Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
In one of my early writing classes in college (so, like 1990!), two of my 'textbooks' were The Handbook of Good English by Edward Johnson and The Transitive Vampire by Karen Gordon. I appreciate them so much, that they still reside on my bookshelf at work, within easy reach. What a wonderful reminder. The pages are turning brown (full-on acidity on these pages) and I might need to go reread them for pleasure. I'm guessing that some of the guidance they offered on hyphens, spelling out numbers, and spacing don't match the modern day guidance offered by my employer (our content editors chase my writing around removing all that extraneous space I put after every period 😊.) ~ Amy -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:12 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites >>>>>Caution: This message did not originate from within ITHAKA's email system. >>>>>Please use caution when opening attachments and following links within >>>>>this message.<<<<< As a follow up, what's your favorite printed grammar book? Thanks, Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
As a follow up, what's your favorite printed grammar book? Thanks, Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
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Hi All, Thank you all for a lively discussion! Stephen - what do you use to check your grammar? Printed AP Style? NYTimes printe style book? Thank you so much. Charles. Date:Tue, 7 Jun 2022 20:43:45 + From:"McDonald, Stephen" Subject: Re: Grammar Checker - sites I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is not going to get right. The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu
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If you just need a one-off check you can use the text-entry on https://languagetool.org/ without signing up for an account. It also has browser extensions to enable it in web apps. I use a VS Codium extension based on them, and as far as picking up basic tense/conjugation errors, I'd rate it on par with the default MS Word offering. But, yeah, I would assume it struggles with the singular they. Andrew On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 8:40 PM Bigwood, David wrote: > There is Grammerly.com. It found your sample as correct. It can catch many > mistakes. > > LiberOffice, the free alternative to Word, also has a grammar checker. > > Regards, > David Bigwood > dbigw...@lpi.usra.edu > Regional Planetary Image Facility/Library > Lunar and Planetary Institute > https://repository.hou.usra.edu/ > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, > Stephen > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 3:27 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > know the content is safe. > > > Word has a reasonably good built-in grammar checker. There is always the > Chicago Manual of Style, but that requires some research. I'm sure there > are grammar checkers that can auto-correct sentences, but I don't happen to > know any. Hopefully someone else does. > > For the specific example, no, that is not the correct match. Community is > a singular noun; the plural is communities. So both the verb and the > possessive pronoun should be singular. Thus, "The community is invited to > share its thoughts." > > If instead you used "members of the community," the subject would be the > plural "members" and the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural, > "Members of the community are invited to share their thoughts." > > When the subject is an individual who uses "they" pronouns (or a royal in > the royal "We" mode), the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural > form. A grammar checker isn't going to get that right. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles > meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase > to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL > -- Andrew Ward (he/him/his) Digital Services Librarian Troy Public Library
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Actually, I will self-correct on the verb agreement. I'm seeing more usage of "They are" in the singular case though there are calls for it. The debates I'm reading get into the question of does keeping "they" ambiguous in terms of verb agreement impact recognizing the pronoun as part of one's identity. It's a fair point. APA recommends "they are". Chicago forbids singular they. The votes are still changing. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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I will bite: what is the purpose of this mailing list? We have had debates before about what this list should be and the consensus has been topics relevant to the code4lib community. This means that conversations can go beyond specifically library technologies and can touch into related issues. To me, learning the nuances of changing grammars around gender identity is relevant to our systems, especially when it comes to grammar checking as in this thread. Also, references for singular they: * A brief history of singular ‘they’: https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/ * APA Style: Singular "They": https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/grammar/singular-they Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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Interesting. I have not come across that. That would be another situation where a grammar auto-correct would not work. Always sanity-check auto-correction. But I guess we are straying a bit from the purpose of the list. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Katherine Deibel Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:22 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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I think you did misunderstand me -- that is exactly what I said. 'My friend Johanna _is_ non-binary and _uses_ "they" pronouns.' The subject is "Johanna". It is a reference to a person who uses "they" pronouns, but the verbs are singular, "is" and "uses". Similarly, if you just used the phrase "my friend" as a reference to the non-binary Johana, the verb would be singular: 'My friend _is_ non-binary and _uses_ "they" pronouns.' But a pronoun referring to the same person elsewhere in the sentence would be plural to match their preference, producing a singular verb but plural pronoun: 'My friend walks to _their_ car. So, if the subject is a name, title, or other noun phrase (such as "my friend") referring to an individual who uses "they" pronouns, you use a singular verb, but would use the plural "they", "their", "their's", etc. if a pronoun referred to the individual elsewhere in the same sentence. But if the subject is a _pronoun_ referring to a person who uses "they" pronouns, the verb is plural form to match the plural pronoun. 'They _are_ vegan.' Vs. 'Johanna _is_ vegan.' Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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Not everyone. There are people who recognize that "they" can be used in the singular case as it was previously in the history of the English language. "They is a librarian" is a grammatically correct sentence. Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD Library Accessibility Specialist Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of Emily H. Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 5:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The > pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more > complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also > be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing > an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of > singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is > not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will > not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message----- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of > charles meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a > phrase to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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> > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns > for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the > subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the > subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb > would be singular. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you, but this has not been my experience with individuals who use "they" pronouns - the verb is conjugated to agree with plural "they," even when the subject is singular. e.g. My friend Johanna is non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. They are vegan. They enjoy foraging for mushrooms and wild plants. On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 3:43 PM McDonald, Stephen wrote: > I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns > for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the > subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the > subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb > would be singular. So you can get a mix of singular verb and plural > pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is not going to get right. > > The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will not > be perfect, so don't trust them completely. > > Steve McDonald > steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles > meyer > Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites > > Hi my esteemed listmates, > > I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? > > Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase > to check on its grammar. > > Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... > > Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? > > Thank you? > > Charles. > > Charles Meyer > Charlotte County Public Library > Port Charlotte, FL >
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I misspoke a bit about individuals who use "they" pronouns. The pronouns for them would always be plural. The verb gets more complicated. If the subject is a plural pronoun, the verb would also be plural, but if the subject is a name, title, or phrase referencing an individual, the verb would be singular. So you can get a mix of singular verb and plural pronoun in those cases, which a grammar checker is not going to get right. The moral of the story, though, is that auto-grammar correctors will not be perfect, so don't trust them completely. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
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There is Grammerly.com. It found your sample as correct. It can catch many mistakes. LiberOffice, the free alternative to Word, also has a grammar checker. Regards, David Bigwood dbigw...@lpi.usra.edu Regional Planetary Image Facility/Library Lunar and Planetary Institute https://repository.hou.usra.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of McDonald, Stephen Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 3:27 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Word has a reasonably good built-in grammar checker. There is always the Chicago Manual of Style, but that requires some research. I'm sure there are grammar checkers that can auto-correct sentences, but I don't happen to know any. Hopefully someone else does. For the specific example, no, that is not the correct match. Community is a singular noun; the plural is communities. So both the verb and the possessive pronoun should be singular. Thus, "The community is invited to share its thoughts." If instead you used "members of the community," the subject would be the plural "members" and the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural, "Members of the community are invited to share their thoughts." When the subject is an individual who uses "they" pronouns (or a royal in the royal "We" mode), the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural form. A grammar checker isn't going to get that right. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
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Word has a reasonably good built-in grammar checker. There is always the Chicago Manual of Style, but that requires some research. I'm sure there are grammar checkers that can auto-correct sentences, but I don't happen to know any. Hopefully someone else does. For the specific example, no, that is not the correct match. Community is a singular noun; the plural is communities. So both the verb and the possessive pronoun should be singular. Thus, "The community is invited to share its thoughts." If instead you used "members of the community," the subject would be the plural "members" and the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural, "Members of the community are invited to share their thoughts." When the subject is an individual who uses "they" pronouns (or a royal in the royal "We" mode), the verb and possessive pronoun would be plural form. A grammar checker isn't going to get that right. Steve McDonald steve.mcdon...@tufts.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries On Behalf Of charles meyer Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 4:04 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTS.CLIR.ORG Subject: [CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
[CODE4LIB] Grammar Checker - sites
Hi my esteemed listmates, I was wondering which sites others use to check for grammar? Grammar Girl and Grammar.com don't seem to allow you to type in a phrase to check on its grammar. Ex. The community is invited to share their thoughts... Is that the correct matching of singular/plural nouns with pronouns? Thank you? Charles. Charles Meyer Charlotte County Public Library Port Charlotte, FL
