Re: OT: Re: [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

2003-11-10 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Noel J. Bergman wrote:

The Geronimo developers represent that
the code contributed for Geronimo does not contain any code belonging to
JBoss.  
I just wanted to underline above.

.V



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RE: OT: Re: [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

2003-11-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
 Noel J. Bergman wrote:
  The Geronimo developers represent that the code
  contributed for Geronimo does not contain any code
  belonging to JBoss.

 I just wanted to underline above.

Every Apache Committer represents that they own the right to contribute
their code to the ASF.  That is not unique to Geronimo.  In Howard's case,
he did so in good faith, and then discovered otherwise, which resulted in
HiveMind being removed pending resolution.

Are you claiming that the Geromino developers are falsely representing their
rights and the origin of the code?  Is it your claim that they are violating
their CLA?

Speak plainly, if you've a claim to make.

--- Noel


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Re: OT: Re: [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

2003-11-10 Thread John Keyes
Vic,

You should drop the attitude as it provides no benefit to
the discussion.
A simple statement of fact would have been perfectly
acceptable.  This issue should have been raised on
the appropriate Geronimo mailing list and not in the
manner it was presented.
-John K

On 10 Nov 2003, at 20:40, Vic Cekvenich wrote:


Are you claiming that the Geromino developers are falsely 
representing their
rights and the origin of the code?  Is it your claim that they are 
violating
their CLA?
Speak plainly, if you've a claim to make.
	--- Noel


This was posted on the Server Side TODAY, I had nothing to do with it:

http://theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22337

Shame on the developers that steal code!

.V



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RE: OT: Re: [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

2003-11-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 Interesting that HiveMind was a problem, yet jBoss to Geromino is not a
 potential legal problem for Apache Users. What was the diference, that
 they put the code in sf.net first, refactored packages and claimed it
 was not jBoss IP? All Howard did was level with ASF, and Geronimo
 (insert appropriate word) claimed orignial IP.  Even enforcement would
 be great.

Howard acknowledges that there is an IP concern regarding HiveMind, although
he hopes to have it corrected soon.  The Geronimo developers represent that
the code contributed for Geronimo does not contain any code belonging to
JBoss.  Should any be found, it will be removed.  Your comment about code
appearing on SourceForge suggests that you are confusing Geronimo with Elba.

 I hope HiveMind shows up on sf.net in the mean time

At worst, if there were JBoss code in Geronimo it would be licensed under
LGPL.  HiveMind, however, is not LGPL.  Until its IP problems are resolved,
the code is proprietary to WebCT.  For Howard to publish HiveMind anywhere
before the IP issues are resolved could be considered misappropriation of
corporate assets.

--- Noel


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Re: OT: Re: [ANN] hivemind has been temporarily taken offline

2003-11-07 Thread Danny Angus




Vic,

I read the discussions in which you made allegations about Geronimo. Now
please read this:

1/ It is the decision of the Jakarta PMC that as doubt about the ownership
has been expressed and not resolved it is prudent for the PMC to take this
step until it is resolved.

2/ No one is suggesting, at this stage, that there is any possibility that
Hivemind won't return as soon as the PMC are satisfied that the right to
distribute the code under the ASFL has been satisfactorily established. The
origin of the code is not in doubt.

3/ Geronimo is not under the jurisdiction of this PMC. The Geronimo
situation was explained to you at the time . There is certainly no
conspiracy against Hivemind. Period.

I sincerely hope that the full facts regarding the doubt expressed over
Hivemind can be examined and the issue resolved quickly, in the meantime
the PMC has a duty to take this issue seriously. Not to do so, however
desirable it might be, would be negligent.

d.

 Interesting that HiveMind was a problem, yet jBoss to Geromino is not a
 potential legal problem for Apache Users. What was the diference, that
 they put the code in sf.net first, refactored packages and claimed it
 was not jBoss IP? All Howard did was level with ASF, and Geronimo
 (insert appropriate word) claimed orignial IP.  Even enforcement would
 be great.

 I hope HiveMind shows up on sf.net in the mean time,



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