Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 03:36, Ryan Kline wrote: Wouldn't it be hilarious if we finally find a USB power solution after spending many hours laboriously building a device only to find that Sean has decided to power the USB port. yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. You'd still have trouble getting 5volt out of a 3.3volt phone without emptying the battery real fast. It is still hard to charge the phone while connecting an accessory to it. Connecting more then one accessory would be a mess. Many accessories like infra-red eye or RF sender (for remote control applications), and many others don't have a USB interface. Of course, if FIC themselves don't release a flexible accessory platform, like the proposed smart-battery with payload, and the NEO becomes popular, a company like Velleman for instance might well release a range of accessories. Cheers, Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
R: Camera and MMS
Voting for integrated Camera as well for future releases of the Neo. Not using it very much, but it can be handy every now and then. In time I expect that the OpenMoko platform API will grow to support a wider range of peripheral families than are available in the Neo at the moment (camera, wifi, IrDA, accelerometer, ...). I also expect that some API will list the device capabilities so that the sw can adapt to the actual device. MMS seems to be a problem. Apparently there is no MMS standard, or the standard itself is said to be horribly broken (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/002787.html) or it is tweaked to peculiarities of the Mobile Network Operator in order to discourage migration between providers (MNOs fear open standards!). Someone is already talking about an OpenMoko integrated messaging application that abstracts on the specific media (e-mail, SMS, MMS) so, perhaps, sending/receiving MMS can just become a matter of implementing proper abstraction layers. Ciao Michele Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Joe Shmoe Inviato: martedì 13 febbraio 2007 0.35 A: community@lists.openmoko.org Oggetto: Camera and MMS I know this has been discussed before, but I am trying to see how much interest there is in a camera. I never thought I would use it, but lately, I've found that I am using the camera much more often to take simple pictures and videos and send multimedia messages to friends. This seems like a standard thing now for most phones...and I can say for sure that the younger generations definitely expect to be able to send/receive pictures/videos/voice_recordings using their phone. Are there plans for this to be in ver 2.0 hardware? Are others interested in this as well? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 11/02/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 11/02/2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: Camera and MMS
On 2/13/07, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Voting for integrated Camera as well for future releases of the Neo. Not using it very much, but it can be handy every now and then. It could be also used to develop automatic image recognition programs like a barcode reader or simple scanner to store business cards or documents. Or as another input sensor to control phone behaviour (i.e. if there is light, then it is not in a pocket and the person will probably not hear the vibration) The ability to create movies could be useful too. I know that there are programs that use a few seconsd input from webcams to create an image of an higher resolution. This is common practice between astronomers. Regards, Alessandro P.S. To Sean and all the other core developers: keep up the great work! You are doing VERY well and I think that what you have already achieved is really valuable! I think that the release of the source code will bring a good amount of workforce into the project! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is there an emulator?
Is there an emulator to start playing with the software, I'm interested in developing a the ability to chose witch net to chose and in witch priority. I leave on the border with italy and slovenia and would like to minimize the bill ;) ... and yes of course I will buy one the first second it will be possible :) Is there any contact to have information for importing in italy and slovenia? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)
Only these commands should be needed to install monotone: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb sudo apt-get install libboost-date-time1.33.1 \ libboost-filesystem1.33.1 libboost-regex1.33.1 sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb unless somebody objects, I'll update the wiki! - Terry Sergio Bessa wrote: Hi Ryan, I tried the following and have been able to install monotone. wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb sudo apt-get build-dep libboost-dev sudo apt-get install libboost-dev sudo apt-get build-dep libboost-date-time1.33.1 sudo apt-get install libboost-date-time1.33.1 sudo apt-get install libboost-filesystem1.33.1 sudo apt-get install libboost-regex1.33.1 sudo dpkg --install monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb Good luck, Sergio Quoting Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After trying to install OE, I concluded that I needed boost. I typed sudo dselect then went to select then tried to search boost but returned no results. Any help appreciated. -ryan P.S.-Sorry if I have been posting too much over the last few days, I have become engrossed in the project and I want to know as much as possible. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: Camera and MMS
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 10:26:32 Michele Manzato wrote: [...snip...] MMS seems to be a problem. Apparently there is no MMS standard, or the standard itself is said to be horribly broken (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/002787.html) or it is tweaked to peculiarities of the Mobile Network Operator in order to discourage migration between providers (MNOs fear open standards!). Someone is already talking about an OpenMoko integrated messaging application that abstracts on the specific media (e-mail, SMS, MMS) so, perhaps, sending/receiving MMS can just become a matter of implementing proper abstraction layers. It's not so much the standard that is broken, but more so the terminals (phones) that are non- or semi-compliant. My experience with low-level MMS dates back to 2004, so it might be that modern phones are much better at presenting and supporting the full range of content types and SMIL elements, but back then you could only assume plain text + jpeg/gif image on the first 'slide' would be properly supported (that's what 99% of all MMS messages consist of anyway). Anyway, I can see some benefit in supporting basic MMS, since ppl like to send each other camshots through MMS. Supporting anything beyond this simple scenario would be overkill IMHO. grtz, Sander ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Windows Mobile on Neo?
Don't be worried. All the stuff you do within VMware on linux will stay there. Your MacBook is not in danger ;) -Pete On 13/02/07, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I'm just being too lazy. Im pretty scared about this OE thing because I am running Linux on VMWare Beta, on my brand new 17 MacBook Pro...Should I be worried? -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)
That is a good one, I need to remember that! Since we're directly referencing a specific monotone install on a specific architecture, adding the dependencies does not bother me too much, however it would help keep the page up-to-date if we updated the monotone version. So, again, if no-one objects, I will change the monotone install steps to reflect Robin's suggestion below. I'd set up a repository, but it seems overkill for a single package! - Terry Robin Farine wrote: On Tue February 13 2007 11:19, Terence Haddock wrote: Only these commands should be needed to install monotone: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.de b sudo apt-get install libboost-date-time1.33.1 \ libboost-filesystem1.33.1 libboost-regex1.33.1 sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb unless somebody objects, I'll update the wiki! Or to avoid to mention explicit dependencies on the wiki: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb If the last commands fails because of missing dependencies: sudo apt-get install -f The last step will take care of the missing dependencies and prompt the user to confirm the installation of the extra packages. Robin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable. And it's not something you use on mobility situation (in the streets...). With the not-sexy-at-all battery powered usb hub, will a keyboard work easily? USB keyboard support in the kernel would be sufficient, right? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:05:30 Florent THIERY wrote: With the not-sexy-at-all battery powered usb hub, will a keyboard work easily? USB keyboard support in the kernel would be sufficient, right? As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at all. An USB one should work with a self powered hub, though. pgpQmxnzMf6MZ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:05, Florent THIERY wrote: yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems: You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone. To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable. And it's not something you use on mobility situation (in the streets...). With the not-sexy-at-all battery powered usb hub, will a keyboard work easily? USB keyboard support in the kernel would be sufficient, right? It would seem to be cleaner to use a bluetooth keyboard. No messy cables or anything, and it has batteries built-in. There's a few examples on the wiki. Cheers, Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Attaching accessories (was: OpenMoko Challenges
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 13:16:10 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: As for keyboard, you can even use a self powered usb keyboard and not use any cabling at all. Obviously that should read Bluetooth instead of USB. pgpEhlkzZvHmn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973 but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting monster google A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication. So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from gmail.com. (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for) Nice hints like: S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. Seems not to be understood or respected. Sorry for my hard words,* but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist without respecting References in the emailheader will making an unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives. So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers how to do so Which gmail user can help? Thank you :)) rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Salve! Excuse me, I myself was writing once here on this list about respect and to give everybody a warm welcome. The best solution for mailinglist formal things would be personal mails with explaination... Robert Michel schrieb am Dienstag, den 13. Februar 2007 um 13:57h: The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( I don't mean every gmail user - I just wanted to express that using gmail could become or already is a negative business cardm personal reference like using hotmail or aol mailaccount. I know that there are good reasons to use a separate freemailer account for a mailinglist, especialy when you don't have a own mailserver... My comment was a little to fast written, my intention was to motivate others - maybe you, with the knowledge how to use gmail in a good way to explainig it to people here on this list doesn't having this knowledge or caring about threads. Hope this apology helps to motivate people to let this mailinglist running with respect, but also with efficiency due working threads. So how can write a short explaination for gmail users in the wiki? Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in gmail say reply to replys to the sender and not to the list. I NEVER*** want to reply to the individual when responding to a post on the list. If I say reply to all it puts the senders address in the to field and the openmoko address in the cc field. I strongly suspect this is the cause of unwanted cc's. Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of the tech mailing list readers using gmail, having a list feature that causes this kind of a problem should probably be reconsidered. I do not believe this is something that can be worked around in gmail other than by manually fixing every send to this list (which I do). I would ask the openmoko team to consider fixing the mailing list parameters in order to fix this problem. Regards, Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how to use gmail proper, instead of that I have to inform myself about gmail. In fact I think it is the best product on the market, free or otherwise, for handling threads. The problem which you are referring to has nothing to do with gmail, but with the fact that some people mistakenly delete the re: from the mail header when responding. This is only a backup for threading mails - threading by subjects. The better way is threading with working References in the header. Q: Is gmail killing this reference line in the header when the Subject does not begin with re:? Realy? Can you test this? BTW, it seems that e.g. Ryan is using Apple Mail as MUA. (Mail user agent = email client) AFAIK Apple mail can set References in the header. So the question stil is, what make the References missing for Ryan by using gmail. Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
As a Gmail user (all my emails route to Gmail), I found it the best because it is free, reliable, works on all my mobile devices, large storage, easy to use, good spam filtering, and has excellent threading. In fact, the only messages that become de-threaded are yours rob. Your habit of changing the subject line makes the email messages show up out of thread. Now, perhaps this is the fault of GMail - or the Mail list application that the OpenMoKo list is using. But it isn't nice, or professional, to disparage people (especially an obvious majority) just because of the email service they use. Andrew by the way, it's spelled References On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973 but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting monster google A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication. So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from gmail.com. (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for) Nice hints like: S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. Seems not to be understood or respected. Sorry for my hard words,* but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist without respecting References in the emailheader will making an unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives. So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers how to do so Which gmail user can help? Thank you :)) rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how to use gmail proper, instead of that I have to inform myself about gmail. That would assume there is some improper way that people are handling gmail. I disagree. In fact I think it is the best product on the market, free or otherwise, for handling threads. The problem which you are referring to has nothing to do with gmail, but with the fact that some people mistakenly delete the re: from the mail header when responding. This is only a backup for threading mails - threading by subjects. The better way is threading with working References in the header. hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail the better way. With your way, even if you change the subject it would be part of the same thread. That would make for a really easy time finding emails where you *meant* to change the subject and create a new thread. Q: Is gmail killing this reference line in the header when the Subject does not begin with re:? Realy? Can you test this? BTW, it seems that e.g. Ryan is using Apple Mail as MUA. (Mail user agent = email client) AFAIK Apple mail can set References in the header. So the question stil is, what make the References missing for Ryan by using gmail. Ahh... this is interesting - apple mail + gmail = problem I have no idea since I use the web client. Regards, Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: This explains the CC'ing but what's about the missing references? Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve hank! This explains the CC'ing. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in gmail say reply to replys to the sender and not to the list. I NEVER*** want to reply to the individual when responding to a post on the list. Never say never - I would not call it the problem is with the list I would call the problem is with the user not looking who they are sending an email. If you want the default behavior to be one that encourages the least likely intended result then you are right. In fact, perhaps the default should always be to send the email to George Bush, and then you can just change it to who you really intend! But seriously, the point is that default behavior matters. It should default to the most commonly needed situation, not an edge condition. This is the way *all* my other 14 mailing lists work. Back to the brocken threads - this is not explaining why some gmail users hasn't a proper emailheader with working Reference. Does you have an idea for this as well? As I said in the other thread, I cant speak to what might go wrong with some incorrect setting in apple mail combined with gmail. Regards, Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Thanks Richard. I have read this before, but forgot the official name of reply-to munging. I think your analysis is correct. The only thing I would say is that the non-standards compliant way of handling list administration is in fact, as far as I can tell, the standard way that at least the many high volume lists that I am on behave. Its kind of like being with a woman. You have to decide whether you would rather be happy, or be right. They are mutually exclusive! Regards, Hank On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote: Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of the tech mailing list readers using gmail, having a list feature that causes this kind of a problem should probably be reconsidered. I do not believe this is something that can be worked around in gmail other than by manually fixing every send to this list (which I do). I would ask the openmoko team to consider fixing the mailing list parameters in order to fix this problem. Hi, It's called 'reply-to munging', and it is as contentious as 'gnu-linux or linux', 'Allow proprietary binaries or only OS code', and many other things. Here's the details: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Basically all good email clients support mailinglists that abide by the protocols, with notable exception of Outlook and Gmail. So many list managers allow 'reply-to munging' to make life easier on those users, while all other users have to cope with the broken protocol as best they can, which they usually do pretty well. Sourceforge mailinglists especially push admins not to allow reply-to munging, to encourage to email software to support the protocol correctly, but I have seen many a sourceforge list dwindle to a trickle, because replies were not arriving at the list anymore, only to the original poster. It is difficult to promote working to standards, and then setup your email list in an non standard fashion, but in the same way we support MP3 as well as OGG, it might be better to be pragmatic about this issue, and allow reply-to munging, in the spirit of making the list as accessible and enjoyable to all its users, and to restrict arguments to important topics, not petty list issues. Cheers, Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail users CC'ing
On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... It's not because Google do the summer of code and have Chris Dibona and most of the talented OS developers on their staff that there is anything free or open about them. They'll own your mind if you let them. I know you mean it in the nicest possible way as you say at the bottom of your mail but this sounds rude to me. Anyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? I'm not sure if this is inherent to the way the gmail client works, but maybe someone could document on the wiki how gmail can be setup so it doesn't send everything double? You can't default that behavior. You have to click Reply to all and manually cut/paste the mailing list from CC to TO. I get CC's on mails I never sent, and it's not that big of a deal, but gets kind of annoying having loads of mails coming in twice. Talking about smart mail client, some (e.g. Gmail) are able to see when two mails are the same and make it appear only once. That's all meant in the nicest possible way, and if that's just the way Gmail works, then fine - I can live with it. That's not Gmail specific. Many client don't offer a Reply to list option. It is just more visible as there is quite a lot of gmail users. -- Alexandre Franke GNU/Linux user #390077 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Please remove me from the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: community Digest, Vol 14, Issue 22 Send community mailing list submissions to community@lists.openmoko.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of community digest... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout we want freedom to choose and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great _webmail_ applications, with which I can access my mail anywhere I want. (I'm not always at home reading my mail) I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the past. (which was slow) Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like and that I use. And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on the side of the page by scanning your email, like they also do with the ad-sense ads, there is no difference there, no human eyes are involved in that process. I have seen no proof of datamining, I rarely get spam in my inbox, and most of my mails are threaded. If you can't deal with gmail-messages, fine, block all gmail.com messages, that is your choice. It won't stop me from using Gmail. --- A very miffed Gmail-user, Marcel On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working Referneces or In-Replay-To On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: Hi, Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... tzz, locking forward to have more ICT freedom with OpenMoko/Neo1973 but wasting personal freedom and privatcy by using the datacollecting monster google A nyway, aside from that minirant, is it possible when sending mail from Gmail to not CC loads of people in the meantime? The gmailers here on the list are also _rowdily_ by not using an emailclient with supporting working References :(( Maybe they are so ICT unskilled that they do not know that good emailcinets support threading for efficient and civilised communication. So either someone of the gmail guys explains the other gmail ICT-noobs how to use an emailclient for a civilised participtation on a mailinglist, or I will gooing filter all mails comming from gmail.com. (Gmail users seems to become what AOL users has been known for) Nice hints like: S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. Seems not to be understood or respected. Sorry for my hard words,* but as we known there are over 800 people on the list and a mailinglist without respecting References in the emailheader will making an unneccessary mess in our inboxes, but also on the webarchives. So when you are using gmail and you know how to use gmail civilised on a mailinglist, please explain other gmailers how to do so Which gmail user can help? Thank you :)) rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea: Caller set ringtone
Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. The transfer of the ring tone should preferably be done, when calling. But if that is not feasible then it should be done the next time the phone is connected to a cheap communication channel (internet). To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Camera and MMS
I agree. My work environment is as free and open as can be imagined, (sysadmin for a wireless broadband ISP - I work from home much of the time, most of the rest is at a tower or our NOC) but there are a variety of situations/locations (list growing) where camera phones are prohibited. Like many courtrooms. In a recent court hearing with my ex-wife, my camera phone had to be left at the security desk - with a post-it identifying me and dropped in a drawer. (meanwhile my ex breezed right through with hers, since it was 'concealed' in her handbag and the guards never examined it, just x-rayed the bag...) Given the choice of the 'same' device both with and without integrated camera, I'd unhesitatingly select the camera-less model - the few times that I've actually needed the integrated camera and didn't have my 'real' digital cam handy don't outweigh the irritation of being required to surrender my phone in secure (or paranoid) environments. I'd rather deal with not having a camera than be unconnected. j Andreas Kaeser wrote: Michele Manzato wrote: Voting for integrated Camera as well ... Well, as much as I would like a camera in my all-in-one gadget, it would be prohibitive for my every day use: in my working environment anything capable of picture recording is strictly disallowed. So I wouldn't be able to use Neo1973 :-( I guess people working under such conditions are less than 10% of total population, so maybe we won't be considered too much. A pluggable camera would definitely help! Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Oh, and one more thing. You've been told this by others before, but you igore it so I will say it again. You keep changing the subject of your posts, and whether you like it or not you are screwing up gmail threading, and I suspect threading from other programs. That wouldnt be so bad if your new subjects made any sense. Which they dont. This is something that you can fix. And given the volume of your posts it makes the list much harder to follow. Of course I guess you would prefer that we gmail people just go away anyway, so why listen to us. Hank ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems installing boost pkgs for OE (Was: Problems installing OE on Linux)
Please change the wiki page as you suggest, Terence, and thanks both to you and Robin for sorting this out. Michael On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Terence Haddock wrote: That is a good one, I need to remember that! Since we're directly referencing a specific monotone install on a specific architecture, adding the dependencies does not bother me too much, however it would help keep the page up-to-date if we updated the monotone version. So, again, if no-one objects, I will change the monotone install steps to reflect Robin's suggestion below. I'd set up a repository, but it seems overkill for a single package! - Terry Robin Farine wrote: On Tue February 13 2007 11:19, Terence Haddock wrote: Only these commands should be needed to install monotone: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.de b sudo apt-get install libboost-date-time1.33.1 \ libboost-filesystem1.33.1 libboost-regex1.33.1 sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb unless somebody objects, I'll update the wiki! Or to avoid to mention explicit dependencies on the wiki: wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb sudo dpkg -i monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb If the last commands fails because of missing dependencies: sudo apt-get install -f The last step will take care of the missing dependencies and prompt the user to confirm the installation of the extra packages. Robin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote: Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of the tech mailing list readers using gmail, having a list feature that causes this kind of a problem should probably be reconsidered. I do not believe this is something that can be worked around in gmail other than by manually fixing every send to this list (which I do). I would ask the openmoko team to consider fixing the mailing list parameters in order to fix this problem. Hi, It's called 'reply-to munging', and it is as contentious as 'gnu-linux or linux', 'Allow proprietary binaries or only OS code', and many other things. Here's the details: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Basically all good email clients support mailinglists that abide by the protocols, with notable exception of Outlook and Gmail. So many list managers allow 'reply-to munging' to make life easier on those users, while all other users have to cope with the broken protocol as best they can, which they usually do pretty well. Sourceforge mailinglists especially push admins not to allow reply-to munging, to encourage to email software to support the protocol correctly, but I have seen many a sourceforge list dwindle to a trickle, because replies were not arriving at the list anymore, only to the original poster. It is difficult to promote working to standards, and then setup your email list in an non standard fashion, but in the same way we support MP3 as well as OGG, it might be better to be pragmatic about this issue, and allow reply-to munging, in the spirit of making the list as accessible and enjoyable to all its users, and to restrict arguments to important topics, not petty list issues. Thanks for explaining this, Richard. I had a vague understanding of this problem but not to the level of details you provide. Now I think I understand. I have been guilty (sometimes) of removing the re: to reduce the length of a long subject line. I won't do this any more. When replying, I too try to remember to remove all the individual cc and leave just the mailing list, but sometimes I forget... (My email client is pine. It's all about choice, right? :-) Can we agreen on a small list of guidelines that we could put on the wiki? At least then when the problem comes up we can point at the wiki and hopefully resolve the issue more rapidly (not that this always works). Or is simply coming up with the guidelines too contentious? For instance: Proposed wiki page: How to respond to list email: 1. Never remove any re: in the message subject. Some (not all) email clients use this to identify the thread. 2. If your email client adds the original poster and other addressees to the Cc: field, remove them. You should always respond only to the list. 3. To start a new subject, always compose a new message. Responding to a message, even if you change the subject field, will leave a reference to a previous thread. Others? Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gmail users CC'ing
This is totally off-topic for the list, really, but whatever... I use gmail because spam has made email pretty much useless for me. Because I have default addresses enabled for many of my domains, I get something in the neighborhood of 1500 'dictionary attack' spam messages a day. It's not easy to disable default addresses, because I've been using these domains for years, long before spam was a problem. Many people I don't want to lose touch with send mail to me at a variety of different addresses, and there's no way I could really set up explicit forwarders for every alias people use to get in touch with me. I don't have the time to make spam-blocking a part time job, and I haven't found a 'set it and forget it' spam blocker option that doesn't either block legitimate messages or let massive amounts of spam through. Gmail does a pretty good job of blocking spam. I route most (but not all) of my email to gmail, and now only a couple of spam messages get through. I keep my private communications on my own server under a couple of specific accounts. I don't like the privacy issues with gmail, but a cost-benefit analysis tells me it's better to let Google serve me some ads and store some of my non-confidential email than it is to spend a good chunk of my days filtering spam. Anyhow, let's all just get along ok. sheesh. On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 16:26, Alexandre Franke wrote: On 2/13/07, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote: On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail the better way. With your way, even if you change the subject it would be part of the same thread. I believe that is proper -- to remain part of the same thread. To create a new thread, start with a new email -- do not reply to a current thread with an altered subject. Well, it depends on how you define proper. Again, to me this is about user interface, and what is expected behavior. I dont think your average (non-programmer) would think that a new message with a a new message no, which is what I said to do if you want to create a new thread -- but the conversation was about replying to a previous message and changing the subject expecting it to start a new thread -- which does not work. different subject would be in the same thread. My gmail account does this, so anyone using gmail should expect it after seeing it occur -- see below. Replies to emails with changed subject show in the same thread/conversation, not new or separate ones. More importantly, the interface revolution in gmail is the grouping of threads by subject. Not based on what I just did ( subject threading may be a fallback mechanism as mentioned earlier -- evolution has this 'option' also). This is one of the reasons that so many people love gmail. It makes what used to be a much more complicated thing much easier to follow. I think people are voting with their email accounts and by this measure people in mailing lists *love* the gmail design. The high percentage of gmail use vs aol or hotmail or outlook or whatever is no coincidence. Regards, Hank In my gmail account: create a message with subject Test Thread - body Test Thread. Send it. Reply to it from gmail account, Change the subject to Test Thread Two - body to test thread Two, Send it. Reply to Test Thread Two, Change subject to Test Thread three - body to Test Thread 3, Send it. View Test Thread Three,,, see that Google 'threaded' all three messages as one thread/conversation, not three separate ones. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Reid, Your test doesnt work when you are looking at messages that you yourself sent. Messages you send from a given thread are always in the same thread, but messages from someone else from the same thread with a different subject are not put in the same thread, and that is the problem on the list. Regards, Hank On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote: On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail the better way. With your way, even if you change the subject it would be part of the same thread. I believe that is proper -- to remain part of the same thread. To create a new thread, start with a new email -- do not reply to a current thread with an altered subject. Well, it depends on how you define proper. Again, to me this is about user interface, and what is expected behavior. I dont think your average (non-programmer) would think that a new message with a a new message no, which is what I said to do if you want to create a new thread -- but the conversation was about replying to a previous message and changing the subject expecting it to start a new thread -- which does not work. different subject would be in the same thread. My gmail account does this, so anyone using gmail should expect it after seeing it occur -- see below. Replies to emails with changed subject show in the same thread/conversation, not new or separate ones. More importantly, the interface revolution in gmail is the grouping of threads by subject. Not based on what I just did ( subject threading may be a fallback mechanism as mentioned earlier -- evolution has this 'option' also). This is one of the reasons that so many people love gmail. It makes what used to be a much more complicated thing much easier to follow. I think people are voting with their email accounts and by this measure people in mailing lists *love* the gmail design. The high percentage of gmail use vs aol or hotmail or outlook or whatever is no coincidence. Regards, Hank In my gmail account: create a message with subject Test Thread - body Test Thread. Send it. Reply to it from gmail account, Change the subject to Test Thread Two - body to test thread Two, Send it. Reply to Test Thread Two, Change subject to Test Thread three - body to Test Thread 3, Send it. View Test Thread Three,,, see that Google 'threaded' all three messages as one thread/conversation, not three separate ones. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
Hello Robert my apologies too, I was somewhere in a bad mood at the moment I wrote that response, it was like adding oil on the flames, you couldn't know that either. On 2/13/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Marcel,*! This is a personal answer from me - I'm very sorry to started this thread going into deep and I do not want to harm Openmoko by dissmotivating people to join... So, my style was not ok and I already asked for excuse me. Apology accepted. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Marcel de Jong wrote: Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout we want freedom to choose and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great _webmail_ applications, with which I can access my mail anywhere I want. (I'm not always at home reading my mail) I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the past. (which was slow) Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like and that I use. And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on the side of the page by scanning your email, Yes, google is scanning *my* email and selling adds fitting to the mail - maybe also selling informations about me to others... I know that there were privacy advocates in the beginning that were saying that, but I don't think that Google goes so far to do that, they'd waste a lot of goodwill that they have. You as gmail user has agreed that google is allowed to - scan *my* email - to save *my* email as long as google likes. Your ISP scans your email too, at least if you are not running your own mailserver. Who knows what happens there. I do not have a problem with this, as long it is only about emails going to a public mailinglist - but when I want to send a personal mail to that person the problems starts. like they also do with the ad-sense ads, there is no difference there, no human eyes are involved in that process. I have seen no proof of datamining, http://www.epic.org/privacy/gmail/faq.html What is their standpoint on adsense on webpages where you can contribute, such as wikis and for instance comments on weblogs. Then your content is subject to the same things that your emails are on gmail's servers. I don't see the difference there, agreed with regards to really personal emails, yes, you do not post them somewhere on a webserver, but still no other human eyes will see those, aside from you and the recipient. Just a machine that determines which ad could be placed along side it. (Google is a business like any other, they too want to earn money) :) Comparing with the spirit of the BBS times (with modems) a lot of interest of self-determined communication has been lost, people using skype and gmail because it is free - not caring what the price is that the have to pay or the people they are communicate with. I can't understand why people so close-fisted not spending some US$/Euros a year for a mailservice without advertisement and data mining. When more users would do this, better services would be on the market. But those systems aren't there, there isn't a nice easy to use webmail client, with a subscription-fee, that doesn't scan your email. (Hushmail scans your email on spam too, don't they?) And just agreed to Richards point: Why so many people who believe in the ideals put forward by the Neo/Openmoko project are happy to use Gmail astounds me.. If you can't deal with gmail-messages, fine, block all gmail.com My sound was wrong - I just want make you think that you are give away you and others privatcy for a free webmailservice. I don't think that your privacy is in any more danger than the internet already poses. And if it were, Google's webmail is I think the least of your worries (since its data isn't openly available). Anyone can find literally gigabytes of information on you, just by searching the web, and using commercial databases. (Go and look up Privacy is dead, get over it. This was a speech recently held by a private investigator for a 2600.org meeting in New York on the very subject of privacy and how the net threatens it.) And when the webmailer is also reason for trouble I hope my comments against gmail does only cost *me* sympathy points and *not* *OpenMoko* and I also hope that even when my sound was wrong, it creates reflection about decentral self controlled services instead of big-players data-mining solutions. I don't have the time to set up my own webserver, and even if I did, I don't have the machines to do so. So that is clearly not a solution for me, and any other solution would be impossible, if we look at your suggestion. Every other solution is namely a centralized service by a company that could be a data-miner. Sure, I love having
Update: Problems installing OE on Linux
Okay-- BTW I am following this tutorial: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/OpenEmbedded/ SettingUpOEForUbuntu I got Boost installed and I am cruising along. Will update again if I have trouble. Thank you for all your help. -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Petty Bickering :( Please stop!
Will you all just please stop the petty bickering amongst yourselves, and concentrate on the WONDERFULNESS that is openmoko I don't care about what email client one may use, or the difficulties by some people with regards to threading. I for one apologize for sending a few emails previously that were cc'd to the list ,rather than simply to the list, but I don't think this should be the cause of a rift between excited techie people who really want a kickass totally customizable open mobile phone. Please, will you all just stop the fighting, and get on with better things: TALK ABOUT THE PHONE AND ITS SOFTWARE! Thanks, from a a computer geek and wireless nut, Mike. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
References: And please use a emailclients with working Reference Re: gmail users CC'ing
S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working References: or In-Reply-To: in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with Referneces. I'm new to forums, etc. Could someone post a tutorial on using Apple mail for refereces, etc. -ryan___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How many Neos?
Bad guy again :-) : To Sean: How many Neos have to be sold (and in which time frame) to keep FIC happy? I think this is pretty important and we, as a community should help to achieve this target. If Sean we fail, FIC will probably show no mercy with the beloved platform. Am I wrong? Please disregard this post if the regarding info is considered confidential... Milan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Abuse - was Idea: Caller set ringtone
Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny. This raises the interesting problem of how to deal with nasty people with openmoko phones. May a 'web of niceness' be an idea? Something like: With each neo, you get a public/private key, signed by FIC or someone. Someone sets their picture to be goatse (a not work safe image), you say 'this person is annoying'. If they are annoying enough, other users may refuse to trust them for various purposes. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More Problems installing OE on Linux
Hey-- Now I am stuck trying to obtain BitBake. Terminal doesn't recognize svn command, what should I use? -ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More Problems installing OE on Linux
Now I am stuck trying to obtain BitBake. Terminal doesn't recognize svn command, what should I use? sudo apt-get subversion Did you mean: sudo apt-get install subversion? That seems to work Thanks, Ryan On Feb 13, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ryan Kline writes: Now I am stuck trying to obtain BitBake. Terminal doesn't recognize svn command, what should I use? sudo apt-get subversion ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Caller set ringtone
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:13:43PM +, Ole Tange wrote: Caller should be able to transfer and set his ring tone. If the phone displays a picture when the phone is ringing, then caller should be able to transfer and set this as well. No phone I've seen yet allows the caller to set anything on the callee's phone, and I can imagine several reasons why I wouldn't really want this on a MoKo phone, though I can imagine several reasons why I would as well. The transfer of the ring tone should preferably be done, when calling. But if that is not feasible then it should be done the next time the phone is connected to a cheap communication channel (internet). This will depend on a few things, namely if the phone supports GSM and GPRS connections at the same time, if the provider supports those, and if the caller and callee have data plans. To avoid abuse the callee should be able to deny people from doing it. Default would be deny. Actually, a better idea I can see is having some kind of a P2P (Phone to phone) application running on the MoKo that allows people to beam items between phones easily. That way when I'm near a friend who has a MoKo, (s)he could send me their personalized ring tone and even picture and then I could associate those with their contact record so they'd come up when that person calls. In fact, beaming (preferably with a minimum of effort on the users' part) entire contact records would be really nice as well. That way when someone asks for my number, I can just send them my business card and they'll have all the information I want to share. Or I could get a family member's contact information from another family member through the same mechanism. -KW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenGL on the Neo1973??
Paul Bonser wrote: On 2/13/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If somebody wanted to do an OpenGL ES implementation for it, that would probably also be good, though at 233Mhz, it's not going to have much power spare for rendering, and plus, the SDL port would be much more useful all around. Indeed on all counts. I just realized that since OpenMoko comes with X already, no porting should actually be necessary. Of course, if there is some sort of 2D accelerated hardware, then it would be useful to write a backend that uses the hardware directly... There isn't, sorry. All we have is the unaccellerated framebuffer from the s3c2410. -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
New Topic: Community List Privacy Concerns
I may be being a bit paranoid, but with all this online predator stuff going on, I am a bit concerned about my privacy within the list. For example, although you must be a member of the list to view a list of all list subscribers, anyone can view the list archives which include our emails with each post. Is there a way that the archives could be Subscriber-Only? I would feel a bit more secure that only 845 people can access my name and email. -ryan (who just got OE installed, finally! but has no idea what to do with it!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
