Re: Keypad for fingers, not stylus
It might be worth reusing/reimplementing SCIM or other multilingual dictionary system (http://www.jw-stumpel.nl/stestu.html) instead of T9. I have used SCIM with Gnome on Ubuntu Linux to convert pinyin to mandarin. I think SCIM also plays nice with X, and I assume it would not be too difficult to make it convert number-speak to English. So, the hardest part would probably be building the dictionary, and getting the whole thing to build and fit on the phone. AFAIK, there is a Linux Mobile-Phone design house uses SCIM for thier product in China. In fact, I plan to port SCIM to openmoko after openmoko runs OK on my A1200 or I get a Neo. :) And a good news is I remember Sean mentioned in ML that Openmoko development team has an input method expert. ;) Alex Zhang ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Some ideas for the accelerometer
Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... What do you think? kindest regards, Dietz Proepper ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
Hello, this idea could be great, but this option could shut up the phone when you walk,no ? 2007/10/12, Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... What do you think? kindest regards, Dietz Proepper ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
On Friday 12 October 2007, Oliver wrote: I've had similar ideas, but haven't posted them yet. Here's one: Imagine you're surfing the internet, or checking a map, or something like that. We don't have a multi-touch screen, so we can't zoom out with our fingers like iPhone users. Zooming out, though, is something we really should be able to do. So just hold a hardware button and bring the phone closer to your face! The site/image should be shrunk in such a way that you'll think it is stationary behind the phone, and the phone screen is a window through which you can view this image/site! When you've spotted something you want to focus on, somewhere else on the page, don't scroll, just keep holding the button bringing the phone/window down to that place. If you stop holding the button, the image can either stay where it is, or go to it's original zoom-level. Just imagine, if you think of the screen as a window, what incredibly fun games you could develop for the phone! I think a better idea would be to think of the screen as a mirror that you are using to view a much larger page behind you. That way you can intuitively scroll both vertically and horizontally a large page or map by tilting the screen, and without using the touchscreen. (Which can be reserved for other functions). A lot of UI ideas here are coppied from other touch screen devices. That's fine where appropriate, but the Neo 1973 is the only phone with built in accelerometers, and I think we should make use of them where we can. We should not just copy the iPhone or whatever, that only uses it's accelerometer as a tilt sensor to make the display image the right way up. -- David Pottage ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Software roadmap
On Mon Aug 20, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Finally, we are very close to publishing our extensive software roadmap covering plans for adding more exciting software components and detailing areas where you can get involved and help us reach our goal of freeing phones around the world. I haven't been able to locate where this roadmap has been published. I've very interested in finding it, since I'd like to help out somehow. I could just make up an application and start in on it, but would I be competing with an existing effort? For example, the phone needs a photo manager (for the GTA-02), and a dial-by-voice capability. Are these areas open? Thanks, Bill ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel
(given open hardware in community@) anyone willing to testdrive a flash-and-boot http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NetBSD dmesg from real hardware is appreciated --noud ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asking for a talk in Austria
Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello OpenMoko people! I study at the University of Applied Sciences in Hagenberg, Austria (near Linz). I organize events for our LUG, and I would really love to have somebody talk about the OpenMoko project. First off, we have some really interesting studies that relate quite nicely to the topics that are interesting for OpenMoko: * Hardware/Software Systems Engineering * Mobile Computing * Embedded Systems Design * Software Engineering and several others, for a complete list please visit http://www.fh-ooe.at/campus-hagenberg/international.html The conditions would be: * Preferably the speech would be in german, but shouldn't be a big problem if it is in english. * The speaker should have a phone with OpenMoko installed so people can see it in real life * We pay the travelling costs, although the distance should not be too far (about 300 to 400 kilometers is no problem *waving to the direction of Munich*) * I can't guarantee that we can pay anything else, but if you get in contact with me, we can talk about it so I can go begging to the responsible people. I would really love to have such a talk at our university, so please just contact me if you are interested. Greetings from Austria, Wolfgang. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD04m1Iv7pFQO3noRAtAMAKDkR5hbQrMQ7RHjBLy9UdBqxAWUOQCgzUNV FvsUYYPK3+ehKhoJUPU9fVk= =1Txc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Wolfgang, When and where should this speech / LUG meeting take place? I'm personally interested in the Neo1973 and Openmoko so if this really happens please inform me (or send out a notification to the mailing list). Would be great to see one myself and as its in Austria (I'm living near Graz) this is a great opportunity to catch a glimpse of it .. king regards, Georg -- Georg Michelitsch Sonnenstraße 12, 8071 Vasoldsberg Österreich - Austria - Autriche Tel.: +43-664-9417167 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
I've had similar ideas, but haven't posted them yet. Here's one: Imagine you're surfing the internet, or checking a map, or something like that. We don't have a multi-touch screen, so we can't zoom out with our fingers like iPhone users. Zooming out, though, is something we really should be able to do. So just hold a hardware button and bring the phone closer to your face! The site/image should be shrunk in such a way that you'll think it is stationary behind the phone, and the phone screen is a window through which you can view this image/site! When you've spotted something you want to focus on, somewhere else on the page, don't scroll, just keep holding the button bringing the phone/window down to that place. If you stop holding the button, the image can either stay where it is, or go to it's original zoom-level. Just imagine, if you think of the screen as a window, what incredibly fun games you could develop for the phone! /Oliver ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usability team?
Hi Justin Thomas I think the investment made into the UI is extremely important and valuable (well done, Thomas). Shall we put together a usability team so these user centered design efforts continue? I'm a usability expert and would love to get engaged on a mobile device project. We could do personas, interviews, usability tests, etc... Any takers? Carla White - Original Message From: Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Usability team? On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 23:31 -0700, Justin Wong wrote: Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. I'd love to know if and how I can get involved with the OpenMoko project with respect to interface usability and design. Is there a specific team that does this sort of work? Hi Justin, The current (2007.2) GUI was designed at OpenedHand by myself and a few others. I wrote about some of the design decisions here: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ If you have any specific questions though, please let me know. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UK Tel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
I guess it might be not to hard to implement your idea. This is an classical example of e.g. fault detection. Used in the industry to identify strange sensor signals which might indicate a coming fault in the system. The idea is to precisely identify an odd behaviour long before a complete breakdown and to fix it within the normal maintenance intervals. People developed a lot of algorithms to identify this odd signals. I guess they can be used to clearly separate between walking and an intentional acceleration to interact with the phone. We just need an expert in fault detection analysis. :D Greetings Torsten ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asking for a talk in Austria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Georg Michelitsch wrote: Hi Wolfgang, When and where should this speech / LUG meeting take place? I'm personally interested in the Neo1973 and Openmoko so if this really happens please inform me (or send out a notification to the mailing list). Would be great to see one myself and as its in Austria (I'm living near Graz) this is a great opportunity to catch a glimpse of it .. I will be posting the exact information here in the mailing list when I have concrete information. In the meantime you can have a look at http://www.fhlug.at/ (in german) - the dates will be posted there too. Greetings, Wolfgang. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD89V1Iv7pFQO3noRAnTcAKCfB31DxEKtAuslHvNBEUZsh1rzwQCeMhJZ LW9EZ2DF9ak4RtGiYYR7eY4= =xXiV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asking for a talk in Austria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: Hi! I'm already in Austria (Vienna) and have been hacking on Openmoko for a few months now .. I recently gave a talk at MQ for the subotron electric meeting, on the subject of homebrew .. perhaps you could tell me more about what you require? Hi Jay! Actually I would just like to have somebody present the project and tell what it it is about, what the visions/ideas/possibilities are for the future. I think it is basically important to get openmoko into the people's mind. I do neither have enough insight into the project (yet) nor do I have a Neo1973 to hack on. In my opinion an university like ours is the perfect terrain to present a device like this because here tomorrow's developers are educated, and because of the closeness between our subjects and the skills necessary for openmoko development, there will be many overlapping interests. What was the talk at MQ about? Do you have a paper or something that you can send to me, so I can get an idea? Greetings, Wolfgang. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD7s81Iv7pFQO3noRAj4oAKCmUAFVTxmxIBlNd4Orz8oTEH3GNQCgy+ri K27VGF9zpbI3HlwhW14LD68= =aFF0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
Am Freitag 12 Oktober 2007 11:44:52 schrieb Dietz Proepper: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... What do you think? kindest regards, Dietz Proepper Well, this exact idea didn't came up before, but there was a discussion whether an accelerometer could/should be use for input. The summary is: No, due to the fact the accelerations are too un-uniqe. They might happen while walking, or anywhere else... I personally do like this idea, but I think it's too hard to implent... (I'm on a Macbook Pro with motion sensors, and it's nearly impossible to detect whether it's been moved or shaken...) Greetings, Fabian Off ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
On 10/12/07, Fabian Off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag 12 Oktober 2007 11:44:52 schrieb Dietz Proepper: Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... What do you think? kindest regards, Dietz Proepper Well, this exact idea didn't came up before, but there was a discussion whether an accelerometer could/should be use for input. The summary is: No, due to the fact the accelerations are too un-uniqe. They might happen while walking, or anywhere else... I personally do like this idea, but I think it's too hard to implent... (I'm on a Macbook Pro with motion sensors, and it's nearly impossible to detect whether it's been moved or shaken...) Greetings, Fabian Off ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi, Is it sensitive enough to hear an amount of knocks together with frequency of those knocks? For example if it was ringing in your pocket, could you knock it x amount of times to a frequency (like a theme tune)? Regards -- ~ J ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
It should be reasonably easy to tell them apart. Knocking the phone should give a sharp peak acceleration with greater magnitude than you would get from walking. We'll only find out by trying it though ;-) On Friday 12 October 2007, ROULLAND bruno wrote: Hello, this idea could be great, but this option could shut up the phone when you walk,no ? 2007/10/12, Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I'm sure such an idea is on the wiki already, if not add it. I like the accelerometer, so many possibilities. I want to nudge the phone to wake it up. Would need to be configurable since you won't want it waking up when it's in your pocket. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fabian Off wrote: Well, this exact idea didn't came up before, but there was a discussion whether an accelerometer could/should be use for input. The summary is: No, due to the fact the accelerations are too un-uniqe. They might happen while walking, or anywhere else... I personally do like this idea, but I think it's too hard to implent... (I'm on a Macbook Pro with motion sensors, and it's nearly impossible to detect whether it's been moved or shaken...) What is the sampling frequency of the accelerometers? If it is fast enough that you can get the information of moving or shaking, it should not be very difficult to find out wether it has been moved or shaken, given you collect the samples over time and evaluate them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD0lF1Iv7pFQO3noRAvVIAKCsruL6uk3C3tfb4JdVemGh4H8ungCg5Z4F +hVkATHnwQS+qcBhIcH+pbU= =P7oB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some ideas for the accelerometer
ROULLAND bruno: Hello, this idea could be great, but this option could shut up the phone when you walk,no ? Depends I think. A short knock might have a different signature. But difficult to judge without a real device. kindest regards, Dietz Proepper ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Asking for a talk in Austria
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello OpenMoko people! I study at the University of Applied Sciences in Hagenberg, Austria (near Linz). I organize events for our LUG, and I would really love to have somebody talk about the OpenMoko project. First off, we have some really interesting studies that relate quite nicely to the topics that are interesting for OpenMoko: * Hardware/Software Systems Engineering * Mobile Computing * Embedded Systems Design * Software Engineering and several others, for a complete list please visit http://www.fh-ooe.at/campus-hagenberg/international.html The conditions would be: * Preferably the speech would be in german, but shouldn't be a big problem if it is in english. * The speaker should have a phone with OpenMoko installed so people can see it in real life * We pay the travelling costs, although the distance should not be too far (about 300 to 400 kilometers is no problem *waving to the direction of Munich*) * I can't guarantee that we can pay anything else, but if you get in contact with me, we can talk about it so I can go begging to the responsible people. I would really love to have such a talk at our university, so please just contact me if you are interested. Greetings from Austria, Wolfgang. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD04m1Iv7pFQO3noRAtAMAKDkR5hbQrMQ7RHjBLy9UdBqxAWUOQCgzUNV FvsUYYPK3+ehKhoJUPU9fVk= =1Txc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Asking for a talk in Austria
Hi! I'm already in Austria (Vienna) and have been hacking on Openmoko for a few months now .. I recently gave a talk at MQ for the subotron electric meeting, on the subject of homebrew .. perhaps you could tell me more about what you require? j. On Oct 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Wolfgang Silbermayr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello OpenMoko people! I study at the University of Applied Sciences in Hagenberg, Austria (near Linz). I organize events for our LUG, and I would really love to have somebody talk about the OpenMoko project. First off, we have some really interesting studies that relate quite nicely to the topics that are interesting for OpenMoko: * Hardware/Software Systems Engineering * Mobile Computing * Embedded Systems Design * Software Engineering and several others, for a complete list please visit http://www.fh-ooe.at/campus-hagenberg/international.html The conditions would be: * Preferably the speech would be in german, but shouldn't be a big problem if it is in english. * The speaker should have a phone with OpenMoko installed so people can see it in real life * We pay the travelling costs, although the distance should not be too far (about 300 to 400 kilometers is no problem *waving to the direction of Munich*) * I can't guarantee that we can pay anything else, but if you get in contact with me, we can talk about it so I can go begging to the responsible people. I would really love to have such a talk at our university, so please just contact me if you are interested. Greetings from Austria, Wolfgang. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHD04m1Iv7pFQO3noRAtAMAKDkR5hbQrMQ7RHjBLy9UdBqxAWUOQCgzUNV FvsUYYPK3+ehKhoJUPU9fVk= =1Txc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Some ideas for the accelerometer
Kind of like the IBM hard drive accelerometer knock applications (only in linux unfortunately). Check out the link here if you haven't seen it before http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/knock-knock-whos-there.html Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dietz Proepper Sent: Friday, 12 October 2007 5:45 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Some ideas for the accelerometer Hi, first, I'm new to this list, hello. Second, an the reason to subscribe ;-) I've got an idea for using the accelerometer. If it came up before, sorry for the bandwidth. But now, for the real stuff. The following scenario, you carry your phone in some pocket. Now it rings, but you want it to get quiet quickly. What happens? You start digging for your phone, struggle for the get quiet button. Wouldn't it be more comfortable to simply knock at the pocket (and therefore the phone), detect the acceleration of the shock and shut off the bell? I don't have a Neo to try, but if the accelerometer is sensible enough to realize such an event, it should be quite easy to implement I think. If that works, making knocking the phone some kind of input event might be the next logical step... What do you think? kindest regards, Dietz Proepper ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel
dmesg from real hardware is appreciated Hm, in the spirit of adventure, I just flashed your NetBSD kernel on my Neo, like this: uma% ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Desktop/netbsd.boot dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. Then I tried booting it from the serial console. I can't tell whether it went catatonic, or whether it simply is outputting to a console device I don't have attached, but the last output I got was this, which came from the boot loader, not the kernel (this is on the usbmodem console): GTA01Bv4 # boot NAND read: device 0 offset 0x44000, size 0x20 2097152 bytes read: OK ## Booting image at 3200 ... Image Name: Kernel Image Created: 2007-10-09 22:49:50 UTC Image Type: ARM NetBSD Kernel Image (uncompressed) Data Size:2088749 Bytes = 2 MB Load Address: 30008000 Entry Point: 30008110 Verifying Checksum ... OK So basically it just fell flat on its face. I'd be happy to test more kernels, but I don't have any particular suggestions as to what may have gone wrong. One worry I'd have is that in the transition from the boot prom to the kernel, the USB serial device might go away, at which point seeing the console would be problematic. Are you expecting that the console will be visible via the debug board? I have one at home, but I won't have access to it until ~Wednesday. Anything I can do to help, please let me know. I'd love to see NetBSD running on my Neo. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NetBSD/evbarm Neo1973 kernel
in responce to Ted you expecting that the console will be visible via the debug board? after reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Actually using it i'd say there's a possibility ;) i did build a second kernel... NetBSD/evbarm 3.1 NEO1973 kernel 20071012 (com1=console) http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=349action=view http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=914 having the console at com1. the first kernel from 20071010 having console at com0. i'd say give them both a try w/ the debug board connected and minicom to */dev/ttyUSBx* --noud ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
I'm new in this list
hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: application idea -- anti theft system
On 13 Oct 2007, at 00:09, Derek Pressnall wrote: I have an idea for a simple alarm application. The idea is that if you leave your phone sitting at your desk plugged in charging, then you can activate an app that will play an alrarm sound as soon as the devices is unplugged (with a popup keypad to enter a disarm code). A variant would use the gps to determine if the phone has moved more than a few feet from where you left it. All these ideas and more are on the wiki. You're not alone in thinking of the posibilities. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Usability team?
I could also be interested in this. I'm finishing up a master's degree in Information Science with a focus in Information Architecture and HCI, so I have a lot of interest in OpenMoko usability. Jeremy On 10/12/07, london cowgirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Justin Thomas I think the investment made into the UI is extremely important and valuable (well done, Thomas). Shall we put together a usability team so these user centered design efforts continue? I'm a usability expert and would love to get engaged on a mobile device project. We could do personas, interviews, usability tests, etc... Any takers? Carla White - Original Message From: Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:38:46 AM Subject: Re: Usability team? On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 23:31 -0700, Justin Wong wrote: Hello! I've been really interested in interface usability and design since I've been taking this HCI course at my university. I've been interested in and following OpenMoko development a little. I'd love to know if and how I can get involved with the OpenMoko project with respect to interface usability and design. Is there a specific team that does this sort of work? Hi Justin, The current (2007.2) GUI was designed at OpenedHand by myself and a few others. I wrote about some of the design decisions here: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ If you have any specific questions though, please let me know. Regards, Thomas -- OpenedHand Ltd. Unit R Homesdale Business Center / 216-218 Homesdale Road / Bromley / BR1 2QZ / UKTel: +44 (0)20 8819 6559 Expert Open Source For Consumer Devices - http://o-hand.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
application idea -- anti theft system
I have an idea for a simple alarm application. The idea is that if you leave your phone sitting at your desk plugged in charging, then you can activate an app that will play an alrarm sound as soon as the devices is unplugged (with a popup keypad to enter a disarm code). A variant would use the gps to determine if the phone has moved more than a few feet from where you left it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
Yes, of course. this is a release candidate. is possible to assume that the hardware will not change? If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware. I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right? P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to play with this phone. I do not regret the prospect of being able to use operationally... by leo The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More press -- Wired refs open phones for weary iPhone hackers
It's pretty fluffy, but it has nice pictures: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_linux_phones Nice to see that some are talking about why the iPhone isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, at least. Maybe someone will even say that applications matter for a phone that's not just a phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
R: I'm new in this list
The only problem is. If the gta02 coming out in October 07 is not a good idea buy gta01 now . Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Ryan Prior Inviato: sabato 13 ottobre 2007 2.06 A: List for OpenMoko community discussion Oggetto: Re: I'm new in this list The hardware for the GTA01 will not change, but a GTA02 phone with upgraded hardware is scheduled for release some time next year (NB: I am not connected to FIC, everything I say is just hearsay) and is supposed to include WiFi, accelerometers, and better performance from the RAM and processor. If you just want a hackable phone with no WiFi, the GTA01 ought to suit you fine. It already has a lot of functionality and we look forward to having you join the fray. :-) On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, of course. this is a release candidate. is possible to assume that the hardware will not change? If so is not a problem to upgrade firmware. I suppose, however, that the same is not true for wifi support, right? P.s. I am a developer, I do not want to make phone calls, I want to play with this phone. I do not regret the prospect of being able to use operationally... by leo The phone still can't be relied on to make calls. At this point, if you're looking for a phone that you can call with in an emergency or can rely on for business use, OpenMoko is not ready. What is ready is the software stack that will let you hack on the different components and get things working better. Usually the process of getting things to work better involves breaking those things at some level, so if you do decide to jump into development, you've got have a backup phone to make those important calls. Hope this info is helpful. -Ryan On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I'm new in this list. I have a question. Is possible to make a call with neo1793? they where an article on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview i read what you CAN NOT expect yet #reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI #reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI #integrated GPRS data access but the page was written on July 07... tnk by leo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: R: I'm new in this list
surprise! It's october 07 right now and the GTA02 is nowhere on the horizon. Again, I am not connected to FIC, but it seems apparent to me that we won't see GTA02s ship within the next 6 months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02 -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation). Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit. On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I'm new in this list
Not quite true that you can't make calls! Many have been making calls and messaging. Just not all that easy (e.g., using ssh/command line interfaces). However, I have been using the Neo as my main phone for making and receiving phone calls and messaging for a couple of weeks now using the Qtopia image (http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php). It is quite reliable and it does demonstrate that the hardware (at least this part of it) does work! But the future is OpenMoko and it is slowly getting there. Regards, Graham Received Sat 13 Oct 2007 12:09pm +1000 from Ryan Prior: The fact is that the first version was put out early so that hardware hackers and developers could get their hands on the phone in advance. The hardware is simply not ready for consumers, but hopefully with the help of all the people who have bought the hardware and are hacking on it we will have a good product when GTA02 is launched. GTA02 will use the same software, and the things that benefit the GTA01 will carry over to the GTA02 -- the difference is that the GTA02 will have better hardware, allowing it to be more useful and competitive in the marketplace. More hardware options is a good thing, and the software will improve -- so buy a phone now and get hacking, start writing software on your own computer and wait to buy hardware, or just sit it out and wait for the consumer-ready product to come out (in about a year, by my relatively uneducated estimation). Hope that clears up the current state of things a bit. On 10/12/07, Doug Sutherland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not purchased a Neo yet but I bid on one and ebay and lost. Just wanted to say, I hope that the focus on making calls is top on the priority list. It seems a bit bizarre that there is another version in the works when you can't make calls on the first. It would make more sense to get the basics of calling working on version one before even talking about WIFI and accelerometers. A phone that cannot make calls: not a phone! -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update
Hello everyone, I have some updates for you, and a question. First the updates: The GTA01 units that were shipped in the past two weeks have satisfied the back orders for GTA01. There continues to be demand for GTA01 so we are building some more. GTA02 Wifi hardware has been working for about a week, so work can proceed on the driver, which is currently in a pretty minimal state. We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus have made the decision to use this chip. GTA02v3, the third revision of GTA02, is still being verified and tested. This will take another couple of weeks, at which point we'll make GTA02v4. Now the question: We want to make it easier for developers to work with OpenMoko. We realize that many of our resources (e.g. wiki, website, development tools) are decidedly not user friendly at the moment and that other resources (e.g. documentation) are missing. I'm going to start putting a lot more energy into this, and I'd like to hear your thoughts in general and in particular what should be tackled first. You may reply either to the list or to me personally, as you wish. Sincerely, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
