Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
That¹s fine, but the results aren't very useful see this: http://wiki.apache.org/general/FindPage?action=titlesearch&value=FAQ This is what I mean (across wikis): http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?search=FAQ&dosearch=1 The main issue I have with splitting things up are search and linkage. I have no objections otherwise (supposing someone else has the headache of dealing with 100 different wiki configs). Also consider this: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?search=AvalonFAQ I can find out what pages are linked FROM as well as TO. Its unfortunate no wiki supports namespaces of a sort. -Andy On 12/10/03 6:42 AM, "Leo Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > done: > > http://wiki.apache.org/general/FindPage > > newly created wikis will have the search box by default. > Even did the neat "google customization trick". > > - LSD > > Jason Dillon wrote: > >> Why not add a google wiki search over wiki.apache.org? >> >> --jason >> >> On Dec 9, 2003, at 8:22 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> >>> Andrew C. Oliver wrote: >>> we should not loose search and cross linking capabilities. I really want to throw my support behind wiki.apache.org but it doesn't support this which makes Apache look like such an opaque spider. >>> >>> This is the first that I recall hearing such comments from you. >>> Don't you >>> think that you should air your concerns to the folks working on the >>> Wiki? >>> >>> What is wrong with interWiki links for your second item? >>> >>> --- Noel >> > > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
On 12/9/03 11:22 PM, "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >> we should not loose search and cross linking capabilities. >> I really want to throw my support behind wiki.apache.org >> but it doesn't support this which makes Apache look like >> such an opaque spider. > > This is the first that I recall hearing such comments from you. Don't you > think that you should air your concerns to the folks working on the Wiki? > Didn't I? How'd you get the mail?? The reasoning for posting here is a little off topic but My first inclination was to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because its an open list. However, it seemed to factional to do so. I had no choice but to post here, even though the people who I most want to hear from are the ones whom I've NEVER heard from before (some of which generate wiki content). I don't subscribe to infrastructure. I object to the closed nature of community@ let alone discussing the wiki in private -- why should the wiki discussion be a big secret not discussed with anyone but members and infrastructure My issue with the PMCization of Apache is that everything is moving to private lists. How is this open??? I work to open up other organizations I'm in...meanwhile this one seems like its closing and not by some sinister effect but through the PMCization and through not TRYING to make things open. I think the open in open source requires effort! Maybe the counter effect of PMC-ization is that in our zeal for oversight we're losing sight of what REALLY matters. I'm not really intentionally throwing criticism on what many view as long overdue oversight reforms, but as a result we have to try and be more open where before there was no real choice. I don't really know what the "systems" or process-based solution is (which seems to be favored on the whole these days at Apache), but maybe just effort to post openly until a solution comes out. > What is wrong with interWiki links for your second item? > Mainly its kind of a pain. I guess a header page on all of the sub wikis that points to a directory could be a good work around...not sure how you'd share content like that across wikis but I guess that would make me content. I'd like to move what parts of this discussion I participate in on to the community list rather than the non-public totally closed infrastructure list. I WISH all wiki contributors could be involved in the discussion but I'm not going to whip that dead animal. -Andy > --- Noel > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: That¹s fine, but the results aren't very useful see this: http://wiki.apache.org/general/FindPage?action=titlesearch&value=FAQ This is what I mean (across wikis): http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?search=FAQ&dosearch=1 The main issue I have with splitting things up are search nope, definately not the same. But I do suspect that within time, as the moin wiki actually sees usage (and a better pagerank), the google search will improve. I don't think it will be very difficult to add a cross-wiki fulltext search of our own, but I don't have time to do that atm. Maybe in a week or two. and linkage. I think this is more of a personal thing :D. I've always liked the Moin style of linking a lot better. Alsoa, its all about what links you mean, of course. For example, contrast http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo/FAQ (no, it doesn't exist yet, but it could) with http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheJ2EE/FAQ I have no objections otherwise (supposing someone else has the headache of dealing with 100 different wiki configs). yep. Jason set up a nice little system for that. Its unfortunate no wiki supports namespaces of a sort. +1. No wiki is perfect, which is why there are so many, I guess. - LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:53:33 +0100 Leo Simons wrote: > nope, definately not the same. But I do suspect that within time, as > the moin wiki actually sees usage (and a better pagerank), the google > search will improve. TIPS: You can not expect the google engine (google-bot) to cache the pages of .CGI. Why don't you guys think of the re-config (.htaccess) of /wiki/ directory on apache-httpd? e.g. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?HomePage => http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/?HomePage Hope this helps. -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache Software Foundation Committer: http://www.apache.org/~tetsuya/ XML Consortium Member: http://www.xmlconsortium.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Policy for Jakarta Wiki(s)
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On 12/9/03 11:22 PM, "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: we should not loose search and cross linking capabilities. I really want to throw my support behind wiki.apache.org but it doesn't support this which makes Apache look like such an opaque spider. This is the first that I recall hearing such comments from you. Don't you think that you should air your concerns to the folks working on the Wiki? Didn't I? nah...I suspect you first sent it to the Jakarta PMC list. Neither Jason nor me are on that list, so Noel forwarded it. Good thing he did, cause we can hopefully resolve things sooner than later. I don't want to go into a big debate about where to send what e-mails. Doesn't matter to me much (except, of course, when discussion is moved somewhere where I can't participate :D) When I dove into this whole thing it was suggested infrastructure@ was a good place to talk about it. I did send you a private message for feedback a loong time ago (since you did the MoinMoin thing), but I figure it scrolled of the screen or you were busy with other stuff. I don't think discussing this stuff on community@ is so good a solution either, as a lot of people who are on infrastructure@ don't read [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then, the obvious alternative is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, but that just results in another little-known list no-one reads. Any other suggestions? Communication flow management is a big problem for all big organisations, and the ASF is no different. I'm very flexible in following other people's preferences, and that generally works well, especially if everyone else is, too. Maybe you should try it? :P What is wrong with interWiki links for your second item? Mainly its kind of a pain. disagree :D. I think "manual namespacing" with long wiki names is more of a pain. It's a preference thing. cheers! - LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
