Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
I can't help with the Python, but a test case for the script would obviously be You know I can't subscribe to your ghost jobs list. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Susan Kane Sent: Friday, 9 May 2014 2:44 a.m. To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs Obviously, we must now task someone in CODE4LIB with writing a Python script to convert New Zealand English to International English. Or, I guess we could solve this on the user side with a sarcasm filter or a humor pipe, but you might lose some data that way. :-) -- Susan Kane Boston(ish), MA P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
Context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYvD9DI1ZA Cheers stuart -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Fitchett, Deborah Sent: Monday, 12 May 2014 9:53 a.m. To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs I can't help with the Python, but a test case for the script would obviously be You know I can't subscribe to your ghost jobs list. Deborah -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Susan Kane Sent: Friday, 9 May 2014 2:44 a.m. To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs Obviously, we must now task someone in CODE4LIB with writing a Python script to convert New Zealand English to International English. Or, I guess we could solve this on the user side with a sarcasm filter or a humor pipe, but you might lose some data that way. :-) -- Susan Kane Boston(ish), MA P Please consider the environment before you print this email. The contents of this e-mail (including any attachments) may be confidential and/or subject to copyright. Any unauthorised use, distribution, or copying of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by return e-mail or telephone and then delete this e-mail together with all attachments from your system.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
Let's not dwell on any single reply in this thread - that tends to make people uncomfortable, and not something I want to be a part of. We have a lively and interesting discussion going and we've also gained some new insights as to how some subscribers are using this list and for what reasons. I think the main point discovered so far is that the job postings are considered far more important by the overall community than some of us previously suspected (myself included). I have the answer to the question I was originally looking for, thank you all. Rick -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Stuart Yeates Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 8:28 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs The fact that the only person who has given any acknowledgement of understanding my message was someone else in .ac.nz suggests that despite my best efforts my message content was effectively shredded by the implicit conversion from New Zealand English to International English. My apologies; I withdraw my original email. To translate explicitly into International English, my point was: I have observed that an individuals position on mail filtering vs separate mailing lists appears to be an implicit marker of group membership in this group (i.e. a shibboleth). Note that I do not endorse this or any other marker of group membership, but my understanding of psychology of groups suggest that all functional groups have markers of group membership and that attempting to eliminate markers of group membership in an attempt at inclusiveness (a) can in itself be a marker of group membership and (b) is only likely to drive a shift from relative explicit markers to relatively implicit markers. cheers stuart On 05/08/2014 10:17 AM, David Friggens wrote: This is a pretty terrible reply. I thought it was a great reply. obscure words (seriously, shibboleth?) Somewhat obscure, but not so much in Code4Lib. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth_(Internet2) Unless you're trying to be sarcastic...in which case ignore this. He most definitely was. I believe Stuart's point was to suggest that when the multiple requests for a separate list for job notices get immediately shot down with no - use an email filter, or are you stupid? [1] it doesn't help to create an inclusive and good learning environment. [1] NB the respondents aren't explicitly are you stupid but that's how it may be taken by some people. And to answer the original question - job listings help more people than they annoy so they should be kept as-is. My view is that it would make more sense to have separate discussion and job notice lists, as I see in other places. But I'm not that bothered personally, as I would subscribe to both and filter them into the same folder in my mail client. :-) Cheers David
[CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
Obviously, we must now task someone in CODE4LIB with writing a Python script to convert New Zealand English to International English. Or, I guess we could solve this on the user side with a sarcasm filter or a humor pipe, but you might lose some data that way. :-) -- Susan Kane Boston(ish), MA
Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
On 05/09/2014 02:44 AM, Susan Kane wrote: Obviously, we must now task someone in CODE4LIB with writing a Python script to convert New Zealand English to International English. Yes, because tasking people with AI-complete programming tasks (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete ) is only slightly worse than systematically malfunctioning sarcasm filters. Or, I guess we could solve this on the user side with a sarcasm filter or a humor pipe, but you might lose some data that way. Or we could acknowledge code4lib's role as a safe place for people to tune their sarcasm detectors. cheers stuart
Re: [CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
Salvete! Honestly, though, who all would even want to understand a Kiwi? They're practically escaped convicts, since everyone in the Northern Hemisphere knows that they're just tiny Aussies.* Also, I have to translate code for them, since they cannot do for themselves. [1] Ba dum cha, Brooke *warning contains humour and #notintendedtobeafactualstatement. [1] http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/ On 05/09/2014 02:44 AM, Susan Kane wrote: Obviously, we must now task someone in CODE4LIB with writing a Python script to convert New Zealand English to International English. Yes, because tasking people with AI-complete programming tasks (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete ) is only slightly worse than systematically malfunctioning sarcasm filters. Or, I guess we could solve this on the user side with a sarcasm filter or a humor pipe, but you might lose some data that way. Or we could acknowledge code4lib's role as a safe place for people to tune their sarcasm detectors. cheers stuart
[CODE4LIB] Withdraw my post was: Re: [CODE4LIB] separate list for jobs
The fact that the only person who has given any acknowledgement of understanding my message was someone else in .ac.nz suggests that despite my best efforts my message content was effectively shredded by the implicit conversion from New Zealand English to International English. My apologies; I withdraw my original email. To translate explicitly into International English, my point was: I have observed that an individuals position on mail filtering vs separate mailing lists appears to be an implicit marker of group membership in this group (i.e. a shibboleth). Note that I do not endorse this or any other marker of group membership, but my understanding of psychology of groups suggest that all functional groups have markers of group membership and that attempting to eliminate markers of group membership in an attempt at inclusiveness (a) can in itself be a marker of group membership and (b) is only likely to drive a shift from relative explicit markers to relatively implicit markers. cheers stuart On 05/08/2014 10:17 AM, David Friggens wrote: This is a pretty terrible reply. I thought it was a great reply. obscure words (seriously, shibboleth?) Somewhat obscure, but not so much in Code4Lib. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth_(Internet2) Unless you're trying to be sarcastic...in which case ignore this. He most definitely was. I believe Stuart's point was to suggest that when the multiple requests for a separate list for job notices get immediately shot down with no - use an email filter, or are you stupid? [1] it doesn't help to create an inclusive and good learning environment. [1] NB the respondents aren't explicitly are you stupid but that's how it may be taken by some people. And to answer the original question - job listings help more people than they annoy so they should be kept as-is. My view is that it would make more sense to have separate discussion and job notice lists, as I see in other places. But I'm not that bothered personally, as I would subscribe to both and filter them into the same folder in my mail client. :-) Cheers David
