Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Maarten Dammers 

Hi Daniel,

I like to focus on one thing: Where to store it.

Op 25-6-2013 14:30, Daniel Kinzler schreef:

Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can
be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as
structured data.

I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that
the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself.
Why? I want to link the images with the items on Wikidata. So instead of 
having [[Category:Grote Kerk, Haarlem]] I just want to do "depicts" item for the Church>

I guess that's not possible when we have two Wikibase databases?

Maarten



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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Magnus Manske 

Complex queries on wikidata are possible to find what you want, albeit not
with wikidata itself (yet). Meanwhile:

Visual query builder : http://208.80.153.172/wdq/
API : http://208.80.153.172/api_documentation.html




On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Otourly Wiki  wrote:

> >Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata
> instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more
> participant is category name on Commons are in English.
>  >
> >Regards,
> >Juandev
>
> +1
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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Otourly Wiki 
>Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata 
instead of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more 
participant is category name on Commons are in English.
 >
>Regards,
>Juandev

+1


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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Daniel Kinzler 
Am 25.06.2013 17:19, schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
> Hoi,
> Why not have tags (that are in effect references to Wikidata) they would in
> effect be searchable in any language.

Even though that is not explicitly stated, the proposal already covers that. Add
properties like "depicts" or "topic" to allow for tags. All wikidata items
referenced from a file's meta data could be considered "tags" (including the
ones identifying the author, etc).

We'd then need to improve the search page to actually make use of that data, and
search using the user's language. But that will then be a feasible project.

-- daniel


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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
Why not have tags (that are in effect references to Wikidata) they would in
effect be searchable in any language.
Thanks,
 GerardM


On 25 June 2013 17:04, David Gerard  wrote:

> On 25 June 2013 15:58, Juan de Vojníkov  wrote:
> > 2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler 
>
> >> Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how
> Wikidata
> >> can
> >> be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta
> >> data as
> >> structured data.
>
> > Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata
> instead
> > of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more
> participant is
> > category name on Commons are in English.
>
>
> OH YES YES YES! If WIkidata can help solve this one ...
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread David Gerard 
On 25 June 2013 15:58, Juan de Vojníkov  wrote:
> 2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler 

>> Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata
>> can
>> be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta
>> data as
>> structured data.

> Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead
> of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant is
> category name on Commons are in English.


OH YES YES YES! If WIkidata can help solve this one ...


- d.

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Re: [Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Juan de Vojníkov 
Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to use Wikidata instead
of subject categories? I mean the biggest problem to get more participant
is category name on Commons are in English.


Regards,
Juandev

2013/6/25 Daniel Kinzler 

> Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata
> can
> be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta
> data as
> structured data.
>
> I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but
> that
> the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. On behalf of the
> Wikidata
> development team, I just posted a proposal for this:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info
>
> We hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to
> identify
> use cases that we do not cover with it.
>
> Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about
> Wikidata and media meta data.
>
> Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or
> otherwise
> interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation.
>
> Thank you,
> Daniel Kinzler
>
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[Commons-l] Proposal for maintaining meta data as structured data

2013-06-25 Thread Daniel Kinzler 
Over the last year, we have seen some discussion about if and how Wikidata can
be useful for Wikimedia Commons. One aspect of this is maintaining meta data as
structured data.

I think that the technology of Wikidata would be very useful for this, but that
the meta data should be maintained on Commons itself. On behalf of the Wikidata
development team, I just posted a proposal for this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info

We hope you regard this as an invitation to discuss the proposal and to identify
use cases that we do not cover with it.

Please use the proposal's talk page as a central place for discussion about
Wikidata and media meta data.

Please invite others involved with the Wikidata or Commons projects or otherwise
interested in media meta data to take part in the invitation.

Thank you,
Daniel Kinzler


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