Screen size vs. resolution

[Dylan McCall]

The Neo1973's screen, with its huge resolution (for a portable device),
sounds absolutely beautiful.
However, I am a bit worried about its size, as the thing is smaller across
than a single screen on something like a Nintendo DS, which is hardly a big
screen. Does the resolution, or the size of the device relative to the
screen, make a big enough difference that this smaller screen still feels
pretty big? (Or, even better, is the 2.8 inches I am reading an incorrect
measurement?)

Bye,
Dylan McCall
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Re: device recovery

[Jeff Andros]

On 7/1/07, James Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Your're assuming an awfully clever thief here...I guess it's possible that
someone who pickpockets cell phones might know to flash the firmware, but
it's probable that most don't--I shouldn't think the majority of common
thieves would even be aware of the open nature of the OpenMoko--they'd just
think it a shiny, expensive cell, prime for a new SIM.





well, they won't know of the open nature unless that other thread with the
TV ads kicks in and we splash the thing around the interblogosphereweb

but seriously, it's not the thief that you really need to worry about being
clever... it's his fence, and yeah, some of those guys are clever enough to
flash a phone, or know someone who is, so don't assume this, what I'd think
about is integrating this functionality into u-boot, where it's harder to
get to, then altering the u-boot upgrader to require a password: no
password, no flashy.  We're talking about reading then sending one line
commands to UARTs for a GPS fix, then an sms, I don't see anything that
couldn't easily be handled by the bootloader each time the phone is turned
on, especially since both the GPS and GSM hardware are separate subsystems

I would really hate for anyone to be a tester, but I think it would be
interesting to gather data from multiple tracking methods(u-Boot, userland,
k-space)-- we could implement all of them easily and then see, as phones
were (god forbid) stolen(knock on wood just in case)

--
Jeff
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nothing to fear from the iPhone

[Raphaël Jacquot]

it appears AT&T is fumbling all around with activating the iPhones.

http://thomashawk.com/2007/06/activating-new-iphone-thus-far-is-pain.html

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Dylan McCall]

Kind of OT, but on the GPS thought... one thing it could do is map WiFi
hotspots to GPS coordinates automatically as you walk / drive around. That
way, for example, you could solve that problem of "not being able to easily
find WiFi hotspots" (which is the big thing against WiFi right now), since
you could just pull out the device and ask it where the nearest open hotspot
is. (Boom! There's one).

As for point of interest stuff... I don't think it would be too painful to
have an address book that also has GPS coordinates for your addresses, with
a little "set to current location" button that would tell the device that
said coordinates are said address. (And then the addresses could have tags,
such as Theatre, that the device could act on automatically).

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On 7/1/07, Raphaël Jacquot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Nick Johnson wrote:
> On 7/2/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps
>> locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic
>> about what
>> it can and cant do.
>
> As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that
> isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that
> you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't
> neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :)

you'd be surprised at what recent (sirfstar III) receivers can tell you.
last time, I could make up the aisles in the supermarket...

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Re: adding data services with t.mobile for neo 1973

[Knight Walker]

On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 09:40 -0700, Brian Beattie wrote:
> I'm thinking about getting an openmoko phone and I have service with
> t.mobile.  Searching the t,mobile web page does not tell me how to add
> data service to my plan since they think, there are no internet plans
> compatible with my device.
> 
> Does anybody here know how I would go about adding data service to my
> plan without buying a device I don't need?

I too have T-Mobile and I am currently using an "unsupported" device.
As much of a pain as it will be, I'd say your best bet is to call them
and have one of their customer service people add whatever you're after
to your plan.  That's what I'll likely do when I get my Neo (Either in a
month or three months, depending on finances).  You can either call 611
from your phone or call their 800 number from another phone (I've had to
do it both ways for various reasons).

-KW


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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Tim Newsom]

Sean,

Supposing some company decided to provide alternate case designs or add 
on products for the neo1973, who do they need to talk to about branding 
/ authorization to sell them to the public?


OR

Is it possible that FIC or the OpenMoko company will have a section on 
their sales page supporting 3rd party add-ons, etc?


--Tim
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:10, Robin Paulson wrote:

well, i'm definitely interested in someone doing something like this -
and my background is in CAD/engineering/materials with a bit of CAM,
so i might as well start things off.

i can't see any schematics/CAD drawings up on the wiki - can someone
point me in the direction of accurate, precise drawings of the
internals and the case?

if not, then to sean:
will FIC be releasing good engineering drawings of the component(s) or
will we be going down the route of measuring hardware and drawing our
own? if we are going the reverse-engineering route, is someone willing
to whip out their micrometer and a decent (open-source) CAD package
and make some up for us?

On 7/2/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 7/1/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
 want a case made from brass with diamonds inset, and a 200mm joystick
 - go for for it.
 
The real question is, how long before we see a really good steampunk 
case?
anyone out there want to show off your 3D Cam skills and start putting 
them
up for sale... I'd buy ( rapidobject.com was previously mentioned if 
you

need a place to do the work)

--
Jeff
O|||O


--Tim

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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Dylan McCall]

Someone a while ago discussed plastic screen overlays. That seems the best
way to offer optional buttons, although a problem does arise if one wants to
press more than one button.
The other way is an expansion via bluetooth, or via one of the existing hard
ports. My dream handheld would be a very basic and thin piece of hardware
built to connect smoothly with a variety of devices via a big, centralized
and fast hardware connector, accessing hardware available on those connected
devices, offering a big screen and some kind of front-end OS... but that
would be a pretty darn complicated endeavour for any time soon.

Bye,
-Dylan McCall

On 7/1/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


well, i'm definitely interested in someone doing something like this -
and my background is in CAD/engineering/materials with a bit of CAM,
so i might as well start things off.

i can't see any schematics/CAD drawings up on the wiki - can someone
point me in the direction of accurate, precise drawings of the
internals and the case?

if not, then to sean:
will FIC be releasing good engineering drawings of the component(s) or
will we be going down the route of measuring hardware and drawing our
own? if we are going the reverse-engineering route, is someone willing
to whip out their micrometer and a decent (open-source) CAD package
and make some up for us?

On 7/2/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/1/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > want a case made from brass with diamonds inset, and a 200mm joystick
> > - go for for it.
> > 
> The real question is, how long before we see a really good steampunk
case?
> anyone out there want to show off your 3D Cam skills and start putting
them
> up for sale... I'd buy ( rapidobject.com was previously mentioned if you
> need a place to do the work)
>
> --
> Jeff
> O|||O

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Re: New Oceans

[Pranav Desai]

On 6/30/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Pranav Desai wrote:

> On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > > +1 to this unbundled approach.  Also maybe add "replacement
>> touchscreen"
>> > > as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted?
>> >
>> > Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware
>> types are
>> > discussing various gadgets that would hack into the neo for CPU and
>> > connectivity. A pity to waste a whole phone (and the $$s) if the
>> case and
>> > screen is not needed.
>>
>> +1 for both. (I think I suggested that one months ago, already ;)
>>
>
> Thats a great idea !
>
> So if the boards are sold separately, then will it be possible to use
> the GTA02 board with the phone screen and case that we are getting in
> July. That would help someone like me who dont want to buy a complete
> new phone in October, but would certainly like the wifi in the GTAv02
> board for much less than $450.

hehe...well I didn't really think of it that way. But yes, that would
be one possible upgrade plan. I don't think we plan on making changes
to the tooling. That's _really_ expensive. So this should work. Let
me double check on Monday.



You just got to think "outside the case" !! ... :-))

I hope it works that way.

Thanks

-- Pranav


-Sean





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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Robin Paulson]

well, i'm definitely interested in someone doing something like this -
and my background is in CAD/engineering/materials with a bit of CAM,
so i might as well start things off.

i can't see any schematics/CAD drawings up on the wiki - can someone
point me in the direction of accurate, precise drawings of the
internals and the case?

if not, then to sean:
will FIC be releasing good engineering drawings of the component(s) or
will we be going down the route of measuring hardware and drawing our
own? if we are going the reverse-engineering route, is someone willing
to whip out their micrometer and a decent (open-source) CAD package
and make some up for us?

On 7/2/07, Jeff Andros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 7/1/07, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> want a case made from brass with diamonds inset, and a 200mm joystick
> - go for for it.
> 
The real question is, how long before we see a really good steampunk case?
anyone out there want to show off your 3D Cam skills and start putting them
up for sale... I'd buy ( rapidobject.com was previously mentioned if you
need a place to do the work)

--
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Re: New Oceans

[Attila Csipa]

> Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders.


There was talk about an European distributor. Will that be a coordinated 
effort and start taking orders on that day too ? Also, it would be good to 
get a confirmation on the Euro prices ( = USD+taxes/duties/shipping/etc) the 
end customers on the old continent will have.

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Raphaël Jacquot]

Nick Johnson wrote:

On 7/2/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps
locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic 
about what

it can and cant do.


As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that
isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that
you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't
neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :)


you'd be surprised at what recent (sirfstar III) receivers can tell you.
last time, I could make up the aisles in the supermarket...

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

That was exactly the example one of the german developer used to explain the
gps in a german podcast (I think it was Harald Welte in conversation with
Chaos Radio). The idea is, that you save some points and adds information
what to do there. So, a few meters around the cinema, the Neo switchtes to
stand-by. Or if you are at school, it doesn't make any sounds. So, I think,
it is quite realistic.

P.S.: I hope I posted it now right after creating a new thread every time
before...

On 7/2/07, Nick Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 7/2/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps
> locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about
what
> it can and cant do.

As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that
isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that
you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't
neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :)

-Nick Johnson

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Nick Johnson]

On 7/2/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps
locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what
it can and cant do.


As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that
isn't as hard as you might think. The main problem would be that
you're not going to have GPS reception indoors, so you won't
neccessarially know when you're entering a cinema. :)

-Nick Johnson

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Ian Darwin]

Frederic Kettelhoit wrote:

Annother possible scenario:

Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo.
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone.
* iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself
Neo: What are you doing?
iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps.
Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind 
of stuff. Works automatically.

iPhone: GPS, yeah?
Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for 
me, to switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie.

iPhone: Oh, bye.
* Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again.
iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally...


Change the last line to
* iPhone wanders off, looking lost and confused. :-)

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RE: Advertising/hype

[Dean Collins]

Bzzz lets not get too carried away - are the Neo's going to have te gps
locations of every cinema globally - nope then lets get realistic about
what it can and cant do.

 

Nothing kills a product like overhypeor has someone written code for
a Neo to make me Eggs Benedict in the mornings?

 

 

Regards,

Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 +1-212-203-4357 Ph
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic
Kettelhoit
Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2007 6:40 PM
To: community
Subject: Advertising/hype

 

Annother possible scenario:

Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo.
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone.
* iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself
Neo: What are you doing?
iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps. 
Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind
of stuff. Works automatically.
iPhone: GPS, yeah?
Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for
me, to switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie. 
iPhone: Oh, bye.
* Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again.
iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally...

You see, I'm not very good in writing scripts, I hope you can
understand, what I mean.

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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Robin Paulson]

yes, great idea. i'm sure it could be hosted on openmoko - drawings
for the modified case, instructions for materials, prices and so on.
you can modify the hardware, just take off the parts you don't like
and replace them. want a new case in silver and purple? go for it.
want a case made from brass with diamonds inset, and a 200mm joystick
- go for for it.

i'm of the opinion that the case is way too big/fugly and would love
to be able to make my own.

iirc, the mobo has spare header pins for connecting additional
hardware like trackball, d-pad, etc?

On 7/2/07, Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ok, that sounds not really good... Probably it is more difficult than I
thougt... But what would be with an expansion back and top as described in
the hardware wishlist? I would be sad to have a phone with open software but
without the possibility to modify the hardware. Probably I would like to
make a case for me, which is more stylish in my eyes. So it could be easy to
make it big enough to put an extra camera or probably a trackball inside.
The camera in the back and the trackball in the front. With some changes on
the motherboard, that would be possible, I think. It would make the Neo
perfect. Everyone could contribute everything, even hardware. That's my
opinion, what do you think?

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Re:An alternative gaming top case

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Sure -- building your own case is a definite option.  Modifying the
motherboard yourself isn't a practical option (I say that from the
perspective of somebody who has successfully soldered a couple of SMT
components by hand), but there are some unused connectors on there --
in particular an I2C, and I think I've heard of at least one camera
that interfaces to I2C.

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Advertising/hype

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

Annother possible scenario:

Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo.
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone.
* iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself
Neo: What are you doing?
iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps.
Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use GPS for that kind of
stuff. Works automatically.
iPhone: GPS, yeah?
Neo: Yes. Oh, wait, I'm entering the cinema. I think, it's better for me, to
switch to stand-by now. See you after the movie.
iPhone: Oh, bye.
* Neo leaves, iPhone looks on the map again.
iPhone: Oh, here we are! Finally...

You see, I'm not very good in writing scripts, I hope you can understand,
what I mean.
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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Robin Paulson]

do it then. i'm sure you could prototype a case and buttons using one
of those 3D printer things (rapid prototypers i think they're called).
then you could market the design on ponoko or somewhere similar. when
you get enough interest, pay for a production run in polystyrene or
whatever, and flog them to whoever wants one. one of the major points
of openmoko and linux in general is to promote a DIY attitude.

On 7/2/07, Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But there is a redesign of the board for the accelerometers, the wifi, and
the 3D Accleration. It would not be much more work to put a connector under
the top case. So if you want to play games, you just take the top case and
the back case, remove them, take the new gaming cases, add them. The little
hole below the screen would be removed, instead of it, there would be a
d-pad. I am not a hardware engineer, but the OpenMoko project built a whole
phone, so it should be easy to add some small buttons, I think.

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An alternative gaming top case

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

Ok, that sounds not really good... Probably it is more difficult than I
thougt... But what would be with an expansion back and top as described in
the hardware wishlist? I would be sad to have a phone with open software but
without the possibility to modify the hardware. Probably I would like to
make a case for me, which is more stylish in my eyes. So it could be easy to
make it big enough to put an extra camera or probably a trackball inside.
The camera in the back and the trackball in the front. With some changes on
the motherboard, that would be possible, I think. It would make the Neo
perfect. Everyone could contribute everything, even hardware. That's my
opinion, what do you think?
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Re:An alternative gaming top case

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Frederic Kettelhoit writes:
>Why wouldn't it be so easy? Take a d-pad and four buttons, make some holes
>in the top case and connect the buttons with the board. Where is the
>difficulty?

The part about retooling to do all that.

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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Nick Johnson]

I believe the real issue is that retooling (changing the phone
enclosure) is extremely expensive. So it's not adding the connector,
it's modifying the case to fit.

Also, do we know that they're modifying the motherboard to add extra
features for the public release, or are there simply spaces left on
the current one for the additional parts?

-Nick

On 7/2/07, Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But there is a redesign of the board for the accelerometers, the wifi, and
the 3D Accleration. It would not be much more work to put a connector under
the top case. So if you want to play games, you just take the top case and
the back case, remove them, take the new gaming cases, add them. The little
hole below the screen would be removed, instead of it, there would be a
d-pad. I am not a hardware engineer, but the OpenMoko project built a whole
phone, so it should be easy to add some small buttons, I think.

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Advertising/hype

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

Wow, awesome ideads. I really like both scripts! So what could be the
advantages of the OpenMoko vs. iPhone. I could imagine:

* the resolution 640*480 vs. 320*480
* the GPS
* the price
* the replaceble battery
* the open OS and apps (so important that we need the most ads targeting on
this imho)
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An alternative gaming top case

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

But there is a redesign of the board for the accelerometers, the wifi, and
the 3D Accleration. It would not be much more work to put a connector under
the top case. So if you want to play games, you just take the top case and
the back case, remove them, take the new gaming cases, add them. The little
hole below the screen would be removed, instead of it, there would be a
d-pad. I am not a hardware engineer, but the OpenMoko project built a whole
phone, so it should be easy to add some small buttons, I think.
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Re: Advertising/hype

[Frank Coenen]

Darn GMail... Here's e-mail I accidentally bcc'd instead of cc'd:

Somehow I don't think that 'the OS/ browser/ app that you built' will excite
anyone except linux-guru's. ;-) (it would scare me away...)
Take a look at some of the N95 vs iPhone spoofs on youtube. Some of them are
really good:
Battery replacement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1-8DpRNGNE&mode=related&search=
Internet: (This one is good since Jobs has convinced a lot of people that
only the iPhone has the 'real' Internet.whatever that may be.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwrE5UCUf7s&NR=1
Google Maps/ GPS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GecftG1Kh7w&NR=1

The scenario I like is also about the freedom to write applications, but
from a user/consumer point of view:
Moko: Hi, I'm an OpenMoko phone
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone
* OpenMoko looks is busy tapping on his phone.
iPhone: What are you doing?
Moko: Oh, I just installed this handy app that lets me .
iPhone: I don't think I have such a program. But I can run ajax-programs
through the web. Check this app out. It finds the cheapest gas stations in
your neighbourhood. Here I'll show you!
* iPhone does nothing.
Moko: Sow, can you show it to me or not?
iPhone: Wait, be patient, I'm loading the app
*pause again.
iPhone: Damnit, lost my connection!


On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This puts me in mind of "this is the house that jack built":
This is the phone that you built.
This is the OS running on the phone that you built.
This is the browser running on the OS on the phone that you built...

Not sure if that's what you were referring to, as I haven't seen the
ads in question.

-Nick

On 7/2/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current
state,
> glitches and all.
> Lines in quotes are voiceovers.
> "This is turning it on."
> We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen.
> "This is the internet."
> Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something.
> "This is your music..."
> Show terminal with:
>   cd /home/bob/multimedia/music
>   ls
>   They Might Be Giants   The White Stripes
>   The Red Hot Chili Peppers   The Killers
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "This is the package manager . . ."
> Show package manager displaying pending updates.
> ". . . that installs the updates . . ."
> User selects an update and clicks Install.
> " . . . that you write for your Neo."
> Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken.
> Female voice from phone: "Hey there."
> Fade to black, display centered text
>   FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko
> Get your hack on.
>
> That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to
mind,
> but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise
expectations
> unreasonably high!
>
> Cheers,
> Ryan
>

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Nick Johnson]

This puts me in mind of "this is the house that jack built":
This is the phone that you built.
This is the OS running on the phone that you built.
This is the browser running on the OS on the phone that you built...

Not sure if that's what you were referring to, as I haven't seen the
ads in question.

-Nick

On 7/2/07, Ryan Prior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state,
glitches and all.
Lines in quotes are voiceovers.
"This is turning it on."
We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen.
"This is the internet."
Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something.
"This is your music..."
Show terminal with:
  cd /home/bob/multimedia/music
  ls
  They Might Be Giants   The White Stripes
  The Red Hot Chili Peppers   The Killers
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"This is the package manager . . ."
Show package manager displaying pending updates.
". . . that installs the updates . . ."
User selects an update and clicks Install.
" . . . that you write for your Neo."
Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken.
Female voice from phone: "Hey there."
Fade to black, display centered text
  FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko
Get your hack on.

That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind,
but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations
unreasonably high!

Cheers,
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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[ewanm89]

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:54:11 +0300
Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> su, 2007-07-01 kello 17:51 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit kirjoitti:
> > So, please make a gaming top case for a few dollars more!
> 
> It would _not_ be that simple especially at this stage. I would wager
> some of the future devices will have keypads, but don't think this
> will make it for Neo1973.
> 

With the accelerometers tilt control is an option.

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Re: Advertising/hype

[ewanm89]

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:59:27 -0500
"Ryan Prior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the
> inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready
> for prime time.
> 
> I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These
> could be hyped in Slashdot-like circles even before GTA02 is out and
> before the software is mature - the idea is to attract hackers.
> 
> Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current
> state, glitches and all.
> Lines in quotes are voiceovers.
> "This is turning it on."
> We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen.
> "This is the internet."
> Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something.
> "This is your music..."
> Show terminal with:
>   cd /home/bob/multimedia/music
>   ls
>   They Might Be Giants   The White Stripes
>   The Red Hot Chili Peppers   The Killers
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "This is the package manager . . ."
> Show package manager displaying pending updates.
> ". . . that installs the updates . . ."
> User selects an update and clicks Install.
> " . . . that you write for your Neo."
> Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken.
> Female voice from phone: "Hey there."
> Fade to black, display centered text
>   FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko
> Get your hack on.
> 
> That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to
> mind, but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise
> expectations unreasonably high!
> 
> Cheers,
> Ryan

Sweet idea, but maybe we should come up with something that isn't an
obvious spoof too.

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Fwd: An alternative gaming top case

[Ortwin Regel]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 1, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: An alternative gaming top case
To: Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Connect the buttons with the board probably. Also the part about making some
holes into the top case and finding/making a working d-pad and buttons.

Ortwin

On 7/1/07, Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Why wouldn't it be so easy? Take a d-pad and four buttons, make some holes
in the top case and connect the buttons with the board. Where is the
difficulty?

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OpenMoko on a Treo 650

[Zoltan HERPAI]

http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/07/01/openmoko-on-a-treo-650/

Just some heads up if someone didn't notice already :)

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Ryan Prior]

Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside,
and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time.

On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Which brings me to a sudden (though premature) thought I had. I read
one or two other posts in the archives about advertising/hype, and it
occurred to me that the contrast between the iPhone and the OpenMoko
is like night and day. Even better, Apple have a very successful
advertising campaign that's just begging to be spoofed.



I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These could
be hyped in Slashdot-like circles even before GTA02 is out and before the
software is mature - the idea is to attract hackers.

Black background. Things come on screen in their unpolished current state,
glitches and all.
Lines in quotes are voiceovers.
"This is turning it on."
We see Tux and initscript messages scrolling down the screen.
"This is the internet."
Show browser displaying Slashdot or kernel.org or something.
"This is your music..."
Show terminal with:
 cd /home/bob/multimedia/music
 ls
 They Might Be Giants   The White Stripes
 The Red Hot Chili Peppers   The Killers
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"This is the package manager . . ."
Show package manager displaying pending updates.
". . . that installs the updates . . ."
User selects an update and clicks Install.
" . . . that you write for your Neo."
Incoming call interrupts package manager, call is taken.
Female voice from phone: "Hey there."
Fade to black, display centered text
 FIC Neo1973 + OpenMoko
   Get your hack on.

That's my idea for a commercial which calls the iPhone commercials to mind,
but which are targeted at a different audience and don't raise expectations
unreasonably high!

Cheers,
Ryan
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An alternative gaming top case

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

Why wouldn't it be so easy? Take a d-pad and four buttons, make some holes
in the top case and connect the buttons with the board. Where is the
difficulty?
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Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> >If you were writing a tongue-in-cheek piece what pithy term would you
> >use for open-source folks?
>   
"Communists"...?
> >It is all good clean fun. Don't take it too seriously.
>   
I used to _work_ for Apple, and I know "Real Steve"... Believe me, I'm
the _last_ person who'd "take it too seriously"...




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Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik]

On 18:46:58 2007-07-01 "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> "David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously,
> > but "Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973...
> >
> > http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html

> > 
> >
> > "Freetards", hm?
> 
> If you were writing a tongue-in-cheek piece what pithy term would you
> use for open-source folks?
> 
> It is all good clean fun. Don't take it too seriously.
> 

I pity that guy... He's actually sad to read... But then most of such
nonsense just washes over me without doing anything :)

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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Mikko Rauhala]

su, 2007-07-01 kello 17:51 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit kirjoitti:
> So, please make a gaming top case for a few dollars more!

It would _not_ be that simple especially at this stage. I would wager
some of the future devices will have keypads, but don't think this will
make it for Neo1973.

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Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

"David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously, but
> "Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973...
>
> http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html
>
> "Freetards", hm?

If you were writing a tongue-in-cheek piece what pithy term would you
use for open-source folks?

It is all good clean fun. Don't take it too seriously.

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adding data services with t.mobile for neo 1973

[Brian Beattie]

I'm thinking about getting an openmoko phone and I have service with
t.mobile.  Searching the t,mobile web page does not tell me how to add
data service to my plan since they think, there are no internet plans
compatible with my device.

Does anybody here know how I would go about adding data service to my
plan without buying a device I don't need?
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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[Ortwin Regel]

Make that four buttons so it can work as a second d-pad. That works really
well on the Zodiac, DS and GP2X. Also four shoulder buttons would be nice,
one for every corner. Would make it very flexible and great for 2 players on
one device games.

Ortwin

On 7/1/07, Frederic Kettelhoit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello together,

I really like the Neo. The software will be perfect, im sure. But there is
something about the hardware I dislike. Why is there no d-pad? Because many
people do not need one. Okay, but the Neo could be the perfect gaming mobile
phone. 3D acceleration, accelerometer, a rounded case. It would lie
perfectly in your hand for a short jump n run game for example. So please
make a second top case for gamers and sell it additionally or separated to
the normal one. It would be so easy; a d-pad below the screen and some
(three?) buttons above the screen. And wow, there is the perfect gaming
phone.
 I would really like to see a situation, where three people take out there
Neos and start playing a racing game over a w-lan network. The Neo would be
an outstanding device for game developers. The small screen makes it easy to
develop good loking games, you do not need a 10 people team just for the
graphics. On the other side, the wlan, the gps, the bluetooth, the
touchscreen, the accelerometers, and the fact, that all is open, would give
the developers the possibilities for new gaming concepts. And I think, a lot
of my friends would switch to the Neo, if the hear, that we could play
really cool games over a wireless network in school break.^^

So, please make a gaming top case for a few dollars more!

(Sorry for my bad english...)

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Re: Non dev wants to buy Neo1973

[ted braak]

Thanks for your answers. 
Don't know what I will do. Could be missing great hardware improvements if I 
buy too early, but I would be missing a couple of months of excitement as well. 
Tough choice :)
Will wait for the official announcements, and decide after that. 


> - Original Message -
> From: "Mikko Rauhala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: Non dev wants to buy Neo1973
> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:52:11 +0300
> 
> 
> la, 2007-06-30 kello 17:24 +0800, ted braak kirjoitti:
> > 1. Could hardware be changed in the consumer version? Is the dev version
> > also intended to 'tweak' the hardware?
> 
> It is certain to be changed, as per Sean's recent e-mail which is on at
> http://www.openmoko.org
> 
> > 2. Would I be "stealing" a phone away from a developer and by doing that
> > slow down development?
> 
> Earlier they have commented that they can supply as much of the dev.
> model as there is demand, though what with all the delays, this would
> seem to call for confirmation on the team's part.
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Re: An alternative gaming top case

[ted braak]

+1

It's already on the wishlist. I like the idea a lot.  

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#D-Pad_and_Buttons



> - Original Message -
> From: "Frederic Kettelhoit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: community 
> Subject: An alternative gaming top case
> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:51:35 +0200
> 
> 
> Hello together,
> 
> I really like the Neo. The software will be perfect, im sure. But there is
> something about the hardware I dislike. Why is there no d-pad? Because many
> people do not need one. Okay, but the Neo could be the perfect gaming mobile
> phone. 3D acceleration, accelerometer, a rounded case. It would lie
> perfectly in your hand for a short jump n run game for example. So please
> make a second top case for gamers and sell it additionally or separated to
> the normal one. It would be so easy; a d-pad below the screen and some
> (three?) buttons above the screen. And wow, there is the perfect gaming
> phone.
> I would really like to see a situation, where three people take out there
> Neos and start playing a racing game over a w-lan network. The Neo would be
> an outstanding device for game developers. The small screen makes it easy to
> develop good loking games, you do not need a 10 people team just for the
> graphics. On the other side, the wlan, the gps, the bluetooth, the
> touchscreen, the accelerometers, and the fact, that all is open, would give
> the developers the possibilities for new gaming concepts. And I think, a lot
> of my friends would switch to the Neo, if the hear, that we could play
> really cool games over a wireless network in school break.^^
> 
> So, please make a gaming top case for a few dollars more!
> 
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An alternative gaming top case

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

Hello together,

I really like the Neo. The software will be perfect, im sure. But there is
something about the hardware I dislike. Why is there no d-pad? Because many
people do not need one. Okay, but the Neo could be the perfect gaming mobile
phone. 3D acceleration, accelerometer, a rounded case. It would lie
perfectly in your hand for a short jump n run game for example. So please
make a second top case for gamers and sell it additionally or separated to
the normal one. It would be so easy; a d-pad below the screen and some
(three?) buttons above the screen. And wow, there is the perfect gaming
phone.
I would really like to see a situation, where three people take out there
Neos and start playing a racing game over a w-lan network. The Neo would be
an outstanding device for game developers. The small screen makes it easy to
develop good loking games, you do not need a 10 people team just for the
graphics. On the other side, the wlan, the gps, the bluetooth, the
touchscreen, the accelerometers, and the fact, that all is open, would give
the developers the possibilities for new gaming concepts. And I think, a lot
of my friends would switch to the Neo, if the hear, that we could play
really cool games over a wireless network in school break.^^

So, please make a gaming top case for a few dollars more!

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Sean Moss-Pultz]

On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 16:51 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit wrote:
> I also really like the script! Sounds great. The idea of some ads for
> the openmoko is great. The question is, whether there is someone who
> will pay that. FIC? Or do you want to show them on youtube and other
> free platforms only? 

If somebody is seriously about doing this let me know. I kinda liked the
idea ;-)

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Re: Advertising/hype

[Edwin Lock]

I think youtube is a very good means to spread some adverts..
Why not try it that way?
A lot of people/products have been promoted that way :)

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Advertising/hype

[Frederic Kettelhoit]

I also really like the script! Sounds great. The idea of some ads for the
openmoko is great. The question is, whether there is someone who will pay
that. FIC? Or do you want to show them on youtube and other free platforms
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Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[Ortwin Regel]

All publicity is good publicity. Also, this is obviously satire.

Ortwin

On 7/1/07, denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


David "Lefty" Schlesinger schrieb:
> I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously, but
> "Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973...
>
>
http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html
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> "Freetards", hm?
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Re: Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[denis]

David "Lefty" Schlesinger schrieb:
> I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously, but
> "Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973...
>
> http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html
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> "Freetards", hm?
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Fake Steve Rags on OpenMoko!

[David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger]

I don't recall having seen a mention of this on the list previously, but
"Fake Steve Jobs" has taken notice of the FIC1973...

http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/06/freetards-are-trying-to-make-iphone.html

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Re: Advertising/hype

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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:33:35 +1200
"Nick Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Scene: Completely blank white background.
> Two people enter the frame.
> 
> Moko: Hi, I'm an OpenMoko
> iPhone: And I'm an iPhone
> * OpenMoko looks like he's enjoying himself
> iPhone: What are you doing?
> Moko: Oh, I just downloaded this great new game I came across. Want
> to try it? iPhone: I, er, I can't play new games. I've got this great
> game of solitaire, though!
> Moko: That's a shame. Nothing at all?
> iPhone: Well, I can play games off the web. Some of them. Want a game
> of bejeweled?
> Moko: ...thanks, no. I'm fine.

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Advertising/hype

[Nick Johnson]

I just came across the OpenMoko project recently, but I'm enthused
enough I intend to buy one on release day, even if shipping to NZ _is_
expensive. I'm really impressed with the project, and after being
extremely disappointed with how closed the Apple iPhone is, it's a
relief to see someone's doing a phone the right way. If you asked me
for a feature list for my ideal phone, you'd pretty much end up with a
good description of the OpenMoko. ;)

Which brings me to a sudden (though premature) thought I had. I read
one or two other posts in the archives about advertising/hype, and it
occurred to me that the contrast between the iPhone and the OpenMoko
is like night and day. Even better, Apple have a very successful
advertising campaign that's just begging to be spoofed.

So now I'm imagining a few ads along these lines...

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Two people enter the frame.

Moko: Hi, I'm an OpenMoko
iPhone: And I'm an iPhone
* OpenMoko looks like he's enjoying himself
iPhone: What are you doing?
Moko: Oh, I just downloaded this great new game I came across. Want to try it?
iPhone: I, er, I can't play new games. I've got this great game of
solitaire, though!
Moko: That's a shame. Nothing at all?
iPhone: Well, I can play games off the web. Some of them. Want a game
of bejeweled?
Moko: ...thanks, no. I'm fine.

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You get the idea. Obviously I'm no script writer. ;)

-Nick Johnson

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Re: New Oceans

[Ben]

Sean sent his reply to me, since I first sent my comment to him just
by accident, damn Gmail. Here is his response for you all to see:

On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Ben wrote:


On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will be
$450.


Will the debug kit etc. for GTA01B_v4 be compatible with GTA02?
How about any future devices.


GTA02 for sure. We're going to do our best to use the same for later
devices. But I can't promise this now.


I heard the GTA02 will have a better battery, but can the GTA01B_v4
battery be used with it at all?


Sorry not the GTA01.


Will there be an option to buy more batteries? - if so, ball park
pricing? (within $50 or so).


It turns out you can use aftermarket Nokia batteries. So this should
be really cheap.


Any idea on shipping costs, and warranty length/service center? ie.
I'm in Australia, will I have to ship it back to Taiwan for repair or
will there be any local service centers?


For phase 1 the shipping costs might be a bit high. Perhaps something
like US$40 for Australia. For phase 2 we're hoping to get more local
distributors.

We're still finalizing the warranty repair stuff. Look for an
announcement before we start selling on July 9th.


In our factory in China, 400 Neos are waiting for you all. Another
600
will be ready before next week. More are queued up waiting for us
to say
go.


Given the total awesomeness and market changing potential, will you be
doing anything to ensure that they aren't all snaffled up by one
person to sell on eBay and/or melted down?
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Make more ;-)


I want to buy an OpenMoko, to support the project, show off at the
local Linux User Group and to play with to watch the development and
give feedback, I'm not a coder. Will I be hindering the process to buy
the v1 (as I'm not a developer and you don't have an infinite
quantity), or is this type of buying encouraged?


If you have a the stomach for upgrading your phone (manually) now,
then no. ;-)


lastly... I take the 1.5/1+ has been scrapped/merged with the 2?


Merged. From delays ;-)


Thank you sooo much. I've been checking back almost daily since I
found out about this last year.


Thanks for all your support!

Sean

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