On 12/9/03 11:22 PM, "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >> we should not loose search and cross linking capabilities. >> I really want to throw my support behind wiki.apache.org >> but it doesn't support this which makes Apache look like >> such an opaque spider. > > This is the first that I recall hearing such comments from you. Don't you > think that you should air your concerns to the folks working on the Wiki? > Didn't I? How'd you get the mail?? The reasoning for posting here is a little off topic but.... My first inclination was to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] because its an open list. However, it seemed to factional to do so. I had no choice but to post here, even though the people who I most want to hear from are the ones whom I've NEVER heard from before (some of which generate wiki content). I don't subscribe to infrastructure. I object to the closed nature of community@ let alone discussing the wiki in private -- why should the wiki discussion be a big secret not discussed with anyone but members and infrastructure???? My issue with the PMCization of Apache is that everything is moving to private lists. How is this open??? I work to open up other organizations I'm in...meanwhile this one seems like its closing and not by some sinister effect but through the PMCization and through not TRYING to make things open. I think the open in open source requires effort! Maybe the counter effect of PMC-ization is that in our zeal for oversight we're losing sight of what REALLY matters. I'm not really intentionally throwing criticism on what many view as long overdue oversight reforms, but as a result we have to try and be more open where before there was no real choice. I don't really know what the "systems" or process-based solution is (which seems to be favored on the whole these days at Apache), but maybe just effort to post openly until a solution comes out. > What is wrong with interWiki links for your second item? > Mainly its kind of a pain. I guess a header page on all of the sub wikis that points to a directory could be a good work around...not sure how you'd share content like that across wikis but I guess that would make me content. I'd like to move what parts of this discussion I participate in on to the community list rather than the non-public totally closed infrastructure list. I WISH all wiki contributors could be involved in the discussion but I'm not going to whip that dead animal. -Andy > --- Noel > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
