Work with back-end and API developers to meet performance and deployment goals Commission and hand over to maintenance team To apply for this position please submit your CV together with remuneration goals and links to a portfolio of existing projects: kath...@data-futures.org Brought to you by code4lib jobs: https://jobs.code4lib.org/jobs/52935-freelance-digital-edition-developer-repository-guis
