Re: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi 
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the
ASF?
You're right, geez, we should only have Avalon as a framework and Cocoon 
as an app.

Yup, in this case I agree.  :->
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
[1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net
[2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal
Tapestry is a component-based web framework.  Its created by a great 
group of guys whom I have a
lot of respect for.
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Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I am interested in content quality.  I would probably subscribe
to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under
my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online.

Right, that has been my point about push model communication.  But do you
really want to have every change pushed into your mail box (this is actually
easy to do with usemodwiki), or just those pages that interest you?
Every few days I check to see the RecentChanges list, but I primarly skim it
looking to see if pages related to projects I care about have changed.  If
the Wiki gets lots of use, reading all changes would be like subscribing to
every CVS change made in every module all over Apache.  At that point the
perceived signal to noise ratio for most people would be rather low, IMO.
It seems that Andy feels that an RSS feed is the solution to this problem.
its a step.  A simple XSLT page could say "all nodes with POI in the 
content" and that would be solved for me.  Granted, I prefer late 
refactoring.  Who knows, everyone could loose interest in the wiki 
tomorrow, what a waste of time adding a bunch of features would be.  If 
the wiki never gets that active, same thing.  It is not currently that 
active.  Therefore the refactoring is not yet required.

-Andy

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RE: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman 
> I am interested in content quality.  I would probably subscribe
> to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under
> my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online.

Right, that has been my point about push model communication.  But do you
really want to have every change pushed into your mail box (this is actually
easy to do with usemodwiki), or just those pages that interest you?

Every few days I check to see the RecentChanges list, but I primarly skim it
looking to see if pages related to projects I care about have changed.  If
the Wiki gets lots of use, reading all changes would be like subscribing to
every CVS change made in every module all over Apache.  At that point the
perceived signal to noise ratio for most people would be rather low, IMO.

It seems that Andy feels that an RSS feed is the solution to this problem.

--- Noel

Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 
cool.  +1 - this sounds like action.  I like it.
infrastructure, can we have a new mail list called [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
-Andy
Steven Noels wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
If you (steven) will guide me, I will be happy to set this up.

It is already set up (private server) - sending mail to my Inbox. I can 
as well try to have it delivering similar mails to an Apache mailinglist.

I'm currently messing around to change the Sender: address to a non-role 
account address. As soon as I found out, I can send it any way you want.

I guess Perl gurus would be more useful to make the 'diff' messages a 
bit more interesting.

Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Steven Noels 
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
If you (steven) will guide me, I will be happy to set this up.
It is already set up (private server) - sending mail to my Inbox. I can 
as well try to have it delivering similar mails to an Apache mailinglist.

I'm currently messing around to change the Sender: address to a non-role 
account address. As soon as I found out, I can send it any way you want.

I guess Perl gurus would be more useful to make the 'diff' messages a 
bit more interesting.


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Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 

moduse[1] has email notification, enable it.  The email should go to 
dev@.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too.  
The email should include a diff.  The RSS is merging change events, 
that's a mistake.

 - ben
[1] Moduse is venerable software.  Every time I turn something on it 
doesn't work quite the way I was expecting.  The code defends it's self, 
and I love Perl.

If you send me patches to either the wiki source 
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.txt or
configuration http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/config.txt
I will apply them.  It sounds like you know what you're talking about.

As for the RSS, I grabbed this version off the usemod wiki's patches. 
Most of the "patches" weren't in diff -u format and I'm not a real perl 
programmer I just play one when I need it.  They use the "go here and 
edit this" version of patches which I find very frustrating. So,
I grabbed a prepatched version.  If I had written it, I'd have done it 
as you say.

If you have some actual patch or script changes send them in diff -u 
format.  I'll apply them.  Its quite simple.  I love applying patches.

-andy
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Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Ben Hyde 
I love wiki.
Sander Striker wrote:
Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment?
The PMC should monitor PMC specific Wikis.
Some of that is sketched out here
  http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WikiProjectPage
... below  "peanut gallery"
Steven Noels wrote:
if someone can patch the RSS feed of the Wiki so that it has more 
sensible content, I assume we are almost getting there.
moduse[1] has email notification, enable it.  The email should go to 
dev@.apache.org and consequential discussions can go there too.  
The email should include a diff.  The RSS is merging change events, 
that's a mistake.

 - ben
[1] Moduse is venerable software.  Every time I turn something on it 
doesn't work quite the way I was expecting.  The code defends it's 
self, and I love Perl.

Re: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread Jim Winstead 
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 05:56:12PM +0100, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> [ edited for order ]
>
> On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> > [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net
> > [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal
> > 
> > Tapestry is a component-based web framework.  Its created by a great 
> > group of guys whom I have a
> > lot of respect for.
>
> So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the
> ASF?

so?

i think the key thing is in andy's second sentence: it's created by a
great group of guys whom (he) has a lot of respect for. i think the
apache foundation could use all of those it can get, and we aren't going
to get it by telling them what projects to work on.

(communities are what really matter, not code.)

jim

Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 
If you (steven) will guide me, I will be happy to set this up.
Someone with access will have to create the mail list.
I will even monitor the mail list occssionally via gmane.
I do not know python so if anyone wants more features they will need
to submit patches.
-Andy
Steven Noels wrote:
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches.  I just 
am not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey "Less talk, more action"

-Andy

Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like 
mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS 
feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are 
almost getting there.

See attached mails.


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Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 

Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment?


A list may be found here:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges
Everyone involved with the wiki constantly reads the recent changes.
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChangesJunkies
It even has its own subculture in Wikidom.
With the RSS feed I imagine some folks will begin reading the content 
via their aggregator.

The access log on nagoya began at
[03/Jan/2003:18:22:35 -0800]
This many hits happened via HTML:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/disk/raid0/home/acoliver $ ls -l 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log
-rw-r--r--   1 root apadmin  6981236 Jan  5 09:15 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/disk/raid0/home/acoliver $ grep "RecentChanges" 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log |wc -l
 115

This many hits happened via RSS:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/disk/raid0/home/acoliver $ grep "action=rss" 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log |wc -l
 129

This is to give you an idea of the diversity of IPs:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/disk/raid0/home/acoliver $ grep "action=rss" 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log | tail -20
194.205.132.252 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:08:42 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewikitest.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13790
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:40:46 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
149.225.90.43 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:45:42 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
68.3.7.16 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:53:54 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
66.30.192.113 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:57:39 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewikitest.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13526
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:07:10:45 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:07:40:45 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
68.3.7.16 - - [05/Jan/2003:07:54:12 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
64.166.242.74 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:07:03 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:10:45 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
218.229.221.246 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:38:30 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:40:45 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
213.224.83.70 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:49:51 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218
212.34.181.34 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:50:28 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
68.3.7.16 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:54:23 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
157.193.121.51 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:54:27 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.0" 200 13218
66.30.192.113 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:57:38 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewikitest.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13526
194.205.132.252 - - [05/Jan/2003:09:08:43 -0800] "HEAD 
/wiki/apachewikitest.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 -
194.205.132.252 - - [05/Jan/2003:09:08:44 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewikitest.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13526
128.143.103.35 - - [05/Jan/2003:09:10:44 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss HTTP/1.1" 200 13218

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/disk/raid0/home/acoliver $ grep "RecentChanges" 
/opt/apache/logs/nagoya.apache.org.access.log | tail -20
66.26.72.89 - - [04/Jan/2003:22:04:01 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
65.220.71.100 - - [04/Jan/2003:22:06:08 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
66.26.72.89 - - [04/Jan/2003:22:29:51 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
66.26.72.89 - - [04/Jan/2003:22:33:52 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
66.26.72.89 - - [04/Jan/2003:22:33:56 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
67.33.136.13 - - [04/Jan/2003:23:01:50 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
67.33.136.13 - - [04/Jan/2003:23:01:54 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71524
81.6.42.182 - - [05/Jan/2003:04:34:43 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 76276
144.137.77.133 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:02:10 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71657
151.24.9.230 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:15:07 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71561
62.71.159.4 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:20:36 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71561
62.71.159.4 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:26:46 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71672
66.26.72.89 - - [05/Jan/2003:06:30:59 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71868
219.163.188.218 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:11:28 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?RecentChanges HTTP/1.1" 200 71868
219.163.188.218 - - [05/Jan/2003:08:12:14 -0800] "GET 
/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?search=

Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Steven Noels 
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches.  I just am 
not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey "Less talk, more action"

-Andy
Thanks to http://www.fettig.net/projects/hep/, I can have attached-like 
mails being send to some mailing list. And if someone can patch the RSS 
feed of the Wiki so that it has more sensible content, I assume we are 
almost getting there.

See attached mails.

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Re: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen 
So that would make up what? The fifth or the sixth Framework from the
ASF?

Regards
Henning


On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 03:34, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> [1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net
> [2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal
> 
> Tapestry is a component-based web framework.  Its created by a great 
> group of guys whom I have a
> lot of respect for.
> 
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> 
> >I'll bite ... what is Tapestry?
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 17:54
> >To: community@apache.org; Jakarta General List;
> >general@incubator.apache.org
> >Subject: Tapestry incubation
> >
> >
> >
> >Please subscribe to general@incubator.apache.org if you are interested 
> >in participating in the Tapestry incubation process.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Andy
> >
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RE: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Sander Striker 
> From: Ben Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:34 PM

> On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> > Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches.  I just am 
> > not interested in doing it myself.
> > I'm not trying to be nasty just convey "Less talk, more action"
> >
> > -Andy
> 
> I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be 
> better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA 
> point of view

And these were exactly the concerns raised when a Wiki was first proposed.
Stefano took most of these away, but the QA one remains (since the most
important tool to do it is missing).

Please don't ask me for patches.  I am not interested in using the
Wiki, but I am interested in content quality.  I would probably subscribe
to the 'wiki-changes' list, since that would push the content under
my nose instead of having me actively reading each changed page online.
I'm sure this goes for others aswell.

Who is monitoring the Wiki content at the moment?

> - at least from my understanding of how to get good quality in an open
> source world.  Attempting to silence critiques of the work is rarely
> healthy.  Silent communities are either very low loyalty, or very
> authoritarian.  - ben

Sander

Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 
Right.. .Just this continues to be said over and over and over by 
primarily the same people in response to me.  My repeated response 
continues to be http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JustDoIt
because http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?SomeoneElse doesn't 
feel like it ;-)

-Andy
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches.  I just am 
not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey "Less talk, more action"

-Andy

I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be 
better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA 
point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good 
quality in an open source world.  Attempting to silence critiques of the 
work is rarely healthy.  Silent communities are either very low loyalty, 
or very authoritarian.  - ben

Ben Hyde wrote:
I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS 
mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which 
files in the software were changed.  While at first I thought that 
wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the 
proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control.  - ben

On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Thanks to everyone who helped...  The apachewikitest.cgi is now just 
a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test
is now the real thing.  So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS 
feed you can do:

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss
For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you 
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Re: ApacheWiki RSS feed moved into apachewiki.cgi

2003-01-05 Thread Ben Hyde 
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 03:39 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Right, I don't object to you contributing CVS mail patches.  I just am 
not interested in doing it myself.
I'm not trying to be nasty just convey "Less talk, more action"

-Andy
I'm not asking you do do anything, in fact I'm not sure what would be 
better.I'm reasonably sure what's there now is dangerous from a QA 
point of view - at least from my understanding of how to get good 
quality in an open source world.  Attempting to silence critiques of 
the work is rarely healthy.  Silent communities are either very low 
loyalty, or very authoritarian.  - ben

Ben Hyde wrote:
I'm enjoying this rss service, but, this is not the equivalent of CVS 
mail; it's more analogous to getting a daily report enumerating which 
files in the software were changed.  While at first I thought that 
wasn't a big deal, now it's clear that it pretty much precludes the 
proof reading that makes CVS mail such an aid to quality control.  - 
ben

On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 11:06 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Thanks to everyone who helped...  The apachewikitest.cgi is now just 
a link to apachewiki.cgi and what was just a test
is now the real thing.  So for those of you who do enjoy a good RSS 
feed you can do:

http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?action=rss
For those of you who prefer to receive these by email, for now you 
can go here:
http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000608.html

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Java Best Practices

2003-01-05 Thread Jeremias Maerki 
Hi there

Over on the FOP mailing list we're currently putting together a Style
Guide for our Java and XML sources. We've got some MUSTs and a lot of
SHOULDs that shouldn't really blow up that document. So now that we've
got a Wiki it would be a nice idea to come up with a Best Practice Guide
to Java that we could link to. And why not have all these bright Apache
people stick their heads together to create a wonderful resource.

Rules:
- Well structured
- Clear and concise
- Better only widely agreed facts and experiences than personal opinions
- Let's avoid flame wars (if a topic gets too hot, drop it because it
  only shows it's more personal style than common sense)
- Frequent clean up on the Wiki page(s) so the document can eventually
  be converted to XML.

Some topics (I know you'll come up with more):
- Common sense when programming (write for clarity, write for easy
  maintenance etc.)
- documentation (when, what to what extent)
- Naming of variables, methods etc. (not stuff like m_ prefixes)
- Exception throwing and handling
- Usage of interface vs. implementation
- Performance optimization (when, what, how)
- Where and what to log
- Links to other resources like the book "Code Complete" etc.

What do you think?


Jeremias Maerki
FOP committer

Re: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread Andrew C. Oliver 
[1] http://tapestry.sourceforge.net
[2] http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryProposal
Tapestry is a component-based web framework.  Its created by a great 
group of guys whom I have a
lot of respect for.

Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I'll bite ... what is Tapestry?
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Re: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread David Reid 
http://www.arcomnet.net.au/~vermiro/Tapestryqu.html
http://www.wordreference.com/English/definition.asp?en=tapestry


> I'll bite ... what is Tapestry?
> 
> --- Noel

RE: Tapestry incubation

2003-01-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman 
I'll bite ... what is Tapestry?

--- Noel

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