Need a Cellphone now...
Hi list! I wonder if it's possible to run Openmoko on other handhelds than the Neo/Freerunner. Actually I need a new phone ASAP. As I already mentioned I don't need the complete functionality immediately. Making and receiving calls would be enough... I already searched the web for some kind of phone-comparer, but the only one I found did not offer the filters I need. Does anyone of you know a phone with the following specs? The Freerunner covers them all, but is still not available. If there's any smartphone covering the specs below, and we could run Openmoko on it, please let me know! Must have: - Wireless Lan - GPRS/EDGE/UMTS - Bluetooth - GPS - USB with host-mode - High Quality Stereo Soundcard - High Resolution Touchscreen - Less or no Buttons - Fast CPU - Not too less memory - Extensionslot for SD/microSD or whatever Nice to have: - Acceleration-sensor - DVB-T Receiver - Multitouch - Camera - 2 Sim slots I'm not sure if I missed something... Thank you! Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds
A while back, Hans Loeblich asked how many GTA01s were made, and how quickly they sold. Here is the answer from Steve Mosher, our VP of marketing: We wanted to limit distribution to serious development engineers. The total build over the life of the product was less than 5000. By any measure that's a large engineering staff. We sold to serious developers. We sold out everything in 3 days. And then we suffered and had to wait until production caught up with demand. Production never did match demand, and even today with Freerunner around the corner we have people ordering Neo1973 and we are sold out. So, if you own a Neo1973 you can count yourself as a early early adopter. You own a piece of history. Freerunner, is a piece of the future. Michael Original Message Subject: Re: A bit of fun - freerunner and the wisdom of crowds Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:11:30 -0600 From: Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how many GTA01 devices were produced? As far as I know all the ones they produced were sold. I wonder how long it took before they had enough orders to sell all the devices(I understand there were some production/distribution delays even after orders were taken). If anyone knows this info, I think it might help get a ballpark idea of the amount of interest. -Hans Loeblich On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A scatter plot would be cool with some more sales to a given month period that could be guessed. At least additional guesses for sales in first 6 and 12 months would be interesting. Tim Kersten wrote: The site is up. It's mostly untested. See it here: http://openmoko.hobby-site.com/ It has the features that were mentioned in the original opening email of this thread. It's not possible to edit entries at the moment, but I can add this if it's needed. I figured it doesn't need any authentication. Do you think a captcha is necessary? Feedback is of course appreciated. I can't make any promises about finding time to make improvements to it though, as I'm fairly busy with college. If I find/have time I'll gladly do it :-) Cheers, --tim On Sat, Feb 9, 2008 at 5:13 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Kersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As there doesn't seem to be any takers, I'll offer to give it a shot.--tim nice one tim! JW ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko on the Navigo GPS?
My previous fun and games have proven to me that the FreeRunner is going to be the ultimate GPS device: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013855.html But I couldn't help think about the possibilities of running OpenMoko on something as cheap as this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131342# No, the specs aren't a fully featured as the FreeRunner, but it's got a 400mhz CPU and a large (-ish) screen. And at £50 it can happily sit in my car, especially if it's going to give me OpenStreetMap images to drive along to. I'm sure someone will have a better idea about this than me; would it be possible to ditch the Windows CE from it and replace it with OpenMoko? Cheers, Joseph ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko on the Navigo GPS?
The idea of porting Linux and whatever GUI on top of it to non-Linux devices is as old as Linux for non-x86, i.e. around 10 and more years. And it is every time the same problem: No hardware specs of the device (i.e. schematics and chip documentation) it is either impossible or tremendously hard to do a full featured port. I worked on some of those several times and every time you are almost done the device goes out of production. This is frustrating and basically you are doing the job of the manufacturer. In fact you even donate them your hard work for free - the job they normally would have had to pay some engineers for is then done for free and they can sell even more devices without any investment. This is not my idea of working or supporting open source software. So I stopped working on such projects. If a manufacturer wants Linux for their devices they should at least actively support the effort - if not even paying engineers to do it. I will no longer do it for them for free without any specs. My 0.05€ ;) Cheers nils Joseph Reeves schrieb: My previous fun and games have proven to me that the FreeRunner is going to be the ultimate GPS device: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013855.html But I couldn't help think about the possibilities of running OpenMoko on something as cheap as this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131342# No, the specs aren't a fully featured as the FreeRunner, but it's got a 400mhz CPU and a large (-ish) screen. And at £50 it can happily sit in my car, especially if it's going to give me OpenStreetMap images to drive along to. I'm sure someone will have a better idea about this than me; would it be possible to ditch the Windows CE from it and replace it with OpenMoko? Cheers, Joseph -- kernel concepts GbRTel: +49-271-771091-12 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48Fax: +49-271-771091-19 D-57072 Siegen Mob: +49-176-21024535 -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a Cellphone now...
You probably don't want to hear it, but no chance to get a phone that supports your Must have + OpenMoko. As Freerunner doesn't have EDGE or UMTS there imho won't be a chance to get such a phone in 2008. On 3/10/08, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list! I wonder if it's possible to run Openmoko on other handhelds than the Neo/Freerunner. Actually I need a new phone ASAP. As I already mentioned I don't need the complete functionality immediately. Making and receiving calls would be enough... I already searched the web for some kind of phone-comparer, but the only one I found did not offer the filters I need. Does anyone of you know a phone with the following specs? The Freerunner covers them all, but is still not available. If there's any smartphone covering the specs below, and we could run Openmoko on it, please let me know! Must have: - Wireless Lan - GPRS/EDGE/UMTS - Bluetooth - GPS - USB with host-mode - High Quality Stereo Soundcard - High Resolution Touchscreen - Less or no Buttons - Fast CPU - Not too less memory - Extensionslot for SD/microSD or whatever Nice to have: - Acceleration-sensor - DVB-T Receiver - Multitouch - Camera - 2 Sim slots I'm not sure if I missed something... Thank you! Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a Cellphone now...
Why not get a bottom-of-the-line phone from T-Mobile or some other GSM carrier? It will have the making and receiving calls feature and then you can use the sim in the freerunner when it is available in a month or two. Daniel Spies wrote: Hi list! I wonder if it's possible to run Openmoko on other handhelds than the Neo/Freerunner. Actually I need a new phone ASAP. As I already mentioned I don't need the complete functionality immediately. Making and receiving calls would be enough... I already searched the web for some kind of phone-comparer, but the only one I found did not offer the filters I need. Does anyone of you know a phone with the following specs? The Freerunner covers them all, but is still not available. If there's any smartphone covering the specs below, and we could run Openmoko on it, please let me know! Must have: - Wireless Lan - GPRS/EDGE/UMTS - Bluetooth - GPS - USB with host-mode - High Quality Stereo Soundcard - High Resolution Touchscreen - Less or no Buttons - Fast CPU - Not too less memory - Extensionslot for SD/microSD or whatever Nice to have: - Acceleration-sensor - DVB-T Receiver - Multitouch - Camera - 2 Sim slots I'm not sure if I missed something... Thank you! Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a Cellphone now...
you can use the sim in the freerunner when it is available in a month or two. Is that really the case? I've not read anything about even an estimated timeline, and I am to the point where I am considering unsubscribing from the mailing list because there is no real information being written about. I don't mind that, and I enjoy the conversation, but it fills my email box with distractions while I work :) What is the current planned timeline, does anyone know? Will the hardware and software be considered final enough for an enduser without needing to flash the unit, etc, at that point? The wiki seems unnavigable in this regard -- where does one find a timeline, even a rough one? I believe that, like any good Free Software (and hardware!) project, it is done when its done, but some sort of checklist even would be nice to see. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo1973 on eBay
Starting bid is $200. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120232014254 I'm including a 2GB microSD card instead of the 512MB that shipped with the phone, and also including a USB cable (I hate when cables aren't included!) More photos at http://iandouglas.com/neo1973/ Now that I'm commuting 3-4 hours to my job, I simply lack the time to continue development, so might as well let someone have it that can use it. Does NOT come with my pre-paid T-Mobile card though, I don't know the legalities of selling the card. Michael Shiloh has personally seen my phone (upgraded the modem firmware), and dozens of people saw it and used it at SCALE 6x a few weeks back, so it's in great operating condition. -id ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Go Phone without the phone
You can buy a Go Phone SIM card ($25, I think) at any ATT store operated by corporate (resellers are generally useless in anything out of the norm.) On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Ajit Natarajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Is there a way to subscribe to ATT Go Phone in the U.S. without purchasing one of their phones? Their web site at http://gophone.com offers a three step process. The second step requires selecting one of their phones. If I purchase a Neo, how would I opt for a Go Phone deal? Thanks. Ajit ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Hello. In my opinion, there are some highly usable project proposals in wish list, that could be done by student (like me, heh-heh-heh...) during summer. First things first: platform should provide more than one GUI binding solutions. In my opinion binding framework porting priority is (decreasing): 1) qt 2) wx 3) sdl (Since Maemo/Cocoa bindins are not widely used in current world, I think that these bindings are in would-be-nice-to-have[when-we'll-have-free-time] class) In my opinion, GUI bindings are great projects for GSoc, since they are useful and easy to create (at least it looks so, since Openmoko has standard GTK base, that by these frameworks already can use on the PC). Also, C++ bindings are must-have (but I have no clue about how mush work it will be to implement them) Python binding is good-to-have thing, since Python language is great for prototyping (but I don't think that it would be great idea to write real application on Openmoko due to embedded platform limitations). Also, platform *must* include high-level bindings for standard phone functionality, like sending SMS to the given number (with given text, of course), making a call, cancelling call, getting GPS coordinates, sending visit card using bluetooth, bt device pairing, connecting to bt device... it's quite easy to build such list. But some has to implement it all. (IMHO, all tese API functions should be accessible via dbus). As my device driver programming experience shows, it is quite possible to accomplish such thing during summer (not all at once, of course. Someone should be playing with bt, someone with gsm module... But I assume that you are much more aware of all these organization issues than me. Btw, please, please, release freerunner! In March! Can't hold... much longer ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?
I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it will just run dry very fast). Anyone know if you can? Ivo On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey My neo can run in host mode at the same time it's charging, using a Y cable or a hardware hack (*). Can this still be done with freerunner? It will provide power to a usb slave so it may not be prepared to get juice in at the same time. * eg http://chockerblockablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/neo1973-no-wifi3gbattery-life-no.html -- Brad ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a Cellphone now...
On 10/03/2008, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am to the point where I am considering unsubscribing from the mailing list because there is no real information being written about. Jeffrey I suggest you unsubscribe from the community mail list and subscribe instead to the announce mail list - much less volume :-) What is the current planned timeline, does anyone know? Yes, everybody knows.except you.Seriously, the policy of OpenMoko is well known and previously stated - with open source you get a great phone and develop the virtue of patience :-) copy of 28th Feb email from michael shiloh is below. see also the link below scroll down to gta02v6 for more clues http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware JW _ Hello, A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official word from our VP of Marketing: Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements: 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open. 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that. 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we will open the web store and begin taking orders. We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary. As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs will occur before the official production run, so that when we make announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets. Regards, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it will just run dry very fast). Anyone know if you can? Yes, it won't charge that fast, but it will fully power itself from the USB connection AND charge the battery... it means 200-300mA gets to the battery. You get the best charging performance from the external charger which I am pretty sure is part of the package that can provide 1A of which ~700mA goes to the battery. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH1Yd9OjLpvpq7dMoRAiQsAJwM1/WKXtsg29J4j4q7O1QTJMVuvQCeNOik g9/KalobCdpaQtgu9evpdZY= =RzSZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner: charging and usb-host mutually exclusive?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Somebody in the thread at some point said: I think this is a very good observation. If you want to connect a neo to some usb device(s) for long periods of time it would be very important to be able to charge it (otherwise it will just run dry very fast). Anyone know if you can? Yes, it won't charge that fast, but it will fully power itself from the USB connection AND charge the battery... it means 200-300mA gets to the battery. You get the best charging performance from the external charger which I am pretty sure is part of the package that can provide 1A of which ~700mA goes to the battery. Wah... totally got the wrong end of the stick :-/ You're asking about host mode. Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if we provide 5V externally too, probably it will be okay but it needs testing. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH1YgOOjLpvpq7dMoRAuTnAKCMnVo/iDbfV+AEqVvxqXmU1yVmrwCeLxbO 3TVel+njdhpHkAjCTXwQpjk= =EBxK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qwerty keyboard concept
Hi! I was thinking much about a qwerty keyboard that can be easily used on the small touch screen of OpenMoko with just your fingers. After some thinking I have come up with an idea. To proove my concept I have also implemented it. The implementation is Java+SWT so you will have to install Jalimo in order to make it work on your phone. You should run it landscape. It can be executed on your desktop too. You can find the idea, code, binary, screenshot and howto here: http://www.yamamap.org/keyboard.html It is just a proof of concept and I have coded it with a severe hangover... Please don't criticise the code itself :-). I would be happy if you try it and comment whether you find it usable or not. I have tried it on my PDA even with reduced size (approx the same size as OpenMoko's screen is) and it is quite usable finger only. Best regards Schmidt András ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qwerty keyboard concept
Sorry to burst your bubble but the Qtopia release has this already, I haven't executed the program but it seems to be the same as qtopia's behaviour where you hold your finger on an area of the keyboard and a little circle comes up with an enlarged view of the keyboard so you can precisley select the letter you want. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qwerty keyboard concept
My bubble is off :-(. Yes it is the same. So Qtopia has it. It would be nice on OpenMoko too. andy selby wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble but the Qtopia release has this already, I haven't executed the program but it seems to be the same as qtopia's behaviour where you hold your finger on an area of the keyboard and a little circle comes up with an enlarged view of the keyboard so you can precisley select the letter you want. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
Hello, As most of you know, there was a bug in earlier GSM firmware on Neo 1973 which prevented certain ATT 3G SIM cards from working in the Neo 1973. As most of you know, the upgraded GSM firmware that fixed this problem could only be installed by an employee of Openmoko. I peformed this upgrade for perhaps a couple dozen of you. After I upgraded the firmware on your phones I tested them with my personal ATT SIM card, and they always worked fine. Starting a few months ago my ATT SIM card no longer works in upgraded Neos. We're trying to get to the bottom of this. Meanwhile, a useful point of information would be your experience: For those of you for whom I performed the GSM firmware upgrade, did the Neo 1973 work properly with your ATT SIM card after the upgrade? Most of you wrote me when you received the phones to indicate that it did. Does it continue to do so? If not, when did this start happening? What are the symptoms? For the larger community, do any of you have insight into cellphone tower technology? Has ATT performed an update in the past few months? Is it possible that ATT has modified its policy towards unlocked phones? These are all extreme notions - it is far more likely that something trivial and local has occurred. Perhaps I've forgotten to do something (although I've reviewed my steps in excrutiating detail with the folks back home) during the upgrade process. But since I'm completely out of ideas, I'm reaching to the less plausible. Any ideas welcome, including crackpot ideas. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, when you have removed the possibility of all other causes, the one remaining explanation, no matter how implausible, must be the one. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qwerty keyboard concept
I think it's cool anyways. Since the code is pretty small it can be used as an example. Also, since OM doesn't use qtopia as default, it would be nice if we had a gtk version of qtopia's keyboard (if integration is not possible). Ivo On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Schmidt András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bubble is off :-(. Yes it is the same. So Qtopia has it. It would be nice on OpenMoko too. andy selby wrote: Sorry to burst your bubble but the Qtopia release has this already, I haven't executed the program but it seems to be the same as qtopia's behaviour where you hold your finger on an area of the keyboard and a little circle comes up with an enlarged view of the keyboard so you can precisley select the letter you want. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
Hey Michael, I use ATT as my service (since they bought out Cingular). I had an Cingular SIM (63689 G 4004) that wouldn't work. You upgraded my GSM firmware and it worked fine afterwards. (Thanks!) It still works now. Thanks, Bobby aka wurp2 Subject: Hello, As most of you know, there was a bug in earlier GSM firmware on Neo 1973 which prevented certain ATT 3G SIM cards from working in the Neo 1973. As most of you know, the upgraded GSM firmware that fixed this problem could only be installed by an employee of Openmoko. I peformed this upgrade for perhaps a couple dozen of you. After I upgraded the firmware on your phones I tested them with my personal ATT SIM card, and they always worked fine. Starting a few months ago my ATT SIM card no longer works in upgraded Neos. We're trying to get to the bottom of this. Meanwhile, a useful point of information would be your experience: For those of you for whom I performed the GSM firmware upgrade, did the Neo 1973 work properly with your ATT SIM card after the upgrade? Most of you wrote me when you received the phones to indicate that it did. Does it continue to do so? If not, when did this start happening? What are the symptoms? For the larger community, do any of you have insight into cellphone tower technology? Has ATT performed an update in the past few months? Is it possible that ATT has modified its policy towards unlocked phones? These are all extreme notions - it is far more likely that something trivial and local has occurred. Perhaps I've forgotten to do something (although I've reviewed my steps in excrutiating detail with the folks back home) during the upgrade process. But since I'm completely out of ideas, I'm reaching to the less plausible. Any ideas welcome, including crackpot ideas. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, when you have removed the possibility of all other causes, the one remaining explanation, no matter how implausible, must be the one. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
Weird. I suppose this same SIM works in other phones (non neos)? Do you have another ATT sim to try? Does the SIM keep track of what phones it is inserted into? And if so, perhaps it's memory is full? I have not read the GSM spec in great detail, but perhaps it is plausible :) Maybe you sim is worn out! heh :) We have not spent a great deal of time using the neos you upgraded for us. The last time we used the 3G sim cards they worked fine. There will be some heavier testing of them shortly. Perhaps I will start tomorrow given this new info! Jae ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
Am Di 11. März 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Jae Stutzman wrote: Weird. I suppose this same SIM works in other phones (non neos)? Yes; it works perfectly in the ATT provided Nokia. You activated hardware-password on the GSM-module? I never heard of SIM-cards remembering the phones they're in, but phones locked down to a specific SIM by user-managed hw-protection is quite common. No, i don't mean a provider side simlock, i mean the feature of e.g. nokia phones, asking you please enter your hw-protection password whenever you change SIM-card. I don't know how this is handled with the GSM-module, guess there's a AT command... Or you're on the locked IMEI (serial nr of your phone) list of your provider? *You* should be able to test this, by flashing a different IMEI (of a Nokia?) to your GSM-module. Or ask ATT, tell them you bought a used cellphone with IMEI x, and you wonder whether this is a phone that's registered stolen at them. gsm: show IMEI = *#06#, dunno how to do this via AT cmd set. ATD*#06# ? cheers jOERG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need a Cellphone now...
Jeffrey Thomas wrote: [...] and I am to the point where I am considering unsubscribing from the mailing list because there is no real information being written about. I don't mind that, and I enjoy the conversation, but it fills my email box with distractions while I work :) I find it easier to read the lists through the gmane.org gateway, e.g. nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Question for those of you for whom I've done a GSM firmware upgrade
If it helps any, using the March 4th daily build, my Neo registers just fine on both my TMobile and ATT SIM's and both receive SMS messages and can place phone calls. Mind you, I can connect to TMobile from within my apartment to make/receive a phone call and receive SMS messages. Inserting my ATT SIM, I connected enough to download SMS messages, but to make a phone call I had to go outside where I have better ATT reception. Must be the layout of the building where I live. -id Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello, As most of you know, there was a bug in earlier GSM firmware on Neo 1973 which prevented certain ATT 3G SIM cards from working in the Neo 1973. As most of you know, the upgraded GSM firmware that fixed this problem could only be installed by an employee of Openmoko. I peformed this upgrade for perhaps a couple dozen of you. After I upgraded the firmware on your phones I tested them with my personal ATT SIM card, and they always worked fine. Starting a few months ago my ATT SIM card no longer works in upgraded Neos. We're trying to get to the bottom of this. Meanwhile, a useful point of information would be your experience: For those of you for whom I performed the GSM firmware upgrade, did the Neo 1973 work properly with your ATT SIM card after the upgrade? Most of you wrote me when you received the phones to indicate that it did. Does it continue to do so? If not, when did this start happening? What are the symptoms? For the larger community, do any of you have insight into cellphone tower technology? Has ATT performed an update in the past few months? Is it possible that ATT has modified its policy towards unlocked phones? These are all extreme notions - it is far more likely that something trivial and local has occurred. Perhaps I've forgotten to do something (although I've reviewed my steps in excrutiating detail with the folks back home) during the upgrade process. But since I'm completely out of ideas, I'm reaching to the less plausible. Any ideas welcome, including crackpot ideas. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, when you have removed the possibility of all other causes, the one remaining explanation, no matter how implausible, must be the one. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
